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Starlock
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:32 pm


I wouldn't be surprised if this topic has existed before here, but I only had the patience to check back to the second page. Any further back then that, and I think it'll be of benefit if we have the discussion again anyway since new members have surely come into this Guild since then.

Religion is a touchy subject for public K-12 schools. If it is taught at all, it is done only briefly in a language arts or humanities course. There are other subjects too, that are not well taught in schools. Philosophy. Psychology. Anthropology. I'd bet districts would have an easier time requiring a class in any of these three than in religion. Probably because of that whole separation of church and state thing.

But teaching about religions dosen't mean forcing those beliefs onto the children listening. The consequences of children growing up to be ignorant of other religious systems is far worse than arguments against it. The lack of coverage on religions seems to often be the cause for children adopting athiesm. They do not 'fall in' with the faith of their parents and out of ignorance of ther faiths, simply proclaim they have none. In addition, ignorance of anything breeds intolerance and misunderstanding.

So one thing I'm curious about, is in your schooling, how, if at all, has religious diversity been covered? Which religions did you cover? And if you've had no coursework in it, do you feel you really know about religion at all?

Second, how can we make a move to change this trend of religious ignorance that exists within general education? What sorts of complications must we overcome to move school districts to cover this material?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:44 pm


My high school's World Cultures class discussed Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, but it was very vauge, just an overview of each. A lot of the students made jokes about Judaism and Islam, so I asked them to stop, so they just made fun of me.

I think religion could be taught in junior high and high school, but not before that. If it is taught, they should go into a little more detail then my school did, and discuss more religions.

Mostly, i learned about other religions in college and, well, at church.

SyphaBelnades


Music Never Stops

PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:32 pm


Well I do not go to public school. I go to catholic school but I think they are pretty intolerent.
They only teach thier views on catholic, it's very biased and I wouldn't take it if it wasn't required to graduate. I myself am not christian or catholic or any of that. And I would be public about it if the school and my family did not frown upon it so much. This is probably being traced back to my dad anyways so I'll probably get into trouble for this. Anyways I think that religion class should not be just catholic, it is religion therefore there should be a wide variety of religions dicussed there.

Edit: They talked about Pagans a little but they about how it was BAD which made me angry. Anyways thats all.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:31 am


When I was in high school I had one teacher who did a unit on World Religions. But not all were covered; more the ones she assumed nobody in the class was and nobody was familiar with like Buddhism, Taoism, Islam, also covered Christianity and Judaism I believe. Not Hinduism, or Paganism, which are two other big ones. It was a short unit too, so not much detail.

post again later when I have time... sweatdrop

Starlock
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Son of Axeman
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:23 am


I didn't know what Judaism was until 2 years ago. I'm 17. That's sad.

In high schools, religion means Catholicism. I switched out of it on the first day in grade 7, because all they talked about was "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!" Well, what about Buddha, and Mohammed? The latest religion class I took, being 2 years ago, touched on Chrisitanity, 101 of the various sects of Christianity and how one minute diffrence caused them to split off like angsty teenagers, and acgnowlaged the existance of Judaism.

There aren't enough open-minded people in the world.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:12 am


Son of Axeman
I didn't know what Judaism was until 2 years ago. I'm 17. That's sad.

In high schools, religion means Catholicism. I switched out of it on the first day in grade 7, because all they talked about was "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!" Well, what about Buddha, and Mohammed? The latest religion class I took, being 2 years ago, touched on Chrisitanity, 101 of the various sects of Christianity and how one minute diffrence caused them to split off like angsty teenagers, and acgnowlaged the existance of Judaism.

There aren't enough open-minded people in the world.


I'm not convinced the lack of open-mindedness is the problem. Everybody is inherently both open and closed (you can function otherwise, psychologicaly or physiologically). I think that people just don't THINK about it in the first place. They don't think about other religions, for they are not taught of them in the first place. And when confronted with something outside of their worldview, a natural first reaction is to be guarded against it (most likely a survival mechanism passed down from our ancheint ancestors).

And, a lot of people don't bother to self-educate themselves either. I was fortuante enough to be raised in a family that really values education, so we actually take the initiative ourselves, sometimes, to learn about something. Most people dont' seem to do this from what I've seen.

It's hard to promote religious tolerance when there is not first religious understanding.

Starlock
Vice Captain


Music Never Stops

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:42 am


I think that the real problem is that to Christians (at least as far as I know) every other religion is just plain wrong so they don't bother to learn about it. And the reason the religion of choise for schools is Catholic is because people are born and raised catholic, heck half of them don't even know what it is but because they were like that as a child they usually stay that way as an adult and then force it upon thier children. Thats what keeps happening and now the schools are helping them out. They don't give us a choise or an oppinion they just try and make you think that catholic is right no questions asked. Me I was lucky enough to question it and see the catholic was not the religion for me.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:29 pm


I think that if religions are to be taught, they should be done in a college setting. I believe that any college with a religious affiliation should be required, by a national law, to have their students wishing to obtain a degree of any sort, take so many credits of Religious Studies.

I believe this because, I believe that, for the most part, kids in highschool (Freshmen and Sophomores) are too immature and are less likely to take it seriously. While Seniors in highschool, could be required to take it, I find that, for the most part, they are more interested in focusing their attention on getting the hell out of there. Juniors, simply have too much to sift through, with all the standardized testing, and college touring.

As for myself, the only religion I learned about through school was the Islamic faith, during my World History class. This took up a good portion of the trimester. Other than that, I taught myself about various religions.

I think that there should be a philosophy requirement for highschoolers. It's not much different than English.

chaoticpuppet
Crew


Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:10 pm


the school i go to has a very vauge overview of several religions, but completely avoided anything that could be termed pagan. i figure thats because we have a large minority of jehovahs witnesses, and they get really a**l about that kind of thing. but at least the ones they show are from a neutral perspective.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:40 pm


Chaoticpuppet, it's true that a lot of young people really don't have the experience or interest to apprechiate religion. But the thing is, if they are not introduced to the concept at all, chances aren't as great of them taking interest in it at other levels either. I know that a factor in me googling up different religions was partly because I was aware of other systems out there that fit me better than what I was forced into as a kid. If I hadn't felt there was any system out there that would fit, I wouldn't have even bothered looking. And this is coming from a person who randomly reads up on subjects anyway just to become more informed.

Starlock
Vice Captain


Kalorn
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:57 pm


Some_Guy15
Well I do not go to public school. I go to catholic school but I think they are pretty intolerent.
They only teach thier views on catholic, it's very biased and I wouldn't take it if it wasn't required to graduate. I myself am not christian or catholic or any of that. And I would be public about it if the school and my family did not frown upon it so much. This is probably being traced back to my dad anyways so I'll probably get into trouble for this. Anyways I think that religion class should not be just catholic, it is religion therefore there should be a wide variety of religions dicussed there.

Edit: They talked about Pagans a little but they about how it was BAD which made me angry. Anyways thats all.
well it is a CATHOLIC school. I agree with you, but I respect their right to not want to do that.

but over-all i agree with Starlock. i was fortunate in my private school, but most people are not.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:01 pm


Religious diversity in my school consisted of the different forms of Christianity and Judaism. We touched on Hinduism and Buddhism, but very little. As for the rest of the religions, when we asked we were told that "they are unimportant heathen cults that will corrupt you and send you to hell."

domokun Imagine that. I heard that in 3rd grade . . . and they wonder why so many of us were paranoid . . .

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Starlock
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:21 am


Leinaa
Religious diversity in my school consisted of the different forms of Christianity and Judaism. We touched on Hinduism and Buddhism, but very little. As for the rest of the religions, when we asked we were told that "they are unimportant heathen cults that will corrupt you and send you to hell."

domokun Imagine that. I heard that in 3rd grade . . . and they wonder why so many of us were paranoid . . .


(laughs) From what I was taught, we just didn't touch Paganism period. Unless you count the dose of Greek/Roman mythology that pretty much every kid gets, but it isn't taught as religion, it's taught as story. A lot of kids get fascinated by mythology too, so it makes me wonder sometimes what would happen if it WAS emphasized it was once (and still is, reconstructionist) a religious system.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:01 pm


There are five nationally-recognized religions in Indonesia: Islam, Christianity, Catholicism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. What's so funny is that the Indonesian national ideology actually calls for the 'belief in one God' (which is not that much different from the U.S., but anyway), yet there are no persecution for polytheists or any other people who practice, say, Confucianism or Taoism there.

Indonesia is the most-populous Muslim country in the world. Most of the places have a mosque where you can actually hear the call to prayer everywhere; but most people are generally tolerant of each other's beliefs. Even though I went to a Christian/Catholic school throughout my ten years of schooling there, the national motto of Bhinneka Tunggal Ika (sanskrit; means 'unity in diversity') actually held everyone together.

Most people only know the general beliefs in those five religions I've said above; but what people do not know are the arguments for and against those said religions. Yet, I'm sure that those kind of discussions would blow little children's heads up. sweatdrop

Getting rid of the religious ignorance shouldn't be left to the education system alone; I believe that parents should teach their children more than the schools. My mother was raised with a very broad, liberal view of religion: even though my grandparents are Muslim, she was Christian. I have a cousin who's essentially agnostic, and we wouldn't even blink an eye if one of us grew an extra eye or something. xp

Instead of parents just blindly having 'faith' in a religion that their parents taught to them, I think it would be best if they chose their faith willingly, then teaching the basics of each religion to their children so that they can also choose their faith willingly. Freely choosing one's beliefs, in my opinion, is more pure to the eyes of God compared to being forced to perform religious obligations of a religion one does not truly believe in.

Triste


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:34 pm


Parents should teach their kids about the religion they choose (and of course NOT force their kids into it). But schools are responsible for teaching us other religions. If it wasn't for this lack of education, this giuld might not have to exist.
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