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 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:01 pm
This was something that more or less popped up in my head the other night. I had been hearing a lot of horror stories from women who were harassed by picketeers outside of abortion clinics- and accounts from picketeers who were doing the harassing, and think that they are doing a good thing by giving the women second thoughts about taking away the fetus's life.
I was simply wondering: What do you think of picketteers who harass women outside of the clinics. Harass meaning anything from trying to keep her from going in, verbal harassment, physical harassment, threats, taking pictures of them and posting them online (something I'd recently heard of eek ) etc. etc. Standing there and waving a sign is not harassing.
This is more directed at the pro-life side than the pro-choice side, though pro-choicers are welcome to post their input...
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:04 pm
Are all Muslims terrorists? No.
They're just your neighbor extremists doing your job.
I have very leniet ideas of harrasment. IMHO, the only Harrassment that bothers me is physical and verbal insults, anything along those lines (letters, controlled communication) I don't deam wrong. But that isn't picketeering...
EDIT: Wow I did not answer that question at all...
I think it's very wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:40 am
As you say, there is nothing wrong with peaceful protest ((except when the protest involves pictures of 30 week old foetus, or paintshopped images)).
However, anything that involves physical restriction, directed communication ((even if it is in a letter if that letter is addressed and the communication is repeated, a random pamphlet does not count)), is harrassment. What these women are doing is prefectly legal, and in some cases a life saving event ((I'm not willing to call it an operation)).
*waits for the inevitable*
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:04 am
Reinna Astarel This was something that more or less popped up in my head the other night. I had been hearing a lot of horror stories from women who were harassed by picketeers outside of abortion clinics- and accounts from picketeers who were doing the harassing, and think that they are doing a good thing by giving the women second thoughts about taking away the fetus's life. I was simply wondering: What do you think of picketteers who harass women outside of the clinics. Harass meaning anything from trying to keep her from going in, verbal harassment, physical harassment, threats, taking pictures of them and posting them online (something I'd recently heard of eek ) etc. etc. Standing there and waving a sign is not harassing. This is more directed at the pro-life side than the pro-choice side, though pro-choicers are welcome to post their input... I think those people who harrass women, thinking it's the "right thing to do" are complete idiots. Then again, that's just me.
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Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:31 pm
Depends how they picket. If they ever did anything illegal I am sure there would be lawsuits. I know for a fact Pro-Abortion supporters picket quite often as well.
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:51 am
KiwiiHead Depends how they picket. If they ever did anything illegal I am sure there would be lawsuits. I know for a fact Pro-Abortion supporters picket quite often as well. Definately news to me.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:01 pm
kp606 KiwiiHead Depends how they picket. If they ever did anything illegal I am sure there would be lawsuits. I know for a fact Pro-Abortion supporters picket quite often as well. Definately news to me. News to me too. I was thinking of going down to an abortion clinic and doing it, hough. It'd be funny to see, Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-life, Pro-choice, Pro-lif-Wait, what? And about the pictures being taken. Well, I'd probably pause, pose, and then flaunt my way in, giving a nice kiss in the air as I dissapeared, too. However. I think they shouldn't do that. The girl's under enough stress as it is.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:32 pm
Not all of them push people away. They're just trying to show the women that there are alternatives, since most abortionists (doctors that perform abortions) don't ever include the health risks, including psychological trauma for some women, which disgusts me.
But if they hit the person with the sign, well, then, of course that needs to be stopped.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:20 pm
Lorysa Not all of them push people away. They're just trying to show the women that there are alternatives, since most abortionists (doctors that perform abortions) don't ever include the health risks, including psychological trauma for some women, which disgusts me.
But if they hit the person with the sign, well, then, of course that needs to be stopped. How long have you been researching this topic luv? Your facts are amazingly wonky... Even the "dreaded" Planned Parenthood is so kind as to inform you of the other options... Planned Parenthood Right there if you scan over health info, in the drop down list it even says ADOPTION wow...finding info from the american department of health is hard... found it... Guideline.govQuote: Standard 1: Accurate information must be provided regarding the risks and benefits of abortion. Option 1.01: This information may be provided either on an individual basis or in group sessions. Standard 2: There must be documentation that the patient affirms that she understands the procedure and its alternatives; the potential risks, benefits, and complications; that her decision is uncoerced; and that she is prepared to have an abortion. Recommendation 0.1: There should be an opportunity for discussion of the patient's feelings about the abortion decision.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:01 pm
Shard Aerliss Lorysa Not all of them push people away. They're just trying to show the women that there are alternatives, since most abortionists (doctors that perform abortions) don't ever include the health risks, including psychological trauma for some women, which disgusts me.
But if they hit the person with the sign, well, then, of course that needs to be stopped. How long have you been researching this topic luv? Your facts are amazingly wonky... Even the "dreaded" Planned Parenthood is so kind as to inform you of the other options...[ur=http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/]Planned Parenthood Right there if you scan over health info, in the drop down list it even says ADOPTION wow...finding info from the american department of health is hard... found it... Guideline.govQuote: Standard 1: Accurate information must be provided regarding the risks and benefits of abortion. Option 1.01: This information may be provided either on an individual basis or in group sessions. Standard 2: There must be documentation that the patient affirms that she understands the procedure and its alternatives; the potential risks, benefits, and complications; that her decision is uncoerced; and that she is prepared to have an abortion. Recommendation 0.1: There should be an opportunity for discussion of the patient's feelings about the abortion decision. JerichoLife.org [...]The emotional after-effects can be even more devastating. Pro-abortion researchers admit that certain pre-existing conditions put a woman at greater risk for psychological trauma after abortion. These conditions include a belief that abortion is wrong (70% of aborting women), being pressured to have an abortion by a boyfriend or husband (23%) or parents (7%), aborting a wanted child believed to have defects, or feeling that abortion is her "only choice" (68% feel forced to abort because of financial problems). Abortionists have a professional duty to inform mothers of these risk factors, but almost all abortionists withhold this information to avoid losing business.[...]
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Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:36 am
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:49 pm
Doesnt posting taking and posting pictures of women online make them targests for other weird violent pro-life extreemists? Werent there cases of that before? To me that seems like the most dangerous of all deemed harrassment. Because while picketeers may call names, push, shove and wave signs at a woman, I dont see that as dangerous as being vunerable to the entire wack-job side of the pro-life community.
Though overall I frown upon it all. Bad. Bad bad.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:35 pm
Bacchant Doesnt posting taking and posting pictures of women online make them targests for other weird violent pro-life extreemists? Werent there cases of that before? To me that seems like the most dangerous of all deemed harrassment. Because while picketeers may call names, push, shove and wave signs at a woman, I dont see that as dangerous as being vunerable to the entire wack-job side of the pro-life community. Though overall I frown upon it all. Bad. Bad bad. I'd read this article about a man who did exactly that. He'd take pictures, post them online, and sometimes, other people would then harass them, perform excorcism on their lawn, follow them around with camaras, erect crosses on their lawn, post them on her house, etc. I think they did that for people who worked at the clinic as well.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:52 pm
DOn't get too defensive, remember, it's only about the ones who harrass women.
In my opinion? There is such a thing as free speech crossing the line. They're being harmful and if I had my way, they'd be jailed.
Seriously. A woman is going in for an abortion. What the heck is making her feel worse going to do to convince her that you're right? "These people make me feel bad." The logical conclusion I draw is, "therefore I should stay away from them since they will never accept me and will always judge me." Maybe that's just because I'm overly sensitive, but harrassing ANYONE reminds me of fourth graders playing keep away or beating kids up for lunch money or making fun of people for their hair. There's a much more mature way to picket.
Information dispensing? That's one thing. Giving a woman a pregnancy support center and telling her they're there if she wants an alternative to abortion? That's not being cruel. That's offering help. But yelling, "BURN IN HELL SLUT YOU GOT PREGNANT NOW KEEP THAT BABY OR BURN IN HELL!" What the heck? My insanity alarm just went off. It's threatening. It's condescending. It's disgusting. Flat out photographing her and even hurting her physically? She's going into a freaking abortion clinic. If they're so convinced she'll burn in hell, then why the need to hurt her even further?
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Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 7:42 am
lymelady If they're so convinced she'll burn in hell, then why the need to hurt her even further? lol...sorry this has no relevence to the discussion...but that made me laugh.
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