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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:09 pm
Does anyone else here celebrate Christmas? Any thoughts on it? Why it should, or shouldnt be celebrated? My family just celebrates the gift-giving, coming together as a family, helping others part of it, not the Jesus was born on Dec.25 part.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 6:11 am
I was told Christmas, Halloween and some other holidays are Haram.
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:18 pm
Well, what do you think? Why do you think it's wrong?
It's not haram if you're just celebrating comign together as a family/community and exchanging gifts, or dressing up in silly costumes to get free candy.
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:36 pm
they are haram. but dont think those celebrations are not allowed just for that event.
for example, Halloween is not allowed because in Islam we shouldn't do anything in witchcraft because it its black magic of the devil. or something around that lines.
But personally i dont believe in christmas, because it doesnt exsist anymore. Christmas was entirly aimed about Jesus (PBUH [is that it?]) and his birth. Okay now when was the last time you saw something religiously related. So ive got my own theory that Christmas (religious) has now entirly turned into Xmas (Commersialised) simply because of all the toys, presents and just getting time off. Even the stories of Scrooge to teach people not to be greedy have been swayed aside. Same goes for halloween and easter, free candy for the kids and pockets of cash for the costume industries.
Thats what i think.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:16 am
[Arcon] they are haram. but dont think those celebrations are not allowed just for that event. for example, Halloween is not allowed because in Islam we shouldn't do anything in witchcraft because it its black magic of the devil. or something around that lines. But personally i dont believe in christmas, because it doesnt exsist anymore. Christmas was entirly aimed about Jesus (PBUH [is that it?]) and his birth. Okay now when was the last time you saw something religiously related. So ive got my own theory that Christmas (religious) has now entirly turned into Xmas (Commersialised) simply because of all the toys, presents and just getting time off. Even the stories of Scrooge to teach people not to be greedy have been swayed aside. Same goes for halloween and easter, free candy for the kids and pockets of cash for the costume industries. Thats what i think. But not everyone's like that. Some people actually like giving more than recieving. I know, not many people are like that nowadays, but they're still out there.
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:49 pm
x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x [Arcon] they are haram. but dont think those celebrations are not allowed just for that event. for example, Halloween is not allowed because in Islam we shouldn't do anything in witchcraft because it its black magic of the devil. or something around that lines. But personally i dont believe in christmas, because it doesnt exsist anymore. Christmas was entirly aimed about Jesus (PBUH [is that it?]) and his birth. Okay now when was the last time you saw something religiously related. So ive got my own theory that Christmas (religious) has now entirly turned into Xmas (Commersialised) simply because of all the toys, presents and just getting time off. Even the stories of Scrooge to teach people not to be greedy have been swayed aside. Same goes for halloween and easter, free candy for the kids and pockets of cash for the costume industries. Thats what i think. But not everyone's like that. Some people actually like giving more than recieving. I know, not many people are like that nowadays, but they're still out there. My family and I don't get together for like the 'christmas christmas'. We just enjoy our vacation time. And this year, Eidul-Adha is supposed to be on New year's eve, I think. And I pose a question about thanksgiving. Isn't it okay to have a day to be thankful (we should be thankful to Allah every day, by the way).
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:05 pm
Yeah. I mean, Thanksgiving is all about being thankful for what you have! There's no problem with that.
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:07 pm
If you think about the history and anatomy of Christmas, it's the celebration of the brith of Jesus Christ. And when you think about it deeper, Americans place presents under this pine tree to symbolize him. And also, a star is placed on the top of this pine tree to represent an angel. Christmas is a holiday based on Christianity because it's all about the birth of Christ and so on. If you don't believe me then look by the Churches and you'll see plastic statues of a woman and man holding a baby figure.
In Islam, Ramadan is our "Christmas." It's a time where we should be thankful for what we have and think of the unfortunate by fasting. Also in Ramadan is also a time where you should get rid of some old stuff in your house and bring in new stuff. Like some new furniture, or a new set of clothes. Something special. And also, it's tradition for a husband to give some money to his wife and his children. Christmas is entirely based on Christianity, so if I were you, I'd stop celebrating it and put Ramadan before anything.
Halloween. Hmm. Not really a holiday supporting evil ideas or witchcraft. But it's a silly holiday. I don't celebrate it and that saves my household lots of money and time =D
Thanks Giving. Personally, my family celebrates it. It's NOT a religious holiday like Christmas is (again, which is based on CHRISTIANITY). Thanks Giving is the celebration of the Pilgirms of the Mayflower giving thanks to the Indian Tribe that helped them grow their crops and who gave them tons of advice on how to live. Thanks Giving is a historical holiday. And also, it's my Brother's birthday. So it's a Turkey instead of a cake. Or it's a Turkey and a small cake. Woo. xD
You know, as a Muslim, you are supposed to study or shall I say dissect every holiday that an American celebrates. Study the origin, history, and anatomy of it. The ideas of it I mean. Just because almost every American celebrates Christmas doesn't mean you have to. And I get incredibly aggrevated when people ask me why I don't celebrate Christmas. I will ask them "Well. Do you celebrate Kwanzaa? Or Hanukah? No. You don't. So please don't question why I don't celebrate frickin' Christmas." and this is to people who have TOTAL ignorance about holidays celebrated in America.
Excuse my typos. >__>;'
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:58 pm
But people you're don't celebrate christmas based on what it has been created from. I still don't see how giving presents under a tree and putting lights on your house is haram.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:28 pm
x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x But people you're don't celebrate christmas based on what it has been created from. I still don't see how giving presents under a tree and putting lights on your house is haram. Okay. Study the A N A T O M Y of it. It's ChristmasGet it? Christmas? It has Christ in it. In Islam we don't really celebrate the birthdate of a Prophet. Now when it comes to Prophet Mohammad some Muslims do celebrate his birthdate but not in the form of buying tons of gifts and placing them under the tree. Celebrating the birthdate of Prophet Mohammad is incredibly always under debate. We do not know Prophet Mohammad's exact birthdate and we don't care. As for Christmas, it should be obvious. But it's not ticking to you... And actually, cutting a tree instead of leaving it alone where it SHOULD be is haraam. No one cares about the birth of Christ. This is why some people believe that Christians go to far with the Jesus Christ thing and some people even believe that they only worship Jesus Christ instead of GOD. Christmas is the birth of Christ. Duh. Why do you think everybody is merry, happy, drinking their brains out, signing, stuffing their faces, and pampering themselves with gifts. It's a Christian based Holiday. You are Muslim. You need to understand that. Because as far as I know, I understand it perfectly xDDD! No offense or anything. But I see nothing hard with understanding that. I'm proud I don't celebrate Christmas. And if anyone ever asks me why I don't. Then I will reply "Hmm. Do you celebrate Kwanzaa? Hanukah? No you don't. So don't ask me why." Simply put. I'm not Christian therefore I WON'T celebrate a Chrisitian based holiday in order just to "fit in." It's pointless, a waste of time, and just simply pathetic. Harr.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:30 am
Well i dont know but, ive been told once a phrase the prohphet said i no it in arabic though soo im not sure i can type it O_o;; but it goes something like 'those who act like a certain group of people become one of them' soo its basically like, if you celebrate or do anything special on christmas its like you are acting like a christian and therefore thats how god looks upon you...sooo you only get to celebrate the islamic holidays and stuff... but hey..you can make family reunions everytime not only on christmass.. God said we should be close with our family everytime and not only on holidays! 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:50 am
But what are you celebrating when you put presents under a tree? Christmas is celebrating a prophet's birthday, and we don't do that. Putting presents under a tree isa Christmas thing.
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Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:01 pm
.a.r.a.s.h.i. But what are you celebrating when you put presents under a tree? Christmas is celebrating a prophet's birthday, and we don't do that. Putting presents under a tree isa Christmas thing. No it's not. It's just giving gifts to people you care about! Some people may celebrate "Jesus's birth" on that day, but that doesn't mean everyone does!! And as long as you do not intend to celebrate it in that way, all it becomes is a time for families to come together and put up decorations and get out of school for two weeks!
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Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:09 pm
lol..."Christmas. Thousands of trees will die!"
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 1:33 pm
x.X.Innocent Passion.X.x .a.r.a.s.h.i. But what are you celebrating when you put presents under a tree? Christmas is celebrating a prophet's birthday, and we don't do that. Putting presents under a tree isa Christmas thing. No it's not. It's just giving gifts to people you care about! Some people may celebrate "Jesus's birth" on that day, but that doesn't mean everyone does!! And as long as you do not intend to celebrate it in that way, all it becomes is a time for families to come together and put up decorations and get out of school for two weeks! Yes it is. It's on December the 25th. That is the so called celebration of the birth of Christ. You ARE celebrating the birth of Christ just by participating in "decorating your house, and giving out gifts" as you recall. If you want to "give gifts to people whom you care about, decorate your house, and etc," do it on another date. As I said, Ramadan is our sort of Christmas, it's better than Christmas. Christmas is a shietty Holiday for s**t-faced people. Simple. Ramadan is when gifts are given out. And what's more is that you become greatful for what you HAVE every year when you fast. In Ramadan (yes I will repeat myself) it's a tradition to throw up some old furnitute such as a small sofa and buy a new one. It's a time to start something new. When I read at what you say, I disregard you as a Muslim. Is your Mother Christian or something? Because I am getting mixed signals here. When I read at what you say, I simply laugh at how stupid you think. If I made a poll asking the members of MUG if they celebrate Christmas, you would be the only one. It's rediculous. How can you be Muslim and celebrate Christmas? It's Christ-mas. You see Christ in it? Can you read? Have you the mind of a kafir? I mean seriously what the hell is so hard to understand the concept of CHRIST-mas. CHRIST for Christian. We don't celebrate the birthdate of any Prophet and frankly we don't care for their birthdates. We just care for their importance toward Islam. If you don't celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ then why are you celebrating an "event" you recall, on December the 25th? Why can't you do this "event" of gift giving and etc during Ramadan? Think about it. Since I have nothing else to say. I'll say that you are the kind of Muslim that likes to drop their culture, and religion just to fit in with the koofar. And that is what you are doing by celebrating an "event" on December the 25th. Your excuses for celebrating an "Event" on December the 25th keep getting worse. No excuses should be stated. Stop celebrating a shietty holiday for s**t-faced people. You are not Christian.
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