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 Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:53 pm
I don't know if this happens a lot where you guys live, but at my school a large percentage of students have a jewish parent or grandparent but do not practice any aspects of the faith themselves.
For example: Girl 1 has never attended synogogue, knows nothing about the beliefs of the religion, the history of the people, and has never attended any sort of religious school. She does, however, attend church sometimes. She calls herself Jewish because her dad is and she uses hannukah as an excuse to get more presents.
Boy 1 spends his time doodling swatstikas on his friends arms for no better reason than liking the shape. When I approach him about it, he says it's ok because he is "half jewish."
Girl 2 HAS attended synogogue/had a bat mitzvah (through the messianic movement), and is "half jewish." As a compromise, her family goes to the messianic synogogue. She picks and chooses which parts of the religion to observe and which parts not to. She used to wear a mogen david, but has since stopped. When asked if she is Jewish or Christian, she answers "both." However, it seems fairly clear that she is, for the most part, very christian.
Do you know people like this? How do you resist the urge to shout? Do you even encounter the urge?
Do you consider them Jewish if they show no attachment to the religion? Do you believe in "Jews as a race"?
I think that is quite enough spoon for you.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:05 pm
I know people who say they are jewish when their dad's are jewish and I like just being mean and saying they arent because it goes by the mother xp
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:17 am
I'm not a religious person. To be honest I don't have much to do with the Jewish faith and I've never claimed to have anything to do with it. I do suppose that growing up in Israel, speaking Hebrew, being exposed mainly to Jewish culture and having my own connection to Jewish history make me a part of the Jewish people; I do not, however, walk around with a magen David claiming Judaism is the one and only truth. I have my own ways to relate to it, yet none of them seems to be religious. Jews are a nation / people, as well, Wikipedia Common descent [...] * the nation may be defined as the descendants of the past inhabitants of the national homeland * the nation may be defined as the descendants of past speakers of the national language, or past groups which shared the national culture. [..] Common language A shared language is often used as a defining feature of a nation (that is, apart from its value in facilitating communication among the members). In some cases the language is exclusive to the nation, and may be central to the national identity. [...] Common culture Most nations are partly defined by a shared culture. Unlike a language, a national culture is usually unique to the nation, although it may include many elements shared with other nations. Additionally, the national culture is assumed to be shared with previous generations, and includes a cultural heritage from these generations, as if it were an inheritance. As with the common ancestry, this identification of past culture with present culture may be largely symbolic. [...] Common religion Religion is sometimes used as a defining factor for a nation, although some nationalist movements de-emphasize it as a divisive factor. Again it is the fact that the religion is shared, that makes it national. It may not be exclusive: [...] Some religions are specific to one ethnic group, notably Judaism. Nevertheless, the Zionist movement generally avoided a religious definition of the 'Jewish people', preferring an ethnic and cultural definition. Since Judaism is a religion, people can become a Jew by religious conversion, which in turn can facilitate their obtaining Israeli citizenship. Jews in Israel who convert to other religions do not thereby lose Israeli citizenship, although their national identity might then be questioned by others. Voluntary definitions (will) Some ideas of a nation emphasise not shared characteristics, but rather on the shared choice for membership. [...]
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:34 am
I don't think it's about who's more Jewish than whom. Honestly, they each have a connection to Jewish heritage(no matter how tenuous), and good for them. I'm more worried about myself and my own connection to my faith, and I don't concern myself with others.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:02 am
I totally know what you mean!
For me:
Girl 1 sits at my lunch table. She's very nice, but "partially Jewish" because her mom was. She doesn't celebrate Judaism, goes to Church, but still insists she's Jewish. If you don't actually believe in it, what's the point of saying you're Jewish?
Boy 1 is the most annoying kid in the world- he uses being Jewish as a way to brag or get attention, and rather is an insult to Jews. Ex: He calls himself "Jewperman" and created "Jew-gi-oh" Cards..
They can insist that they're Jewish all they want, but if they don't believe in it and don't even practice it, I don't think it's right to call them Jewish. If you want to get all technical, I guess they are, but that still doesn't make it right.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:39 am
 what do yousay about this shirt? i <3 it personally... i don't think it's meant to insult jews... i am trying to get one of those, and i am sure i will in my next visit in jerusalem... here in israel, or in my school to be more exact, people are or jews or Atheists, but we try to respect any opinion... one thing i didn't like for example is a teacher saying "the Atheists kids here are good people, but if they were jews they would be much better". i can't see how is that... each religion should be respected... i am personally jew but i won't go and try to convience people to be jews... its my own belief... alot of people also are both jews and Atheists cause their nation is jewish and their religion is Atheism... i have Atheist friends, they know enough to say "i am not jew" and i appriciate them for that, they though know perfectly why they aare not jews, and know more about judism than i do... so i guess i didn't get to any situation like that...
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:32 pm
These are the people that make me say "how can you say your jewish, and say Chaya aint" cuz Chaya rules all.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:50 pm
Akhilles These are the people that make me say "how can you say your jewish, and say Chaya aint" cuz Chaya rules all. >.> like me chaya or like <.< some other chaya that i'm just being egocentric and thinking you're talking about me ::gives you a cookie either way::
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:48 pm
I used to get annoyed at people like that, until it was applied to me.
I was on a Young Judea trip in Israel a few years back and one of the boys said I wasn't Jewish because my mom and dad weren't born Jewish. WTF.
I was born Jewish. My mom went through the conversion process before my brother and I were even born. I was raised Jewish. I had my Bat-Mitzvah. I had my Confirmation. I go to synagogue when I'm able, but school gets in the way a lot. I think God will forgive.
He didn't like that I was Reform, though, and so I just wasn't Jewish enough for him.
=/
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:09 pm
I can't stand people like that. It's like, no, you cannot call yourself something if you never practice any aspect of it. My mother is like that, and i'll confess, it urks me slightly. Like, she's all, "I'm Jewish." And then goes on to say she doesn't believe in G-d, and the like, doesn't go to Temple, and stopped going to Hebrew school at the ripe ole' age of eight. I, however, strongly believe in...well, you know, I attend a Jewish high school, and practice most every aspect of the Jewish religion. Anyway, I totally agree with you. :]
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:17 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont Akhilles These are the people that make me say "how can you say your jewish, and say Chaya aint" cuz Chaya rules all. >.> like me chaya or like <.< some other chaya that i'm just being egocentric and thinking you're talking about me ::gives you a cookie either way:: of course im talking about you you shmuck!
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:23 pm
There is an old saying, "A Jew is a Jew is a Jew"
Here is a Poem on the subject:
The Jew is a Jew
and was always a Jew.
But you also knew
that reform Jews are Jews.
And a conservative is a Jew.
And the convert’s a Jew.
And the messianic's a Jew.
And the secular Jew is a Jew.
But what will next prove to be a Jew
will finally ensue.
But you, of course, are a Jew.
And were always a Jew.
Shut not your doors, proud peoples.
There’s a welcome at the Shabbos table.
For G-d chose us all together.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:38 pm
I sometimes wanna say the J4J's arent jews when I see them trying to get my fellow jewish friends to accept christ... confused
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:17 pm
Donovinhs Knight I sometimes wanna say the J4J's arent jews when I see them trying to get my fellow jewish friends to accept christ... confused J4J's confuse me. I thought for a long time about being J4J considering I was raised kind of Christian. Of course, my parents never attended church or anything, therefore my relationship with God, was with God. I quickly decided against J4J considering Jesus never had a huge impact in my life. *Shrug* What I don't understand is why some of them are so...forceful on other Jews about their beliefs.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:29 pm
kingpinsqeezels Donovinhs Knight I sometimes wanna say the J4J's arent jews when I see them trying to get my fellow jewish friends to accept christ... confused J4J's confuse me. I thought for a long time about being J4J considering I was raised kind of Christian. Of course, my parents never attended church or anything, therefore my relationship with God, was with God. I quickly decided against J4J considering Jesus never had a huge impact in my life. *Shrug* What I don't understand is why some of them are so...forceful on other Jews about their beliefs. We always said "the difference between messianic and J4J is J4Js make more noise."
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