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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:47 pm


Well, for those of you who don't know. I'm an animal welfare activist (meaning I push for better and more humane treatment of animals. Not necisarrily liberation. If oyu want to eat meat by all means go ahead, I just hope the animal you're eating was able to recieve a swift and most painless death.)

I despise poaching. I've turned three in while living in north carolina. I've helped clean up the remains of a poaching. Its disgusting and it give hunsters like my self and my friends who actualy care about animals and the environment a bad name. When we kill an animal we try to use as much of it as possibe for clothing and food. We place what we cant use deep in the woods where scavengers won't be lured close to unhabited areas and possibly hurt.

I'm frequently asked if i feel proud for killing a weaker animal. I some times wonder to my self if this animal is the weaker one. This animal (usialy white tail dear) is almost pure muscle, they live in the harsh elements year round, enduring it all with out the use of warm clothing or a house, with no apposable thumbs to hold tools and weapons. Put a human in the same situation and they would die with in a few short weeks (assuming they make it that long) So...is this animal weaker?

Any ways, I'm also asked how i would feal if an animal came hunting me. I thought this out on my first hunt. I felt no remorse for the killing the animal, but I did feel humbled. With that, i would hope the same. If an animal hunted me, i would hope that in some way, if it did manage to kill me, it would feel humbled, and would make an atempt to honor my body by mackign sure as much as possible was used and that my body was taken to a place where scavengures would not be attracted to a dangeorus environment for them. I'd run, defend my self if i could, and be scared s**t less, but would still have that hope.

Now, with that said, I'm insulted by the existence of orginisations like PETA (People for the Ethicle Treatment of Animals). They claim to want to help animals, that they are an animal welfare orginisation. Yet, every thign they have ever done has not been in the benifit of animals. Financial recrods show that they spend far more money on add campaighns with information that is either flat out lies, or skepticle at best (and thats, in my personal opinoin, giving these adds alot of credit) and defending criminals from the domestic torrorist orginisations ALF and ELF then they ever spend on animals. Its been estimated that they spend mabey 5% of the millions they rack in anualy from donations on building animal shelters and helping fund spay and neuter program. Not only this, but between 1998 and 2006, PETA euthanised over 91% of the animals it took in. The vast majority of these animals were perfectly healthy and adoptable.

I'm tryign to find all my sources so i can post them, for now though I leave you with a link and a quote.

www.petakillsanimals.com

PETA on Activestcash.com
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals
501 Front Street, Norfolk, VA 23510,
Phone 757-622-7382 | Fax 757-622-0457 | Email info@peta-online.org



People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has been described as "by far the most successful radical organization in America." The key word is radical. PETA seeks "total animal liberation," according to its president and co-founder, Ingrid Newkirk. That means no meat or dairy, of course; but it also means no aquariums, no circuses, no hunting or fishing, no fur or leather, and no medical research using animals. PETA is even opposed to the use of seeing-eye dogs.

Amidst the dozens of animal rights organizations, PETA occupies the niche of -- in Newkirk's own words -- "complete press sluts." Endlessly seeking media exposure, PETA sends out dozens of press releases every week.

In the past, PETA has handled the press for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), a violent, underground group of fanatics who plant firebombs in restaurants, destroy butcher shops, and torch research labs. The FBI considers ALF among America's most active and prolific terrorist groups, but PETA compares it to the Underground Railroad and the French Resistance. More than 20 years after its inception, PETA continues to hire convicted ALF militants and funds their legal defense. In at least one case, court records show that Ingrid Newkirk herself was involved in an ALF arson.

PETA has even begun to adopt the tactics of an ALF offshoot known as SHAC (Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty). This group is notorious for taking protests outside the boardroom and into the living room, attacking their targets at their homes.

In 2001, three masked SHAC members brutally bludgeoned a medical researcher outside his home in England. The lead attacker was arrested and sentenced to three years in prison. A few months later, SHAC attacked another research industry employee on his doorstep with a chemical spray to his eyes, leaving him temporarily blinded and writhing in pain. The following year, Newkirk was asked her opinion of SHAC in the Boston Herald. Her response? "More power to SHAC if they can get someone's attention."

By 2003, PETA activists had adopted SHAC's protest techniques, stalking and harassing fast-food restaurant executives. Not content to write letters and picket the chain restaurant's offices, PETA's leaders met with the CEO's pastor, and visited his country club and the manager of one of his favorite restaurants. PETA activists, one dressed in a chicken suit, even protested at the church of two executives, annoying worshipers by driving a truck with giant screens of slaughterhouse video back and forth along the street.

In an effort to win more media exposure, PETA has adopted the counter-intuitive tactic of buying stock in restaurant and food companies that serve and sell meat. After buying just enough shares to qualify, PETA's pattern is to introduce shareholder resolutions that would require animal-rights-oriented practices in the way animals are handled and slaughtered.

PETA's goal as a shareholder, of course, is not to turn a profit. Its resolutions, if passed, would increase the cost of doing business and lower the value of everyone's investment. The group has claimed that it's "not trying to remove meat from the menu." But with a stated long-term goal of "total animal liberation," pushing for animal-welfare changes is just a first step. PETA's short-term goals are to economically cripple these companies, force them to increase the retail price of meat, and nudge consumers toward eating less of it.

PETA collected almost $29 million in donations in 2004 alone, but few donors understand exactly where their money is going. During the past ten years, PETA has spent four times as much on criminals and their legal defense than it has on shelters, spay-neuter programs, and other efforts that actually help animals.

From both a moral and a legal standpoint, there are far too many objectionable things about PETA to list here in detail. But the following "top ten list" is a good start:

PETA is not an animal welfare organization.
PETA spends less than one percent of its multi-million dollar budget actually helping animals. The group euthanized (killed) more than 1,900 animals in 2003 alone -- that's over 85 percent of the animals it received. In fact, from July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five animals every day. On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 expense for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn't confirmed the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.

PETA assaults common decency.
PETA's leadership has compared animal farmers to serial killer (and cannibal) Jeffrey Dahmer. They proclaimed in a 2003 exhibit that chickens are as valuable as Jewish Holocaust victims. They announced with a 2001 billboard that a shark attack on a little boy was "revenge" against humans who had it coming anyway. They have branded parents who feed their kids meat and milk "child abusers." In 2002 PETA organized a campaign to sabotage a popular Thanksgiving hotline, which provides free advice about cooking turkeys. The group has even contemplated (literally) dancing on the grave of Kentucky Fried Chicken's Colonel Sanders. And in 2003, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk wrote to Yasser Arafat, pleading with him to make certain no animals are harmed in Palestinian suicide-bombing attacks.

PETA peddles its "animal liberation" food agenda through a medical front group that pretends to offer objective nutritional advice.
A group misleadingly named the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) has duped the press into believing that it is an association of conscientious doctors promoting good nutrition. In fact, it is a PETA front group. PCRM and PETA share money, offices, and staff. The American Medical Association calls PCRM a "pseudo-physicians group," has demanded that PCRM stop its "inappropriate and unethical tactics used to manipulate public opinion," and argues that PCRM has been "blatantly misleading Americans" and "concealing its true purpose as an animal 'rights' organization."

Taking a page out of PETA's press book, PCRM has labeled U.S. school lunches "weapons of mass destruction" because they include meat and milk. PCRM's president, a psychiatrist named Neal Barnard, recently duped Newsweek into covering his "study" (of seven people) supposedly demonstrating that a vegan diet helped prevent type-2 diabetes. In 2002, PCRM was cited in major newspapers more than 550 times. It was identified as an animal-rights organization in only a handful of those cases.

PETA exploits sick people.
PETA famously suggested that drinking milk causes cancer, in an advertisement mocking then-NYC Mayor Rudy Guliani with the words "Got Prostate Cancer?" PETA has also erected a billboard reading: "Got Sick Kids? Drinking milk contributes to colic, ear infections, allergies, diabetes, obesity, and many other illnesses." In 2003 the group held a demonstration in front of a Toronto-area hospital that was under a SARS-related quarantine, spuriously alleging that animal husbandry has something to do with the epidemic's spread. Upon hearing that Charlton Heston had fallen ill with Alzheimer's Disease, Ingrid Newkirk suggested that PETA would "toy with the idea that both Alzheimer's and CJD [Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease] are related to meat consumption." According to a profile in The New Yorker, she considered "renting billboards that would display a large picture of a gaunt Charlton Heston foaming at the mouth."

PETA propagandizes children.
PETA's website for kids puts a skull and crossbones next to the logo of Disney's Animal Kingdom and tells the horror story of a fast food restaurant employee who "had taken a patty into the potty with her, then returned and said she had peed on it." It hands out trading cards to kids that allege drinking milk will make them fat, pimply, flatulent, and phlegm-ridden. PETA also has a child-themed website, and a kiddie-oriented magazine, called GRRR! Kids Bite Back. The name is significant, as it is intended to prep children to identify with the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), which has long-used the phrase "bite back" in its promotional materials. In fact, as early as 1991, convicted ALF arsonist and PETA grantee Rodney Coronado was calling his own crime spree "Operation Bite Back." PETA also sends "humane education lecturer" Gary Yourofsky into high schools -- and even middle schools -- to promote the "animal liberation" agenda. Yourofsky is a convicted ALF criminal who has said he would support burning down medical research labs even if humans were trapped in the flames.

PETA distorts religious teachings.
Not only does PETA oppose the age-old Jewish tradition of Kosher slaughter, but the group's leaders maintain that Jews have misinterpreted their own sacred texts on the subject. They also claim, ignoring mountains of scripture to the contrary, that Jesus was a vegetarian. PETA celebrated Easter in 2003 with a billboard depicting a pig, reading "he died for your sins." PETA also insists (again, selectively ignoring contradictory evidence) that Muhammad "was not a meat-eater." In his speeches to adolescents, Gary Yourofsky regularly compares himself to Gandhi and Jesus Christ. PETA's in-school presentations include the application of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" to birds and turtles -- not people.

PETA opposes life-saving medical research.
PETA has repeatedly attacked groups like the March of Dimes, the Pediatric AIDS Foundation, and the American Cancer Society, for conducting animal testing to find cures for birth defects and life-threatening diseases. When asked if she would oppose an experiment on five thousand rats if it would result in a cure for AIDS, Newkirk responded: "Would you be opposed to experiments on your daughter if you knew it would save fifty million people?" In addition to opposing any and all medical research that uses animals, PETA also insults medical professionals by arguing, with a straight face, that animal testing is a counterproductive means of finding cures for human diseases.

PETA devalues human life.
PETA's efforts to treasure every mosquito and cockroach invariably lead them to hate human beings for using bug spray and RAID. Ingrid Newkirk argues that as human beings, "we're the biggest blight on the face of the earth."

PETA openly supports violence and terrorist activity.
PETA has long-standing ties to militant groups like the Animal Liberation Front (ALF), and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). The FBI calls these criminal groups a "serious domestic terrorist threat."

According to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, human beings are just another animal species, no more special or important than a snail darter or dairy cow. The group believes, as one commentator put it, that “animal trainers, hunters, fishermen, cattlemen, grocers, and indeed all non-vegetarians are the moral equivalent of cannibals, slave-owners, and death-camp guards.” Newkirk insists that the world would be a better place without people: “Humans have grown like a cancer. We’re the biggest blight on the face of the earth.”

While valuing livestock over people may be an indefensible argument, it’s typical of PETA’s overall strategy: to stake out extreme, ridiculous, offensive, and often laughable positions, in order to constantly redefine the edge of what’s considered “acceptable” philosophy and protest activity. Ten years ago, throwing fake blood on a fur coat, agitating for vegan cafeteria food, or objecting to Biology-class dissection were unusual behaviors. Today, these are commonplace -- the radical line is now defined by firebombs, grand theft, stalking of scientists, and bloody physical assaults. For this, PETA deserves much of the blame; its habit of upping the ante of bad taste and shock value has redefined misanthropy and bad taste.

For instance, when PETA learned that the photographs of Holocaust victims displayed in its roving exhibit -- entitled “The Holocaust on Your Plate” -- included Nobel Peace Prize winner Elie Wiesel as a young man at the Buchenwald concentration camp, it shrugged. “Six million people died in concentration camps,” laments Ingrid Newkirk, “but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.”

When terrorists struck on September 11, 2001, PETA issued a press release emphasizing the “animals left orphaned” and the dogs and cats in nearby buildings who would be “highly traumatized.” The press release berated Mayor Giuliani for his “poor record when it comes to animals” and urged him expend time, energy, and human resources “to set up a task force to locate and rescue animals” at Ground Zero.

When Newkirk heard that Palestinian militants had strapped explosives to a donkey in the hopes of exploding it in a crowded Jerusalem street, she faxed a letter to Yasser Arafat, pleading with him to “leave the animals out of it.”

When a grisly killing spree in Vancouver left 15 women dead, PETA tried to purchase full-page ads in local papers suggesting that this carnage was no worse than the killing of animals for food.

When Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh decided to refrain from eating meat during his last meal, PETA’s Bruce Friedrich told reporters: “Mr. McVeigh’s decision to go vegetarian groups him with some of the world’s greatest visionaries, including Albert Schweitzer, Mohandas Gandhi, Leo Tolstoy and Albert Einstein.”

And when images of American POWs brutalized by Saddam’s regime came back from the war zone -- reminding us of mankind’s capacity for barbarism -- PETA loudly fretted that the hens used by the army to detect chemical weapons “never enlisted” and that the dolphins locating deadly mines in the Persian Gulf “have not volunteered.”

Having proclaimed the life of a roaster chicken to be as valuable as that of a person trapped inside a collapsing skyscraper or imprisoned in a death camp, a murder victim, a federal worker in Oklahoma City, or an innocent Israeli civilian, PETA continues to place greater value on a dolphin than on a ship packed with American soldiers. “I don't believe that people have the right to life,” Newkirk has said. “That’s a supremacist perversion. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy.”

In this sense, Timothy McVeigh and Osama bin Laden may be seen as heroes to PETA. By taking thousands of humans out of the food chain, they saved far more chickens and cows than they killed people.


People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals provides aid and comfort for the Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). The two groups are responsible for more than 600 crimes since 1996, causing (by a very conservative FBI estimate) more than $43 million in damage. ALF’s “press office” brags that in 2002, the two groups committed “100 illegal direct actions” -- like blowing up SUVs, destroying the brakes on seafood delivery trucks, and planting firebombs in restaurants.

The FBI calls ALF and ELF the nation’s “most serious domestic terrorism threat.” Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s “vegan campaign director” and third-in-command, didn’t seem to care when he addressed the Animal Rights 2001 convention in Virginia, telling a crowd of over 1,000 activists that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

“It would be great,” he added, “if all the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories and the banks who fund them exploded tomorrow.”

PETA’s connections to ALF and ELF are indisputable. “We did it, we did it. We gave $1,500 to the ELF for a specific program,” PETA’s Lisa Lange admitted on the Fox News Channel. PETA has offered no fewer than eight different explanations of what the “specific program” was, but law enforcement leaders have noted that since the Earth Liberation Front is a criminal enterprise, it has absolutely no legal “programs” of any kind.

For instance, in 2003, ELF set fire to an unfinished, 200 unit condominium complex near San Diego. The arson caused $50 million in damage, and according to a San Diego Fire Captain: “It could have killed someone.” ELF left its calling card in the form of a twelve foot sign that read: “If you build it -- we will burn it -- the ELF’s are mad.”

PETA also has given $2,000 to David Wilson, then a national ALF “spokesperson.” The group paid $27,000 for the legal defense of Roger Troen, who was arrested for taking part in an October 1986 burglary and arson at the University of Oregon. It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. All of these monies were paid out of tax-exempt funds, the same pot of money constantly enlarged by donations from an unsuspecting general public.

PETA president Ingrid Newkirk is also an acknowledged financial supporter of a publication called No Compromise. This periodical operates on behalf of the radicals of ALF, and often publishes underground “communiqués” and calls to arms from ALF leaders.

Most ominously, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk was involved in the multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University that resulted in a 57-month prison term for Animal Liberation Front bomber Rodney Coronado. At Coronado’s sentencing hearing, U.S. Attorney Michael Dettmer said that PETA’s Ingrid Newkirk arranged ahead of time to have Coronado send her a pair of FedEx packages from Michigan -- one on the day before he burned the lab down, and the other shortly afterward.

The first FedEx, according to the Sentencing Memorandum, was delivered to a woman named Maria Blanton, “a longtime PETA member who had agreed to accept the first Federal Express package from Coronado after being asked to do so by Ingrid Newkirk.” The FBI intercepted the second package, which had been sent to the same address. It contained documents that Coronado stole before lighting his firebombs, as well as “a videotape of the perpetrator of the MSU crime, disguised in a ski mask.” Since Coronado was convicted of the arson, we now know that he himself was that masked man. “Significantly,” wrote U.S. Attorney Dettmer, “Newkirk had arranged to have the package delivered to her days before the MSU arson occurred.” (emphasis in the original)

A search warrant executed at Blanton’s home turned up evidence that PETA’s other co-founder, Alex Pacheco, had also been planning burglaries and break-ins along with Rodney Coronado. The feds seized “surveillance logs; code names for Coronado, Pacheco, and others; burglary tools; two-way radios; night vision goggles; [and] phony identification for Coronado and Pacheco.”

Shortly after Coronado’s arrest, PETA gave $45,200 to his “support committee” and “loaned” $25,000 to his father (the loan was never repaid and PETA hasn’t complained). Now free from jail, with an expired parole, and with the benefit of an expired Statute of Limitations on his many earlier arsons (to which he readily confesses in his standard stump speech), Coronado stood before a crowd of hundreds of young people at American University in January 2003 and demonstrated how to turn a milk jug into a bomb. A few days later, ALF criminals tried to burn down a McDonald’s restaurant in Chico, California, using a firebomb that matched Coronado’s recipe.

The following month, Ingrid Newkirk told ABC News that Rodney Coronado is “a fine young man.”

Newkirk wrote a book called Free the Animals! The Untold Story of the U.S. Animal Liberation Front and Its Founder, ‘Valerie.’ In it she writes: “The ALF has, over the years, trusted People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) to receive copies of the evidence of wrongdoing … I have also become somewhat used to jumping on a plane with copies of freshly purloined documents and hurriedly calling news conferences to discuss the ALF’s findings.” Indeed, PETA has held such press conferences just hours after ALF arsons and other break-ins.

PETA has published a leaflet called “Animal Liberation Front: the Army of the Kind.” In another pamphlet, “Activism and the Law,” PETA openly offers advice on “burning a laboratory building.”

“I will be the last person to condemn ALF,” says Newkirk. And in another interview: “I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.” In ALF’s publication Bite Back (yes, this terrorist group has a newsletter), Newkirk has said: “You can’t have all politeness and patience, all potlucks and epistles … Some people will never budge unless [they are] pushed to budge.”

Perhaps Newkirk’s most telling comment, though, came in a 2002 U.S. News & World Report feature. “Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective,” she admitted. “We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:00 pm


I didn't know you hunted! Good for you! I don't hunt, but many of my friends do. I think it is very important that the white tail deer population is controlled, as they are such a problem (since there aren't enough non-human predators to keep them in check).

I am also an animal rights activist, and very, very much against PETA. I support the SPCA and the Humane Societies. It confuses me that PETA is against the Humane Societies and other "kill shelters" since they are actually trying to find homes for the animals they take in, but then I suppose PETA is against pets!

WatersMoon110
Crew


Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:29 pm


They won't say it, but they are. There have been reports where they have even stolen animals form peoples homes and front yards and poste don their website that they "rescued" them form an "abusive" home.

I'm a very avid hunter and fisher. I wish I could do it all every year. White tail are very abundent in north carolina where i used to live. Hunters were some times contracted to actualy hunt them instead of doing it just bcause they like hunting. Some years they were a pest...as bad a word as that is to use on such a beautiful animal. I remember my first trip. It was squiarl hunting. It was the first time that I learned squirles bark, not chirp. So if you ever hear somthign like a barkign puppy deep in the woods, it's probably a squirel.

Them guys are rascly and wily eek We chase done squirl through the woods for half an hour. Th eonly reason why I got it was because she was exhausted (it was a female). I felt bad thouh. When we finy got her we piked her up and she had a huge open soar under her right fornt leg. Warble, a worm and a very sickening parasite if injested. The meat was contaminated so I couldn't practice the hunters code i had set up for my selfand taken as an oath. We kept the skin though...I had intended to have a par of ginferless gloves made for my next hunt...but we sent the tailer the measurements and he said the fur was too small. I was actualy really dishearnted to knwo now this animal now died for no good reason. I couldn't keep the skin. I left it with my friend when i lfet NC for Illinois.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:57 pm


Tiger of the Fire
They won't say it, but they are. There have been reports where they have even stolen animals form peoples homes and front yards and poste don their website that they "rescued" them form an "abusive" home.

I'm a very avid hunter and fisher. I wish I could do it all every year. White tail are very abundent in north carolina where i used to live. Hunters were some times contracted to actualy hunt them instead of doing it just bcause they like hunting. Some years they were a pest...as bad a word as that is to use on such a beautiful animal. I remember my first trip. It was squiarl hunting. It was the first time that I learned squirles bark, not chirp. So if you ever hear somthign like a barkign puppy deep in the woods, it's probably a squirel.

Them guys are rascly and wily eek We chase done squirl through the woods for half an hour. Th eonly reason why I got it was because she was exhausted (it was a female). I felt bad thouh. When we finy got her we piked her up and she had a huge open soar under her right fornt leg. Warble, a worm and a very sickening parasite if injested. The meat was contaminated so I couldn't practice the hunters code i had set up for my selfand taken as an oath. We kept the skin though...I had intended to have a par of ginferless gloves made for my next hunt...but we sent the tailer the measurements and he said the fur was too small. I was actualy really dishearnted to knwo now this animal now died for no good reason. I couldn't keep the skin. I left it with my friend when i lfet NC for Illinois.

I've heard squirrels barking, it sounds odd. They also make some sort of territorial yipping noises, and an odd chattering noise when they're curious about you (as opposed to the angry chattering noise when you chase them up a tree *grin*). I've never hunted anything, but one of my mother's friends used to hunt squirrels in the woods behind my mother's house. I don't think I've ever eaten squirrel (I hear it tastes like chicken *wink*), though I've had rabbit.

PETA is just horrible. I find it hard to believe that any group could believe they are sticking up for the rights of animals while at the same time killing thousands of animals!

WatersMoon110
Crew


Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:26 pm


I think the barking, chirping, and churring is cute as hell! 4laugh

The thing they are most famous for besides the chantin of Fur is Murder and cow blood, is what they did to shoe america the horrors of sealing. Seal fur coats are taken form baby seals that still have thier fur, they were once killed by bashing them over the hed and crushing the skull. SHooting them or cutting would ruin the fur, the traders didn't want that. To show the world how cruel this was, guess what PETA did? They killed several baby seals in the same fation and recorded it.

I hate them far more then I do Planned Parenthood...but thats probably despite being pro-life and wishing to to see the furthering of the human race, I feel a stronger connection with other animals more so with humans. And to see the things PETA does I feel...heh, falsely represinted XD.

Seriously, Newkirk is a moron. One of the books I was readinf had her listed as one of the 100 people who are screwing up America (name of the book too XD) She was asked in an interview if she felt humans were animals too. Her reply was arrogant and snotty "I thouat we made that clear by now." She was then asked if that was true, then why is it wrong for humans to eat animals, if animals in the wild eat other animals. Her responce? "Stop with all these nutty questions"

She's a hypocrit too. She heavly opposes medicla testing on animals and the use of products that were tested on animal. She uses penisilen, an animal tested medicine, as do 100s of peta's volenteers. Don't ge me started on ALF and ELF.
PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:52 pm


Tiger of the Fire
I think the barking, chirping, and churring is cute as hell! 4laugh

The thing they are most famous for besides the chantin of Fur is Murder and cow blood, is what they did to shoe america the horrors of sealing. Seal fur coats are taken form baby seals that still have thier fur, they were once killed by bashing them over the hed and crushing the skull. SHooting them or cutting would ruin the fur, the traders didn't want that. To show the world how cruel this was, guess what PETA did? They killed several baby seals in the same fation and recorded it.

I hate them far more then I do Planned Parenthood...but thats probably despite being pro-life and wishing to to see the furthering of the human race, I feel a stronger connection with other animals more so with humans. And to see the things PETA does I feel...heh, falsely represinted XD.

Seriously, Newkirk is a moron. One of the books I was readinf had her listed as one of the 100 people who are screwing up America (name of the book too XD) She was asked in an interview if she felt humans were animals too. Her reply was arrogant and snotty "I thouat we made that clear by now." She was then asked if that was true, then why is it wrong for humans to eat animals, if animals in the wild eat other animals. Her responce? "Stop with all these nutty questions"

She's a hypocrit too. She heavly opposes medicla testing on animals and the use of products that were tested on animal. She uses penisilen, an animal tested medicine, as do 100s of peta's volenteers. Don't ge me started on ALF and ELF.

One of her top members is a diabetic on insulin. Talk about a hypocrite!

I despise PETA, because they lie, kill, and destroy without ever fully thinking through what they are doing. I would bet that almost no one who contributes to PETA is fully aware of what the organization is doing (like killing puppies and throwing them in dumpsters, and supporting people and organizations that blow up labs).

[edit] Because of offtopic-ness, I made a new topic and will link here.
http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=6777097 [/edit]

I was under the impression that Green Peace (slightly less crazy than PETA) was responsible for saving baby fur seals, as they spray paint them green with some organic dye to make them not valuable as furs.

WatersMoon110
Crew


rweghrheh

PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:33 pm


WatersMoon110
I didn't know you hunted! Good for you! I don't hunt, but many of my friends do. I think it is very important that the white tail deer population is controlled, as they are such a problem (since there aren't enough non-human predators to keep them in check).

I am also an animal rights activist, and very, very much against PETA. I support the SPCA and the Humane Societies. It confuses me that PETA is against the Humane Societies and other "kill shelters" since they are actually trying to find homes for the animals they take in, but then I suppose PETA is against pets!


I think hunting is o.k. if they use it for food and not for fun or sport.

I don't like PETA at all, they go too far and I heard that they even killed some of the animals they they were suposed to have saved (not sure if it's true or not) and stories like they broke in pet shops and took the animals.

Alot of animals depend on people and homes in order to survive.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:17 pm


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I didn't know you hunted! Good for you! I don't hunt, but many of my friends do. I think it is very important that the white tail deer population is controlled, as they are such a problem (since there aren't enough non-human predators to keep them in check).

I am also an animal rights activist, and very, very much against PETA. I support the SPCA and the Humane Societies. It confuses me that PETA is against the Humane Societies and other "kill shelters" since they are actually trying to find homes for the animals they take in, but then I suppose PETA is against pets!


I think hunting is o.k. if they use it for food and not for fun or sport.

I don't like PETA at all, they go too far and I heard that they even killed some of the animals they they were suposed to have saved (not sure if it's true or not) and stories like they broke in pet shops and took the animals.

Alot of animals depend on people and homes in order to survive.


It's true.

www.petakillsanimals.com

And its not just some site that uses nfor form other anti-peta sites. They use real documents, quotes, and articles as their sources.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:32 am


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Alot of animals depend on people and homes in order to survive.


True, to an extent. I've had companion birds since I was 8, and I'll continue to take in homeless birds raised in captivity. However, I'd prefer to see the practice of raising them as pets end. If I could take my tiel to Australia and let her loose with a flock of her own, I would, but she doesn't know how to survive in the wild, so it's more humane to keep her with me.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:10 am


I've been a non-monetary quasi-supporter of PeTA for years; I agree with probably 95% of their views and tactics, and I've considered applying for a job there, with my BA in Communications.

Frankly, I think a lot of the negativity from other animal rights groups stems from jealousy. PeTA is the best-known, wealthiest and has the biggest media presence by far. Controversy and shock tactics go very far in the U.S. and elsewhere. It's what people pay attention to. Provoking an emotional response works, and, as with abortion, if the sight of a mangled corpse disturbs you, it's with good reason.

One of the big things in that site that irked me is the "PeTA is indoctrinating your children!" No s**t. Same with people who show kids the "Silent Scream" video, military recruitment videos, or hell, McDonald's commercials. It's all about propaganda--everything in the media. PeTA is far from alone. Why is it okay to tell kids that eating meat is fine but not okay to tell them it isn't? Because it's unpopular? Pro-lifers should know better than that. Morality is not based on popularity.

Children are saddened and horrified at the thought of killing a baby (or fetus, close enough). They're saddened at the thought of killing an animal. Yet many adults aren't? Who are the brainwashed ones here? The ones who refuse to push aside their gut feelings of right and wrong? Is it brainwashing to acknowledge that eating chicken nuggets involves killing an innocent bird? Or is it brainwashing to tell your children that "it's not the same" or "don't think about it?"

If PeTA employees are killing animals for propaganda purposes, they've truly become hypocrites. Same with "pro-lifers" who kill adults. But just because their tactics are wrong doesn't mean their message is. It bothers me that PeTA has so many black marks because they're so well known and often considered THE animal rights organisation. I hope they reform and weed out the misguided, but I do not disagree with their beliefs.

If this were an animal rights organisation critiquing PeTA, I'd be willing to listen, but it's clearly not. They're just another lol-at-the-hippie-freaks website.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:32 am


The problem Zen, isn't with the messages they are sending kids, its how they are doing it. They are telling kids that eatign meat is not only wrong, but that those who kill the animal are ravenous, terreristic merdurers who take extreme pleasure out of it. (Have you actualy read thier little comics?)

I see no problem with telling some one meat eating is wrong and then explaining it with a logical well thought out explination. But the tactics PETA uses is noting short of disgusting. My second Aunt who is no longer part of the family through a divroce with my uncle, was a PETA suporter and worked with the orginisation in NC. The things she told me were scary and made me slightly hae my parents for awhile, that was untill I grew up and started thinkingn for my self.

Right and worng are relatives in regular thought. Whether its right or wrong to kill an animal for sutinince is debatable. As I have already told you, I actualy need a small amount of meat if i want to stay healthy. I'm not alone here either. There are many who have the same problem, their bodies just can process protiens and other vital chemicles from plants the same way they do meat.

No one is saying their messages is wrong. Infact, we're saying exactly what you agree with, that the tactics are wrong. The OCF (Orginisation for COnsumer Freedom) Is not a lol-at-the-hippie-freaks orginisation. They are a lol-at-the-freaks orginisation. What they want is similer to PETA, but opposite at the same time. PETA seeks total and absolute animal liberation. No milk, no buter, nothing dairy, no meat, no pets or companion animals, no zoos, no circuses. No seeign guid dogs or helper animals for the severly disabled. No animal testing that could be usedto find cures for some of the worlds worst desieses as wel as to help other animals as well. Hell, some times it seems they don't even want humans looking at animals. They have even been known to twist riligous doctrin, make it up, twist quotes from famous people, and twist quotes.. The OCF wants people to have choices and not have to live by a single standard. They don't think vegans or vegitarians are crazy. They want those who want meat to have it, and they wants those who don't want meat to e able to abstain from having it. Like many other animal right orginisations, they want the cruelty many animals suffer to end.

The OCF agress with you on pets. Many animals are born into captivity , and so are born into domestication with out the knowledge of how to survive complety on their own. They themselves said in one article when the site first went up that if the animals could be released intot he wild, they would have o problems with it, and would actualy encourage it.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:09 am


La Veuve Zin
I've been a non-monetary quasi-supporter of PeTA for years; I agree with probably 95% of their views and tactics, and I've considered applying for a job there, with my BA in Communications.

Are you even fully aware of exactly what PETA does? What their views and tactics are?

PETA kills almost all of the animals they "liberate". PETA members were found in, I believe North Carolina earlier this year throwing dead puppies in a dumpster, and had more dead dogs in their van as well as a dog "murder" kit. PETA supports people who blow up labs. PETA owns a giant walk in freezer and since they don't eat meat, it can be pretty safely assumed they are using it to store cadavers, and Ingrid has admitted "sometimes the best thing to do for an animal is to humanely put it to sleep".

One of PETA's top members is diabetic and on insulin, which as we all (should) know, was created through animal testing. Ingrid has gone on record stating, "Even if a cure for AIDS were developed through animal testing, we would be against it." But almost all PETA members have used penicillin, which was developed through animal testing.

PETA is against pets, they consider it enslavement of animals. They are also against zoos, guide animals for the blind, and medical animal testing (as well as commercial animal testing). They have been rumored to be faking some of their videos as well.
La Veuve Zin
If PeTA employees are killing animals for propaganda purposes, they've truly become hypocrites. Same with "pro-lifers" who kill adults. But just because their tactics are wrong doesn't mean their message is. It bothers me that PeTA has so many black marks because they're so well known and often considered THE animal rights organisation. I hope they reform and weed out the misguided, but I do not disagree with their beliefs.

PETA kills more animals than the "kill shelters" they protest against. PETA is not THE animal rights organization, because they don't actually do s**t for animals. They are THE protest organization!

I support the ASPCA, because they are the people actually out there who are sticking up for the rights of animals. They find homes for thousands of animals (daily across the country), they are the people who rescue animals from abusive or neglectful situations, and treat those animals. When was the last time PETA put someone in jail for shooting their dog? Oh yeah, never.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:11 am


It was North Carolina. But it was about earlier last year.

And there was a video out there supposeldy "uncovering" the crulty of IAMs when it tatse tested its food with live animals. From what i know, they did fake that one.

Oh, and Waters, remember what you said to me about tonning it down?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:01 pm


WatersMoon110

Are you even fully aware of exactly what PETA does? What their views and tactics are?


I read the petakillsanimals site. Last I checked, killing strays was not part of PETA's official policy. I agree with them that killing healthy animals, except in self-defence, is wrong. I agree that using animals for frivolous reasons, such as for dairy products or in zoos, is wrong. But Newkirk pisses me off and I feel she doesn't speak for the animal rights community. That's why I said I agree with them 95%, not 100%.

In general, I support the ALF/ELF, however, neither is an real organisation, and they don't enforce rules; all you have to do is say you're a member and you are, no one can kick you out because there's no officials or voting or anything. So when someone kills a human and calls themselves part of the ALF, no one can come forward and say "no, they aren't." But the core belief of the ALF/ELF is to defend all life, so harming a human being would be like saying you're a member of the KKK even though you married a Jewish person. Most members will consider you a hypocrite.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:18 am


Tiger of the Fire
It was North Carolina. But it was about earlier last year.

And there was a video out there supposeldy "uncovering" the crulty of IAMs when it tatse tested its food with live animals. From what i know, they did fake that one.

Oh, and Waters, remember what you said to me about tonning it down?

You're right. That was a very angry post. I'm sorry.

My hatred of PETA sometimes (and by "sometimes" I mean "usually") gets in the way of my normal easy-going posting-ness. *wink*
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