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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:24 pm
I think I might have actually figured it out based on the psychology paper I did. It's not a gene and it's not satan. It has to do with prenatal exposure and sensitivity to androgens: a component of testosterone. Let me elaborate.
"Complete androgen insensitivity syndrome (CAIS) is a condition that affects individuals who are XY. Their bodies do not respond to androgens and develop bodies that look like biological females and are usually raised as such and usually live their lives as heterosexual females, despite being biologically male. Androgenital syndrome is a condition that causes the adrenal cortex to produce excess testosterone, which causes the genitalia of XX individuals to masculinize and generate the appearance of a biological male. These individuals, though biologically female, tend to live the lives of heterosexual males. This has led Meyer-Bahlburg to the theory that prenatal endocrine disorders involving the production and utilization of androgens leads to the determination of sexual orientation."
The XY individuals with CAIS are like the ultimate homosexual male and the XX individuals with Androgenital Syndrome are like the ultimate homosexual female.
Now if you don't carry the disorders to their complete extremes and look at them as a continuum, such as males with varying insensitivity to androgens, it would lead to varying levels of attraction to men, and women who produce a little more testosterone are a little more attracted to women.
Another experiment I reported on, had heterosexual men and women and homosexual males smelling male and female sex hormones.
When heterosexual females smelled Estrogen the only part of the brain that lit up was the sense of smell.
When heterosexual males smelled Androgens only the smell sense was activated.
However when Heterosexual women and homosexual men smelled Androgens their hypothalmus triggered (arousal).
When heterosexual men smelled estrogen their hypothalmus triggered.
The interesting thing was for homosexual men smelling estrogen their smell was the primary sense triggered but there was a little hypothalmus action.
My theory is that based on these finding the homosexual men have less androgens in their system then heterosexual males but because they have not had the complete body change that CAIS XYs have, they still have some generic male brain functions.
Another article I studied talked about clicks that the inner ear makes and how men have softer ear clicks then women. If you look at the chart Heterosexual women have louder ear clicks than homosexual women. (The men and the homosexual women having more androgens in their system, makes the clicks softer.)
Also homosexual men had louder clicks than heterosexual men (less androgens, louder ear clicks)
That's my theory. What do you guys think? My full essay is at http://journals.aol.com/thebakatulip/the-tulip-journal/
Tulip Notes: Not all homosexuals are the same, like in the very basic level there are "butch" homosexuals (both lesbians and gay men) and feminined homosexuals (femmes and effeminate gay men) my theory is that shows even more variance in the body's reaction to androgens. Butch lesbians may be closer to the testosterone levels experienced by XX individuals with Androgenital Syndrome and effeminate gay men might be less reactive to androgens butch gay men but not to the extent of individuals with CAIS.
Like it is mentioned below, and in a skit by a comedian I like Miss Coco Peru, that women who were stressed while pregnant would have gay children, the more stress, the more effeminate the male or butch the girl, greater variance in reaction to testosterone. See the connection?
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:38 pm
Send this to Washington!!! eek RIGHT NOW!!! This is the best thing I've ever seen on homosexuality EVER!! Mind if I spread the word?
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The Committee Staff Gaian
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 5:02 pm
Saknika Send this to Washington!!! eek RIGHT NOW!!! This is the best thing I've ever seen on homosexuality EVER!! Mind if I spread the word? smile Thanks
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:29 pm
This is similar to a theory I heard that women who are under great amounts of stress during pragnancy lead to the overdose of adrogen in women or to a decrese of androgen causing the child they carry to become homosexual!
Even though this may sound good because it can prove people don't choose to be homosexual it also means that a cure could be made to level androgens in pregnancy therefor causing the child to be born heterosexual.
Another theory is that when a mother has her hand full raising a family or caring for herself she will have a homosexual offspring because with out it's licking to the opposite sex it will not abandon it's mother. Of course that is not so in the human animal but it is possible in other type of animals.
Anyways I like your theory very much!
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:40 pm
Hrmm... I dunno... I mean, I don't have any excess levels of testosterone at ALL - I'm not aggressive or boyish in any matter. For that matter, I'm very girly and function (physically, mentally, and emotionally) like a typical female. I LOOK like a girl. I wear makeup and dress like a girl. I have a girl's figure and a girl's voice - I identify as female, of course (unlike a lot of other lesbians I've met). I love typical girlish activities like painting, playing the piano, and horseback riding. I don't really like sports (excluding badminton and tennis), roll my eyes at the annoying 'guyish behaviors' (leaving dirty laundry everywhere, drinking and yelling at the TV while watching 'THE GAME' on Thanksgiving day, etc xd ) - I like keeping my space clean, I multi-task, I cook, I organize - I'm the ultimate embodiment of the average straight female - only... here I am, very hard-wired-homosexual. xp
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:49 pm
rubbermuleaccount Hrmm... I dunno... I mean, I don't have any excess levels of testosterone at ALL - I'm not aggressive or boyish in any matter. For that matter, I'm very girly and function (physically, mentally, and emotionally) like a typical female. I LOOK like a girl. I wear makeup and dress like a girl. I have a girl's figure and a girl's voice - I identify as female, of course (unlike a lot of other lesbians I've met). I love typical girlish activities like painting, playing the piano, and horseback riding. I don't really like sports (excluding badminton and tennis), roll my eyes at the annoying 'guyish behaviors' (leaving dirty laundry everywhere, drinking and yelling at the TV while watching 'THE GAME' on Thanksgiving day, etc xd ) - I like keeping my space clean, I multi-task, I cook, I organize - I'm the ultimate embodiment of the average straight female - only... here I am, very hard-wired-homosexual. xp Just because you are girly doesn't mean you don't have excess testosterone. It's a hormone thing, it's not present in your day to day functioning or even your personality. It has nothing to do with your gender identity or anything. It's the way your endocrine system works, it has nothing to do with your personality. Look about the smell thing, even the homosexual males showed characteristics mentally of straight men because they were men. You can't say you don't have excess testosterone in your body without analyzing your blood.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:52 pm
Shadow of Fantasy This is similar to a theory I heard that women who are under great amounts of stress during pragnancy lead to the overdose of adrogen in women or to a decrese of androgen causing the child they carry to become homosexual! Even though this may sound good because it can prove people don't choose to be homosexual it also means that a cure could be made to level androgens in pregnancy therefor causing the child to be born heterosexual. Another theory is that when a mother has her hand full raising a family or caring for herself she will have a homosexual offspring because with out it's licking to the opposite sex it will not abandon it's mother. Of course that is not so in the human animal but it is possible in other type of animals. Anyways I like your theory very much! It would then delve into ethics, the prevention of homosexuality, that is. Much like chosing your baby's eye color or gender type thing. Also it would take monitoring of the conditions of the womb and the baby's adrenal system, I'm not sure that can be done. And I'm sure there would be people trying to prevent their children from being gay, but I bet proceedures like that would be costly.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:50 am
BakaTulip Shadow of Fantasy This is similar to a theory I heard that women who are under great amounts of stress during pragnancy lead to the overdose of adrogen in women or to a decrese of androgen causing the child they carry to become homosexual! Even though this may sound good because it can prove people don't choose to be homosexual it also means that a cure could be made to level androgens in pregnancy therefor causing the child to be born heterosexual. Another theory is that when a mother has her hand full raising a family or caring for herself she will have a homosexual offspring because with out it's licking to the opposite sex it will not abandon it's mother. Of course that is not so in the human animal but it is possible in other type of animals. Anyways I like your theory very much! It would then delve into ethics, the prevention of homosexuality, that is. Much like chosing your baby's eye color or gender type thing. Also it would take monitoring of the conditions of the womb and the baby's adrenal system, I'm not sure that can be done. And I'm sure there would be people trying to prevent their children from being gay, but I bet proceedures like that would be costly. Yes but then we have to consider certain religious bigots (no offence to religious people here) who might think it worth the cost to undertake such a procedure, becasue it will "save" the child, even though that would be far more unnatural than the homosexuality itself. Simpsons did something like that in one of their future vision episodes: Bart saves Mr. Burns and then right afterwards Smithers comes in with a female date and it's like, "But Smithers, I thought you were..." Smithers: "No I'm straight, so long as I take these pills every ten minutes *pops a pill* I love boobies!", an example of unnaturally altering sexual orientation. but as for your theory I say it's a valid one and you should get huge credit for it, but I'm not entirely sure that I like it because it kind of sheds homosexuality in a light as something "curable" thusly making it sound like a disease, and whether or not that was your intention, that is the kind of interpretation that people might place on it. Then again, I might be misinterpreting something and if I am, please correct me.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:07 am
No you are right that it looks like there could be a "cure" if that's the case. I don't know if adults would be able to alter their hormone levels, effectively allowing people to choose their sexal orientation. Or I wonder if it isn't alterable after birth. It's a curious thing. But I mean there is a "cure" for hair color (dye), there is a "cure" for eye color (colored contacts) but none of these are real long term changes.
But then again it might not be, at least for the guys, I mean how would they be able to make them react to androgens? Women I guess there is the possibility of removing the testoserone from their bodies... I don't really know.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:41 am
BakaTulip No you are right that it looks like there could be a "cure" if that's the case. I don't know if adults would be able to alter their hormone levels, effectively allowing people to choose their sexal orientation. Or I wonder if it isn't alterable after birth. It's a curious thing. But I mean there is a "cure" for hair color (dye), there is a "cure" for eye color (colored contacts) but none of these are real long term changes. But then again it might not be, at least for the guys, I mean how would they be able to make them react to androgens? Women I guess there is the possibility of removing the testoserone from their bodies... I don't really know. Hmm... well I think I'm going to leave this up to you BakaTulip becasue I am nowhere near as learned in the subject as you @.@, but I still think this theory might cause some discord, and then there are those aforementioned religious bigots who might use the same argument against homosexuality, saying that it is a byproduct of stress and is an unnatural thing, but yeah, I don't know as much about it as you so I think I deserve less of a say in it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:32 pm
Well I'm not the one who came up with the androgen theory. Other people did. I just wrote about it and found other bits that made it make more sense. But here is the thing now that we know why it happens we can go *point* SEE! NATURAL BITCHES!
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:22 pm
Double Kudos on the theory BT. Im worried about the people who think we're wrong will pull it off as a disease. It's kinda scary to think of the possibilities. I just hope if this is proven correct, we will get more support instead of the opposite.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:58 pm
BakaTulip Just because you are girly doesn't mean you don't have excess testosterone. It's a hormone thing, it's not present in your day to day functioning or even your personality. It has nothing to do with your gender identity or anything. It's the way your endocrine system works, it has nothing to do with your personality. Look about the smell thing, even the homosexual males showed characteristics mentally of straight men because they were men. You can't say you don't have excess testosterone in your body without analyzing your blood. Hrm, I've just always been taught that more testosterone = higher aggression level, deeper voice, etc. BakaTulip Well I'm not the one who came up with the androgen theory. Other people did. I just wrote about it and found other bits that made it make more sense. But here is the thing now that we know why it happens we can go *point* SEE! NATURAL BITCHES! I kind of fear that they'd just be like "NO, SEE, YOU PROVED IT'S A DISORDER AND NEEDS TO BE FIXED!!" x_________x Ugh. I hate religious bigots too. And that's interesting for me to say, speaking as a Christian. I'm just not a bigot. -___-
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:18 pm
Hey, they try to cure me and I will litterally shove that cure up their a**. 3nodding
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The Committee Staff Gaian
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:25 pm
Saknika Hey, they try to cure me and I will litterally shove that cure up their a**. 3nodding Go you! *hi-fives* Yeah!! I like the way I am. ^____^ I love my girlfriend, I don't want to be ' cured'... >.>
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