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I thought these quotes were very interesting and they are from a book called "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer It's Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90s" by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen (homosexual activists)

"As cynical as it may seem, AIDS gives us a chance, however brief, to establish ourselves as a victimized minority legitimately deserving of America's special protection and care. At the same time it generates mass hysteria of precisely the sort that has brought about public stonings and leper colonies since the Dark Ages and before...How can we maximize the sympathy and minimize the fear? How given the horrid hand that AIDS has dealt us, can we best play it?"

"The campaign we outline in this book, though complex, depends centrally upon a program of unabashed propaganda, firmly grounded in long-established principles of psychology and advertising."

"To one extent or another, the separability - and manipulability - of the verbal label is the basis for all the abstract principles underlying our proposed campaign."

"When you're very different and people hate you for it - this is what you do: first you get your foot in the door, by being as similar as possible; then, and only then - when your one little difference is finally accepted - can you start dragging in your other peculiarities, one by one."

"The main thing is to talk about gayness until the issue becomes thoroughly tiresome."

"We mean conversion of the average American's emotions, mind, and will, through planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media. We mean "subverting" the mechanism of prejudice to our own ends - using the very processes that made Americans hate us to turn their hatred into warm regard- whether they like it or not." eek

"In Conversion, we mimic the natural process of stereotype-learning, with the following effect: we take the bigot's good feelings about all-right guys, and attach them to the label "gay", either weakening or, eventually, replacing his bad feelings toward the label and the prior stereotype...

Whereas in Jamming the target is shown a bigot being rejected by his crowd for his prejudice against gays, in Conversion the target is shown his crowd actually associating with gays in good fellowship. Once again, it's very difficult for the average person, who, by nature and training, almost invarialbe feels what he sees his fellows feeling, not to respond in this knee-jerk fashion to a sufficiently calculated advertisement."

"It makes no difference that the ads are lies, eek not to us, because we're using them to ethically good effect, to counter negative stereotypes that are every bit as much lies, and far more wicked ones."

"Famous historical figures are considered especially useful to us for two reasons: first they are invariably dead as a doornail, hence in no position to deny the truth and sue for libel. Second, and more serious, the virtues and accomplishments that make these historic gay figures admirable cannot be gainsaid or dismissed by the public, since high school textbooks have already set them in incontrovertible cement."

"We argue that , for all practical purposes, gays should be considered to have been born gay even though sexual orientation, for most humans , seems to be the product of a complex interaction between innate predispositions and environmental factors during childhood and early adolescence." eek

"To suggest in public that homosexuality might be chosen is open to a can of worms labeled 'moral choices and sin' and give the religious intransigents a stick to beat us with. Straights must be taught that it is as natural for some persons to be homosexual as it is for others to be heterosexual: wickedness and seduction have nothing to do with it."

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

Ephesians 5:13
But everything exposed by the light becomes visible,

2 Corinthians 4:2
Rather, we have renounced secret and shameful ways; we do not use deception, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by setting forth the truth plainly we commend ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Romans 16:18
For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

In such a short time, what have we been sold? eek

It is so important to know the root of these things and expose them. I was sold to the homosexuality movement when it started on the talk shows and the gay movement played the victim role extremely well.

I do not agree with homosexuals being beaten up or called names or treated differently from other people. I disagree with not recognizing homosexuality as sin. Everyone struggles with sin, but to be robbed of the opportunity to repent is critical. None of us are perfect and we have to bring our sins to be covered by the perfect blood of Jesus daily. I don't care if you have to get on your knees daily and beg forgiveness to Jesus for a sin that seems to be not instantaneously disappearing. I don't consider for a moment to call sin in my life something that I was born with because it's a sin I struggle with all the days of my life.

Yes, for example, I struggle with overeating. At first I thought that I was born this way because I didn't seem to be able to stick with diets or exercise regimes. I would pray to God to make me thin and He would not answer because He knew I was looking to Him for an instant miracle instead of recognizing it for what it was- sin. You see food was my idol and God was saying "You can't have two gods- only One." There is not a day that goes by now that I don't recognize overeating and turning to food as sin. I bring that sin daily to God and He is forgiving and in His mercy He helps me to overcome in steps. And yes, there are those who do not recognize obesity as sin and consider themselves born that way (not to ignore some med. conditions that result in obesity). Mine is not a med. condition- it is sin.

Sin is sin, but it's not without hope because Jesus died for all sins and repentance is key to receiving forgiveness. So I very much agree with "Love the sinner, but hate the sin." Dress it up any way you want to, change the wording- it's still sin.

Well there being no more deceiving than the repub.s who are trying to ban gay marriage, and it's our duty to give everyone a chance, gay or not. What is true is that America has been feed lies and not only does God not hate gays, but God also doesn't look at homosexuality as higher than any other sin. Hating gay people would be much more sinful than letting them marry if letting them marry is a sin at all. Just because they're gay doesn't mean they deserve to have the benefits of marriage takin away nor do they diserve disrespect by calling their marriage something different than we call ours.

I was listening to the local Christian radio station...and they said that being homosexual isn't your fault...aren't you just born that way?

I don't hate gay people and I think me and you had a nice heated discussion over this one once that was quickly resolved after a misunderstanding yes? I don't hate gay people, don't approve of the lifestyle, but I don't hate them. I have friends who are gay and my brother is gay. I still lvoe him and he knows that. We actually went out to lunch the other day on me. Chinese actually, it was good. Anyways back to the point. Yea I have no hate for them except for certain gay guys make me uncomfortable and that's just due to certain behavoir and personality types. And one I don't believe they should have gay marriage. Sorry but I guess you can call me a Conservative and traditional, don't care. I believe marriage is define for man and woman only. And I don't believe it should change. They can have a civil union but for it to be called a marriage, I don't agree with. I don't even see why it's a big deal for them to push so hard. I know a lot of people out here they don't get [married]. They say their vows and give each other a ring, but thats it. They promise to stay with each other forever and blah.

Apparently not that hard because gay marriage in most states, at least from what i here, is still illegal yes? It's already in favor of the congress and whatever to keep it out, so the people opposing it don't have to push so hard. If they are fighting for the rights, no problem with it. I don't think it should come to past but they have the right to fight for it. But that book talking about deceiving people whether they like it or not, that is rather immoral which is why I say throw in the trash...Or burn it and have some roasted marshmallows. (I had some today and want some more sorry ^_^)

I agree with Sara and Luc. The Bible says one man and one woman. And remember the sin of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. I think it was pretty clearly stated in that passage where the two angels were visiting Lot to try to get him to flee the city that what the townsmen wanted to do was wrong, and it was homosexuality. Not sure where that is though. I'll find it. But anyways, I think a true Biblical marriage is one man, one wife.

That does not mean, however that we must rail against those who think differently. They are not trash. They are sinners just like you and me who need to see God's light. I think that many times people automatically assume that those who believe that homosexuality is wrong hates those people, which is so not true! I have some bi friends, and I still love them as we are called to do. But the best thing we can do is to just be an example and not try to force our views on them.

No, what I meant was not doing what a lot of people think Christians do, hounding them and saying, "You are going to hell if you don't repent" or "Homosexuality is such a bad sin, you had better stop" or "You are a bad person for doing that". Thats basically judgement, and a lot of people think that thats what a Christian does, judges. But if we would just show them God's love and gently correct them, then a lot of things would be better.