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(If I'm suposed to ask for permission to post or something, please tell me! I'm very nervous!)

Okay, hi. I'm Eliana, year old member, but long time non-poster. I've never been very religous, and just last month I joined a temple and started the praying and stuff (Ultra-Orthodox Jews, please don't mind my bad language). So news about the war in Israel, I'm starting to think about it. But I'm more thinking about the tensions between Judasim and Islam. And it's kinda sad.

I mean, we're both pratically survivors of the Christians' wars, like the Crusades. Mostly Muslims were killed, but Jews also got their fair share of prejudce. And Spain and Queen Isabella and all that. The Moors (Arabs) and Jews were both prosecuted against and kicked out of the country.

Of course, theirs alwasy been Anti-Semeticism in Persia, and I'm sure in the Jewish community there was pleanty of hate towards the Muslims, no matter if they were Anti-Semetic or not.

Really, Christians really turned us against each other in the first place, telling the Jews they should got to Israel/Palestine without talking with the Muslims about it. I'm not saying I dont believe in the country of Israel, I love Israel. Just, I can see why the Muslims are mad at Israel (ofcourse, that's no excuse for the killings. On either side).

I'm sorry if you have no idea what I'm talking about. Here's it in summary: Since we've been persecuted against by the Christians for so long, why don't we get together and be friends?

If I sound like Barney, I'm dearly sorry. Oh man, I really hope I didn't offend anyone. If I did, I'm sorry!!! As I mentioned in the beginning, I'm nervous.

Actually, until relatively recent times, the Jews and Muslims got along swimmingly. We were right there with them when they had their golden age. Jewish learning was at one of its peak periods under the persian and arab rules, and together both cultures studied and translated Greek literature, advanced science and mathematics, and all that fun stuff the Western Christian culture stole after the Crusades.

That's really the saddest part about all this mess now. Unfortunately, no one seems to remember this part of our mutual pasts.

The thing with the blacks was different...it was isolated to the south. The problem in the middle east is region wide hatred. And a big part of the hatred is their...twisted version of the religion they supposedly follow

I might remind people that the crusades didnt happen untill muslims already started encroaching on europe and sacking one of the christian holy sites in jerusalem,p untill then peace was all around. So the cause of the current state of affairs is mutual to both christians and muslims

It was not just restricted to the south. Blacks were only being descrimnated out right in the south, but in the north, sad to say, there was rasicm, like the race riots in Chicago in the early 20th century. Now, rasicm is still around, but there's more laws stopping it and more civil rights.

Out of the Middle East, there's still tensions between the Jews and Muslims, but it's less bad. The Islamic Federation of America (or something like that, I'm very sorry I can't remember names!) is very tolerant to Jews, the leader even having a Jewish sister. I believe there's still hope for peace.

xd You totally sounded like me there; don't worry about posting or anything. As long as whatever you post has a meaning and just isn't a bunch of spam, feel free to discuss whatever. 3nodding


Anyway, onto this topic. It's not necessarily that Christians have turned Jews and Muslims against each other, but I honestly can't remember a time in a very very long time that people have gotten along; human nature, as depressing as it is, has never really been pacifistic. sweatdrop


It's also not as though all Jews or all Muslims feel that the opposite religion should be killed, or that all feel we should be friends. As much as I hate to admit it, there's a lot of Jews that automatically hate Muslims, and vice versa, So, in order to answer your question, unless there is no hate left in the world, religious groups, whether Muslims and Jews or any other, will keep fighting. Depressing, but realistic; extremists on all sides will never accept otherwise. sweatdrop

I Agree, peace would be nice. But think this, Blacks were braught into these countries forcefully as slaves. now their living in a country that hade to make ajustments, even thow they were immigrants to the country, they wanted to have peace with the white people, so after a long struggle they got it. Now show me where in history did Arabs try to mak epeace with Jews in Israel. And blowing yourself up isnt a form of peace making by the way.
Aye the christians have waged war against both muslim and jew and we we're allied. But in this day, Christians arent waging war and causing problems liek the arab countries are. They threaten jews at every angle and call us pigs and scum, i dont see any talk of peace, i see talk of throwing the jews into the sea, and making a nuclear program to "not" destroy the infidels who raped the land of palestine.
Why should arabs be pissed, they own half the world, and how did they get it, by conquering it, in wars, that involved killing people. But they wont show you that.
So guess what Jews do the exact same thing conquer land (even thow it was theres to begin with) and everyone hates them for it, even thow the people bitching are the exact same people who did the exact same thing, to a butt ******** more of land a little time ago.
So End result they get Israel back, what do palestinians do, call a War, a holy war. Obviously these sacks of s**t dont know what war is, its where you say "Eh lets have a war" and have a war. No , they continually attack Israel in acts of war, and claim that its a war. But when Israel strikes back, since you know, it is a war, their called terrorist, makes perfect sence doesnt it?
Peace, yea right.

I believe we can be friends, but it has nothing to do with the Christian persecuters. I think that the propaganda in Islamic and Jewish countries cause most of the hate. My sister was in Israel for a year and she said it was just shocking what they show on TV, on both sides.

People are taught to hate, and that is why peace will be so hard. This hate is too engrained in both peoples.