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 Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:48 am
First alchemy.
Alchemy is the altering of energies in which you use your own willpower to manipulate objects. Alchemy circles only help with the alteration it is more then 100% posible to do alchemy without a circle.
Next Energy manipulation.
Energy manipulation is the controll of differant energies by using ones willpower to move energies.
How about some magick?,
Magick is the alteration of energies by using willpower and the help from other beings(Gods, Godessses, or who ever).
Alittle Necromancy for ya.
The use of energy to alter/observe the state of the dead.
Astral projection anyone?,
Astral projection is the transfer of the conious mind from the physical body to the energetic body(Astral body).
Kinetics,
The manipultion of physical energy in some form or another.
There is more but I dont feel like typing it all out.
If anyone wants to learn more about any of these just ask.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:04 pm
Alchemy. I'd much like to learn more about that.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:33 pm
Astral projection, of course! ^_^ I won't stop talking about it until I learn how to do it effectively, and probably not even then.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 3:36 pm
I might as well ask.
So, in your opinion, the only difference between magick and alchemy, though they are very closely related, is that magick requires help from some sort of diety? That's interesting, because many people I've talked to have said that magick dosen't require a diety (though it's all based on personal preference). So are they talking about just alchemy?
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 2:56 am
Pageantry Alchemy. I'd much like to learn more about that. Here is how to make an alchemy circle. First you need a containment field which is usualy a circle. Next You need to locate the center and put a little dot there and depending on the size of the result wanted you put a circle around the center dot. For each item used in the transumation you put a circle next to the center circle and make sure it doesnt touch the center circle. Next you conect each circle to eachother and the outer and midle circles. Thats basicly what you need to do.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:04 am
Darin Rosewood Astral projection, of course! ^_^ I won't stop talking about it until I learn how to do it effectively, and probably not even then. Astral projection can be acheaved many ways. One being that you meditate on your conious mind leaving your body. Another is Focusing on your energetic body leaving your physical body. And the easiest I know, Right before you fall asleep consentrate on your aura and start to kinda push your energy away from your body and try to fall asleep. It doesnt always work but its easy.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:08 am
DrasBrisingr I might as well ask. So, in your opinion, the only difference between magick and alchemy, though they are very closely related, is that magick requires help from some sort of diety? That's interesting, because many people I've talked to have said that magick dosen't require a diety (though it's all based on personal preference). So are they talking about just alchemy? Well yes I mean when you think of alchemy what do you think? Do you think its chemicals? Or how about transforming matter into another shape? Or posibly do you think its something totaly differant. Look at how magick works, You use energy to manipulate other energies. And how alchemy works, You use energy to manipulate other energies. Now you must remember everything is made of energy including matter.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:21 pm
In this situation: you say magick, and I say Thaumaturgy (or maybe just theurgy).
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:32 pm
The FLCL Guy DrasBrisingr I might as well ask. So, in your opinion, the only difference between magick and alchemy, though they are very closely related, is that magick requires help from some sort of diety? That's interesting, because many people I've talked to have said that magick dosen't require a diety (though it's all based on personal preference). So are they talking about just alchemy? Well yes I mean when you think of alchemy what do you think? Do you think its chemicals? Or how about transforming matter into another shape? Or posibly do you think its something totaly differant. Look at how magick works, You use energy to manipulate other energies. And how alchemy works, You use energy to manipulate other energies. Now you must remember everything is made of energy including matter. Wow, I was sure I replied to this topic a few hours ago...damn, I must be losing my mind. But if they are essentially the same thing, where do you draw the line between the two? Is all of magick alchemy, and all of alchemy magick? I feel like I'm just digging myself deeper into a hole. Edit: Wait...damnit Khalida, now you've got to explain this "Thaumaturgy" you speak of.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:59 pm
Thaumaturgy comes from the Greek words for "wonder" (thauma) and "work" (ergon). A practitioner of thaumaturgy is a thaumaturgist or thaumaturge (ie, a wonder-worker).
Now what it is:
First off, it is highly related to theurgy (which I'll go into next... likely followed by sciomancy...). In a sense it is the physical/visible manifestation of theurgy.
In some cases it is considered "low" in that it can be used for personal gain et cetera. However, as it can also be rendered to do great deeds, it could also be considered a "high." Basically what thaumaturgy is... is... a manipulation of the higher levels of existance in order to bring change to lower levels of existance. Most common method being calling upon a supreme being (God, Goddess, what ever) to make the changes for you. Thus magick (being spelled with the k is actually something that Crowley started, supposedly) in the sense that FLCL describes it is really thaumaturgy.
Theurgy: Rituals et cetera calling upon a deity, just like thaumaturgy, only the effect is supposed to be an entirely spiritual one. Spiritual meaning that it is not directly manifesting/affecting the material part of existance.
Sciomancy would appear to be what FLCL refers to when he says necromancy.
Sciomancy:
Simply the observation of or communication with the dead in order to gain information or predict the future.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:20 pm
Khalida Nyoka Thaumaturgy comes from the Greek words for "wonder" (thauma) and "work" (ergon). A practitioner of thaumaturgy is a thaumaturgist or thaumaturge (ie, a wonder-worker). Now what it is: First off, it is highly related to theurgy (which I'll go into next... likely followed by sciomancy...). In a sense it is the physical/visible manifestation of theurgy. In some cases it is considered "low" in that it can be used for personal gain et cetera. However, as it can also be rendered to do great deeds, it could also be considered a "high." Basically what thaumaturgy is... is... a manipulation of the higher levels of existance in order to bring change to lower levels of existance. Most common method being calling upon a supreme being (God, Goddess, what ever) to make the changes for you. Thus magick (being spelled with the k is actually something that Crowley started, supposedly) in the sense that FLCL describes it is really thaumaturgy. Theurgy: Rituals et cetera calling upon a deity, just like thaumaturgy, only the effect is supposed to be an entirely spiritual one. Spiritual meaning that it is not directly manifesting/affecting the material part of existance. Sciomancy would appear to be what FLCL refers to when he says necromancy. Sciomancy: Simply the observation of or communication with the dead in order to gain information or predict the future. Ok, that...pretty much makes sense...Sort of. I don't know...I really am just digging myself deeper here.
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:53 pm
I can try and answer questions about the things I've mentioned, but other stuff is FLCL's domain (for this thread)
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:06 am
DrasBrisingr The FLCL Guy DrasBrisingr I might as well ask. So, in your opinion, the only difference between magick and alchemy, though they are very closely related, is that magick requires help from some sort of diety? That's interesting, because many people I've talked to have said that magick dosen't require a diety (though it's all based on personal preference). So are they talking about just alchemy? Well yes I mean when you think of alchemy what do you think? Do you think its chemicals? Or how about transforming matter into another shape? Or posibly do you think its something totaly differant. Look at how magick works, You use energy to manipulate other energies. And how alchemy works, You use energy to manipulate other energies. Now you must remember everything is made of energy including matter. Wow, I was sure I replied to this topic a few hours ago...damn, I must be losing my mind. But if they are essentially the same thing, where do you draw the line between the two? Is all of magick alchemy, and all of alchemy magick? I feel like I'm just digging myself deeper into a hole. Edit: Wait...damnit Khalida, now you've got to explain this "Thaumaturgy" you speak of. Yes they are nearly the samething the line is drawn at how you do it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:37 am
Then I'm curious where the distinction is. ^_^
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:02 pm
Khalida Nyoka Then I'm curious where the distinction is. ^_^ Yeah...FLCL, can you give us an example of a ritual/practice that would be alchemy and not magick, or magick and not alchemy? Or both would be good.
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