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Chikiya

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:41 pm


Sprache des Monats: Deutsch!


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Intro
Well it's been suggested that I teach, so I hope it's okay that I start up the lesson thread here.
I will start with all the basic things and post a lesson every few days. Everyone who is learning can ask questions here, and anyone else who wants to help with teaching and answering questions can do so!
If anybody spots any mistakes, please point them out, so I know what I'm doing wrong and that way I can teach better right?

Contents:
Lesson 1: Pronunciation.... page 1
Greetings and Useful Phrases.... page 1
Lesson 2: Nouns.... page 2
Lesson 3: Adjectives.... page 3
Lesson 4: Plurals.... page 4

I've made a contents page so that as I add more lessons, everyone will be able to find what they want to learn, quickly!

I hope everyone has fun learning and that I don't bore you all too much! Let's go!
PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:02 pm


1: Pronunciation


To start off with I'm going to go over pronunciation, because if you don't know how the words sound, you won't get anywhere with your language.

The German alphabet has all the same letters as in the English alphabet. There is also the additional 'β' and the vowels with umlauts, which are 'ä' and 'ü' and 'ö'.

Vowel Sounds, Including Umlauts!

a This is pronounced like in English, in the words 'bat' and 'apple'. When lengthened, the sound becomes longer, so it becomes more like 'aa'.

e Sounds like in the English words 'get' and 'rent'. When 'e' is placed on the end of a word, you must pronounce it! eg. Lampe (lamp) is pronounced lamp-e. When lengthened, it sounds more like the sound you get in the English word 'ear' and 'here'.

i In most words, i sounds like the i in 'gift' or 'fit'. When it is lengthened or placed at the end of a word, it sounds like ee. (Keep, meet etc.)

o When lengthened, it is pronounced like in 'or' and 'sport'. In front of a double consonant, and in some other words it is shortened and pronounced more like in 'got' or 'modern'.

u Sounds like in 'but' or 'under'. When it is lengthened it sounds a bit like oo when it's used in the word 'cool' (Not like it the word 'kangaroo'!)

ä Sounds like the 'e' in the English words 'lend' and 'pen'. When lengthened, it sounds like the ai in the words 'air' and 'pair'.

ö When lengthened, it sounds like 'er' or 'uh' like in the words 'mother' or 'first.' Shortened, it is the same but shorter, obviously.

ü Pronounced like oo, like in the words 'cube' and 'mood'.

Note For those who don't have umlauts on their keyboards, umlauts are written like so:
ae = ä
oe = ö
ue = ü

au Pronounced like ow, (aa-u) making the 'a' part of it sound like you are going to say 'aaarr' but then put in the 'u' before you make it sound like you have a splinter in your 'Auge' (eye).

ai/ei Both pronounced like a-ee, like the word 'eye'.

äu/eu Both are pronounced like oi (Like toy) - but make sure you make the o sound in oi sound short like the o in 'got'.

Consonants!

I'm not going to list the consonants that are pronounced the same as in English here, so if it's not on the list it's pronounced exactly the same!

b Is only pronounced differently when it's the last letter of a word. Then it is pronounced like a p. eg. the word Gelb (yellow) is pronounced Gelp.

c Can be pronounced in many ways! The website I've linked to at the bottom of this post explains it a little more clearly. I would advise taking a look at it.

Depending on the word, it can be pronounced either ts, k, sh, or the other way, which I am about to explain next.

ch For those of you taking Japanese, this may be easier to understand. It is like the sound at the beginning of 'hya'. Most of the time itt's made at the front of your mouth (Following an umlaut or i or i) If it follows o or a or u it usually is made at the back of the mouth.

d Is pronounced the same, except when placed at the end of a word, when it's pronouced 't'. eg. Und (and) is pronounced unt.

g Is pronounced the same most of the time, but sometimes can be pronounced like a k.

j Is pronounced like a y is in English.

q Must be combined with the letter u like in English, and is then pronounced 'kv'

r The r sound in German is made with the back of your throat. It's a bit like gargling, as the website explains, but maybe not so dramatic! It's pretty hard to explain and I hear many people have trouble with it, so the best way of learning the r is to practice it.

s Depending on which consonant you combine it with, s has many pronunciations. On its own, it is pronounced either like an s in English, or like a z. At the beginning of a word it's usually like a z.

st Pronounced 'sht', not like the English st used in 'street' or 'stick'.

sp Pronounced 'shp', not like the English 'spam' or 'spike'.

ss The same as just a single s in English like in 'bass'.

sch Pronounced like 'sh', not like the sch in 'school'.

dsch Like the English j.

tsch Like the English ch.

t Only pronounced differently when used in a word ending in -tion eg. Portion. Then it is pronounced ts, so Portion would be por-tsion.

v Like the English f.

w Like the English v.

y Not a common letter in German, but usually pronounced like the ü.

z Pronounced like ts. eg. Zahl (number) would be tsaal.

ß It is like an English s. It never comes at the beginning of a word.

I have found a website, much of which I have used help from in this section, that goes over all the sounds in German with sound files, so if you haven't understood something, or want to check something you've read, then you will find this useful. Follow this link!

Hawk_McKrakken
Also, this pronunciation guide might be better for those who don't have realmedia player (or whatever .rm files stand for):

http://www.ex.ac.uk/german/abinitio/pronounce/

(If it tries to open in Quicktime and you don't have it, you can right-click the button and select "Save Target As" to play it in Winamp or Windows Media Player)

To me it just seems a lot more organized than the other link, but that's me..


I realise this is a massive list of pronunciation, not all of it you will need. Don't try to learn all of these in one go, just pick them up as you go along. If you plan on sticking with German, they'll become no problem afater you have a feel for the language!

The best way of learning pronunciations is to practise speaking them, and to listen to German speakers say them (I'm sure there will be many German videos on YouTube. You don't even have to be interested in what they're about, just listen to the sounds they make if they're speaking clearly enough!)

I promise next time I post a lesson it will not be so long and tedious, but the pronunciations are an important part of learning a language, and it's best to learn them at the beginning before you remember things incorrectly!

Viel Erfolg! (Much success!)

Chikiya


Vajrabhairava

PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:16 pm


I'm a bit confused aout what you say about the "a" sound. In my dialect of english at least, the "a" sound of "father" and "apple" are different. Is there any other way you could explain it?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:05 am


Vajrabhairava
I'm a bit confused aout what you say about the "a" sound. In my dialect of english at least, the "a" sound of "father" and "apple" are different. Is there any other way you could explain it?
Oh okay, I will think about that, and make an edit! Thanks

Chikiya


Chikiya

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:08 am


Chikiya
Vajrabhairava
I'm a bit confused aout what you say about the "a" sound. In my dialect of english at least, the "a" sound of "father" and "apple" are different. Is there any other way you could explain it?
Oh okay, I will think about that, and make an edit! Thanks

I've changed it to 'bat' and 'apple' now, is that any better? Father and apple do sound a little different, so bat and apple are closer.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:54 am


I thought that g's were pronounced sort've like the ch sound in German when it's on the end of a word.
[Ex. windig, wolkig, etc.]

And d's are pronounced like t's?
I never knew that! =D
My German teacher is wrong.

Poshlust


lili of the lamplight

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:09 am


Everyone pronounces things slightly differently. My German teacher pronounces 'ch' (IE: ich, mich) like 'sh' is pronounced in English. I've also heard it shoved further back into the mouth, where the hard and soft palates meet.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:48 pm


lili of the lamplight
Everyone pronounces things slightly differently. My German teacher pronounces 'ch' (IE: ich, mich) like 'sh' is pronounced in English. I've also heard it shoved further back into the mouth, where the hard and soft palates meet.
Those sound quite strange to me. I'm just teaching it the way I'm used to speaking and hearing it!

Chikiya


Chikiya

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:50 pm


Hi-No-Ko
I thought that g's were pronounced sort've like the ch sound in German when it's on the end of a word.
[Ex. windig, wolkig, etc.]

And d's are pronounced like t's?
I never knew that! =D
My German teacher is wrong.
Indeed, that is right! I will add that to the pronunciations list right away, so people who don't know can learn so! biggrin
Plus, I'm really glad you've learnt something from me, it's very encouraging! heart
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:26 pm


German pronunciation is confusing ^^; I'm working through the list; thanks for teaching!

Sachi_x


Shizzle Bam Boom-

PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:11 pm


Hi-No-Ko
I thought that g's were pronounced sort've like the ch sound in German when it's on the end of a word.
[Ex. windig, wolkig, etc.]

And d's are pronounced like t's?
I never knew that! =D
My German teacher is wrong.


Thats Dutch, unless there is a part of Germany that speaks like them that I don't know about. To my knowledge the "g" at the end of words in German sound like "k"s except for the numbers, which I've only heard sound like "sh" in english.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:14 pm


The way I learned it, the long E was pronounced as the English long A... like lesen is pronounced 'lay-zen' and not 'lee-zen', verstehen 'fair-shtay-en' and not 'fair-shtee-en'.

It also gave the impression that e and ä make the same sound...

Also, this pronunciation guide might be better for those who don't have realmedia player (or whatever .rm files stand for):

http://www.ex.ac.uk/german/abinitio/pronounce/

(If it tries to open in Quicktime and you don't have it, you can right-click the button and select "Save Target As" to play it in Winamp or Windows Media Player)

To me it just seems a lot more organized than the other link, but that's me..

Hawk_McKrakken


Chikiya

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:01 am


RikuDrak
Hi-No-Ko
I thought that g's were pronounced sort've like the ch sound in German when it's on the end of a word.
[Ex. windig, wolkig, etc.]

And d's are pronounced like t's?
I never knew that! =D
My German teacher is wrong.


Thats Dutch, unless there is a part of Germany that speaks like them that I don't know about. To my knowledge the "g" at the end of words in German sound like "k"s except for the numbers, which I've only heard sound like "sh" in english.
I think it must depend on the dialect or something, because the way I hear it, I'm sure it can be either.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:08 am


Hawk_McKrakken
The way I learned it, the long E was pronounced as the English long A... like lesen is pronounced 'lay-zen' and not 'lee-zen', verstehen 'fair-shtay-en' and not 'fair-shtee-en'.

It also gave the impression that e and ä make the same sound...

Also, this pronunciation guide might be better for those who don't have realmedia player (or whatever .rm files stand for):

http://www.ex.ac.uk/german/abinitio/pronounce/

(If it tries to open in Quicktime and you don't have it, you can right-click the button and select "Save Target As" to play it in Winamp or Windows Media Player)

To me it just seems a lot more organized than the other link, but that's me..
Thanks for the link, I will add that to the post!

e and ä do make a similar sound when they're shortened. I still agree with the way I've written it, because I don't know how else it can be explained. I'm sorry if I'm confusing, but I'm pretty sure that it's right.

Chikiya


Chikiya

PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 8:45 am


Greetings and Useful Phrases

Okay, this isn't a proper lesson topic, but just some useful words, greetings and phrases that are used every day (Mostly).

Greetings
Guten Morgen - Good morning

Gut = good
Morgen = morning
The o in Morgen is a short o.


Hallo - Hello

Guten Tag - Good day

Tag = day
In Tag, the a is lengthened.


Guten abend


Abend = evening

Gute Nacht

Nacht = night

Tschüss - Goodbye

Aufwiedersehen - Goodbye

It doesn't matter which you use, but sometimes Aufwiedersehen can sound more formal.

Herzlichen Glückswunsch zum Geburtstag - Happy Birthday

Frohe Weinachten - Happy Christmas

Useful things
Always remember to be polite!

Danke - thank you

Bitte - please

Wie geht's? - How are you?


Wie = how
Geht's = goes it (Grammar is different, but that will be explained later)


Now these are some useful ways of saying 'Please have mercy on me, I'm a beginner!'

Sprechen sie bitte langsamer! - Please speak more slowly

Sprechen = speaking
Sie = you (Polite)
Langsamer = slower


Ich spreche nicht viel Deutsch - I don't speak much German

It would be a lie now to say you don't speak any!

Ich = I
Nicht = not
Viel = much
Deutsch = German


Wie heisst das auf Englisch/Deutsch? - What is that called in English/German?

Heisst = called
Das = that
Auf = on (Again, grammar)


They're not many, but they can be very useful! I've written out the individual words underneath, because as there has only been one lesson so far, no one is expected to know any grammar or verbs or anything. I hope these are helpful! If anybody has any questions about any pronunciations in this section, or wants help with anything else, ask!
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