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 Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:33 am
Does this actually exist? are there actual spells that can harm people? ive been curious about this for a while because one of my friends has said she wanted to get into this type of wicca. so i guess my question is is it real and what does it consist of thats different to normal wicca?
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:51 am
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:47 pm
Iv heard a lot of different spins on this one. Many people are like "No way, wicca is good, and to proform evil majic will activate the law of three" These are ususaly the ones who are not fluffy, but still have gaps in thier logic. Others are all like "Wicca is about the balence of good and evil, and bieng/doing/worshipping only good is just as unbalenced as bieng/doing/worshipping evil, wich I lean toward the most. And still others are all "If you don't believe in karma, threefold law, ect. it doesn't affect you" To which I usualy replys "truth and belief are a stallion and a mule, dont mix them up" wich is from What Happened to Lani Garver, wich is an awsome book.
Anyway, I think practising purely evil magic is unbalenced and unhealthy, so i'd advise against it... profusely
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:20 pm
I believe that you cant really use Magick for dark purposes and call yourself a wiccan. However you can use your magick for dark purposes and call yourself a Witch. Withes dont have to believe in the Reed and they dont have to believe in Karma. Therefore why not?
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:54 pm
Cirrus Mystallow I believe that you cant really use Magick for dark purposes and call yourself a wiccan. However you can use your magick for dark purposes and call yourself a Witch. Withes dont have to believe in the Reed and they dont have to believe in Karma. Therefore why not? Excuse me? Witches do have a Rede and they believe in Karma. How can you say that? I know plenty of witches, just as I know plenty of wiccan witches. Would you like the Witches Rede. Quote: Hear now the word of the Witch, the secrets once hid in the night, When darkness was for protection, We now bring forth in the light. Mysteries of the Water and Fire, The Earth and the wide-ranging Air, By hidden Quintessence we know them, and we bring honor in silence and fair. The birth and rebirth of all Nature, the passing of Winter and Spring, We share with the life Universal, rejoicing in the never-ending Ring Four times in the year we give homage, come forth the Witches are seen, At Lammas and Candelas we're dancing, so too on May Eve and old Halloween When daytime and nighttime are equal, when sun is at it's greatest and least, The four lesser Sabbats are summoned, again the Witches gather in feast. Thirteen silver moons in a year, thirteen to be the magikal array, Thirteen times at Esbat we make merry, for the work of the night and the day. The knowledge has passed down the ages, each time between woman and man Each century unto the other, old times since the ages began. When drawn in the Magikal circle, by sword or athame of light, It's compass between two worlds opens, in honor and love for this night. Our world has no right to know it, and the world beyond will tell naught, The oldest of Gods are invoked there, the great work of light's Magik is wrought. For two are the mystical pillars, that stand at the gate of the shrine, And two are the powers of Nature, the forms and the forces divine. Do what thou wilt be the challenge, so be it in love that harms none, For this is the only commandment, By wisdom of faith so let it be done.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:33 pm
it's possible to start studying Wicca, for the sole purpose of hurting someone, but anyone who uses magic for harmful purposes cannot be truly called Wiccan. the Rule of Three, however, applies to everyone, whether they are Wiccan, or not, whether they believe or not.
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:23 pm
If your friend wants to get into something just for the ability to HURT people.... I'd advise you to get away from that girl FAST. eek She's obviously a malicious-minded person and is curious about things for all the wrong reasons... She might want to hex some girl for not returning her favorite sweater immediately or to curse an ex boyfriend for daring to dump her. sweatdrop Before that, I'd definitely advise you to tell her that no matter what she does with her craft, it'll come back on her by way of karma, so she's stirring her own pot of bad luck so to speak.
There's also worse things to it.
I read a (fictional) story about a witch who was encouraged to hex a girl... she didn't know what she was really doing and ended up cursing the girl with a subspecies of the 'flesh eating virus' that was currently incurable. She barely cast a removal spell in time to save the other girl's arm. It sent shudders down my spine and I vowed never to do such things to anyone. No one deserves to have such a punishment regardles of their acts.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:27 am
kyrana kirri If your friend wants to get into something just for the ability to HURT people.... I'd advise you to get away from that girl FAST. eek She's obviously a malicious-minded person and is curious about things for all the wrong reasons... She might want to hex some girl for not returning her favorite sweater immediately or to curse an ex boyfriend for daring to dump her. sweatdrop Before that, I'd definitely advise you to tell her that no matter what she does with her craft, it'll come back on her by way of karma, so she's stirring her own pot of bad luck so to speak. There's also worse things to it. I read a (fictional) story about a witch who was encouraged to hex a girl... she didn't know what she was really doing and ended up cursing the girl with a subspecies of the 'flesh eating virus' that was currently incurable. She barely cast a removal spell in time to save the other girl's arm. It sent shudders down my spine and I vowed never to do such things to anyone. No one deserves to have such a punishment regardles of their acts. What being call, 'black magic' doesn't really exist, it's just how we use it. But I agree, we shouldn't hex people, its not right. My dad thinks my mother has hexed him and his girlfriend just because they hate one another, but I don't believe that. My mother barely understands english most of the time! Plus, she'd never touch a book about wicca, but she does buy them for me to learn. Whoever you're friend is, stay away from her! She should seriously not use magic for bad, it's really cruel! She has bad intentions, weather she's you're best friend or not. warn her, and then stay away. She's seriously going to hurt others, and herself mind you. I'd be scared to find out that someone had cast me with a fleash eating spell - grose! I don't think such spells exist though, not in reality. I mean, you could probably make one, but who would have a sick enough mind to? Most spells require alot of consentration and you have to have a stable mind. People, don't do any spells without a circle around you!!! I'd post the circle casting spell my teacher gave me, but at the moment I don't have it. Which reminds me, I still havn't done that Essay she asked... anyone want to help me? The question for the essay is, what would you like to bring to the craft? (aka, what kind of things would you like to bring to the craft, you know like...erm... understanding etc.)
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:24 am
As far as I know, there's no such thing as purely dark/evil Wicca. Like those before me have said, you can't do that and call yourself a Wiccan. And besides, when it comes to Wicca, you can't be like GLinda, good witch of he north, and say, "Are you a good Wiccan or a bad Wiccan?" That's like asking "are you a good Christian, or a bad Christian?" There's shades of gray.
So there's really no such thing as Evil Wicca. I think you friend doesn't really know all that much what Wicca is, because if she did, she would know this. Also, remind her of the Rule of Three. Moi importante.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:21 am
Sweetypop As far as I know, there's no such thing as purely dark/evil Wicca. Like those before me have said, you can't do that and call yourself a Wiccan. And besides, when it comes to Wicca, you can't be like GLinda, good witch of he north, and say, "Are you a good Wiccan or a bad Wiccan?" That's like asking "are you a good Christian, or a bad Christian?" There's shades of gray. So there's really no such thing as Evil Wicca. I think you friend doesn't really know all that much what Wicca is, because if she did, she would know this. Also, remind her of the Rule of Three. Moi importante. so true, and something that i am delighted to notice is that we keep coming back to the Rule of Three. even if you aren't Wiccan, if you're Christian, this comes up, just in a different form. Jesus himself said that people should do unto others as they would have done to them. Also, advise your friend to watch The Craft and warn her that what happened to those girls is an example of the Rule of Three in action. i know this seems kinda really random, but i've had the insane urge to mention The Craft since this thread started...so....yeah
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:43 pm
Thanks to everyone for their comments.
She doesnt actually practice wicca, but she is interested in it. i think another reason she would be more intested in the 'dark/evil' side if you want to call it that of wicca is because she has grown up watching movies and tv shows that are 'gothic' or morbid in some way eg the movie 'May', so she seems to be very productised in what she likes and dislikes.
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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:54 pm
Ginvera Cirrus Mystallow I believe that you cant really use Magick for dark purposes and call yourself a wiccan. However you can use your magick for dark purposes and call yourself a Witch. Withes dont have to believe in the Reed and they dont have to believe in Karma. Therefore why not? Excuse me? Witches do have a Rede and they believe in Karma. How can you say that? I know plenty of witches, just as I know plenty of wiccan witches. Would you like the Witches Rede. Quote: Hear now the word of the Witch, the secrets once hid in the night, When darkness was for protection, We now bring forth in the light. Mysteries of the Water and Fire, The Earth and the wide-ranging Air, By hidden Quintessence we know them, and we bring honor in silence and fair. The birth and rebirth of all Nature, the passing of Winter and Spring, We share with the life Universal, rejoicing in the never-ending Ring Four times in the year we give homage, come forth the Witches are seen, At Lammas and Candelas we're dancing, so too on May Eve and old Halloween When daytime and nighttime are equal, when sun is at it's greatest and least, The four lesser Sabbats are summoned, again the Witches gather in feast. Thirteen silver moons in a year, thirteen to be the magikal array, Thirteen times at Esbat we make merry, for the work of the night and the day. The knowledge has passed down the ages, each time between woman and man Each century unto the other, old times since the ages began. When drawn in the Magikal circle, by sword or athame of light, It's compass between two worlds opens, in honor and love for this night. Our world has no right to know it, and the world beyond will tell naught, The oldest of Gods are invoked there, the great work of light's Magik is wrought. For two are the mystical pillars, that stand at the gate of the shrine, And two are the powers of Nature, the forms and the forces divine. Do what thou wilt be the challenge, so be it in love that harms none, For this is the only commandment, By wisdom of faith so let it be done. The witch rede you have quoted above cant be very old considering none of the names mentioned for the 4 greater sabbats are their original names, eg candelas/candelmas is the christianized/romanized name for Imbolc. Its just my opinion but though content wise the poem seems to communicate moral values it seems more focused on rhyming than giving the proper names. I have also heard of spelling magic as magick but find most books dont bother. Again lammas is a more modern name, the old name was lughnasadh for the festival was in the name of the god Lugh, son of Bel (whom beltaine was named after) just an observation. Out of curiosity where did you get this from?
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:30 am
We witches (I am of course speaking as a Hellenic witch) have no rules for our practice. You can practice Hexs, curses, and smites if you want. You just need to be careful. When cursing, smitting, or hexing you need to make sure there is no room for error in the spell and that it wont come back to you.
Witchcraft is a practice that can be applied to any religion. There are Athesists witches and there are Agnostic witches as well as Christain Witches and Buddhist witches. You do not need to invoke a spirit when doing witchcraft. The belif is the power.
It sounds like your friend is more into and wnat to know more about witchcraft then Wicca. The two have become interchangeable in sociatey. I want to put some what of a stop to that.
Like every one else has said there is no dark magic. It's all about the user's intentions. Magic is magic. We label it for our minds and to make things easier in description. Green magic is still magic magic. It just refers to magic specifically in herbs and the earth.
If she wants to learn hexs and curses let her. Just dont let her call it Wicca. It's witchcraft not wicca. Witchcraft=/=Wicca.
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:42 am
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:52 am
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