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 Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:38 pm
ive been thinking about it for a while.
martial arts can be seen as an or the art of war, so why when someone mentions it does physical powers come to mind?
prussian guy(can mind his name) said to win a war you must destroy every enemy. basically if even one oppenent left alive there is chanc of revolution.
but for us who dont take part in large life threatening situations is this really needed?
isnt all that is needed the ability to avoid conflict. so if we could mentaly control the flow of an arguement or realise when a situation may turn violent is that a martial art?
i raise the question because a few friends have become bouncers and i was asked if i would have a job.
i checked around seeing what people thought of the idea, everyone said basically "you have to judge other people, assess a situation and decide if its liable to turn violent"
does knowing human behaviour and psychology count as a martial art?
or does it always boil down to fists?
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:08 am
A martial art is the practice of things that deal with warfare. Hand to hand as well as weapon training, horsemanship knowing how to build fortifications military strategy any thing that has to do with war is a martial art. Just think of all the things the military teaches map reading, marching, survival tactics all of this relates to warfare. Being able to understand psychology is part of this as well I have a few military manuals that talk about the psychology of killing at close rang with knives and unarmed techniques.
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Wolf Nightshade Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:16 pm
it is true that martial arts is physical to those who only practice it to do it. but for those who really take martial arts to heart then martial arts can and will affect you mentally even spiritually.
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:39 pm
Alot of people like most XMA think that the mind set and philosphy are ridiculous. To them its all about the physical contact. Which I sometimes agree in some forms tradition does hold you back. But if you go to the more traditional forms of a martial art they emphasise on philosphy and history of the art and the country it came from.
I do a very traditional plagua TKD background. And we have it bashed into our skulls lolz that there is no time or thought to waste on the ignorant. But philosphy and psychology arent going to work. If a sociopath wants to kill you, thier going to kill you. Its best to try to avoid the situationif you can but you cant go through your life avoiding everything. You have to be able to stand up and protect yourself. If you dont what is the point of taking the martial art in the first place?
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:29 am
ninja.ace Alot of people like most XMA think that the mind set and philosphy are ridiculous. To them its all about the physical contact. Which I sometimes agree in some forms tradition does hold you back. But if you go to the more traditional forms of a martial art they emphasise on philosphy and history of the art and the country it came from. I do a very traditional plagua TKD background. And we have it bashed into our skulls lolz that there is no time or thought to waste on the ignorant. But philosphy and psychology arent going to work. If a sociopath wants to kill you, thier going to kill you. Its best to try to avoid the situationif you can but you cant go through your life avoiding everything. You have to be able to stand up and protect yourself. If you dont what is the point of taking the martial art in the first place?
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:29 am
i get that learning map readin, theory on how to kill so on so forth is needed, and that phylosophical and spiritual aspects can be a major part of an art.
shuma-gorath thats basically what i'm asking.
is there an art form that focuses little on physical and more on mental?
is avoiding the actual war not in itself an art form?
negotiation, for example, could that be called a martial art?
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:05 pm
neko_pai is avoiding the actual war not in itself an art form? negotiation, for example, could that be called a martial art? in other words, you're asking if diplomacy is a martial art, right? well, the word "martial", as far as i know, derives from "mars", who is the roman god of war. so i guess in other words, martial arts means arts for warfare. does diplomacy count as warfare? hm..maybe diplomacy could be described as a kind of mental war? rather than a physical one? then again, diplomacy should be instead of war...or if things go bad, before a war. so if diplomacy fails, then there's a war. which would count as a division between diplomacy and war. then again, there might be negotiations during a war. then again, i'm not sure if you would count those as diplomacy (probably not). so those negotiations would probably fall under martial arts. it's a very interesting question.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:49 pm
Martial arts is every bit mental. You have to be mentally prepared for every blow, have to assess every situation to look for an opening in an opponents gaurd, when you learn to do that with peoples mind, you're becoming a full martial artist, Learn to look at people, read their eyes, their posture, the way the act towards you, and ask the right questions, subtle little questions that no one thinks about that give you every answer. Among my friends for these reasons, they have started calling me dangerous, simply because I anticipate danger, when, where, why, how and who because I do the above stated, and when I anticipate danger, I'm in the middle of it if it's a fist fight. Learn to ask questions, but not the wrong ones, and just subtle enough to not leave any worry about answering them to the one you question.
But yes, martial arts is every bit mental, to know what you need to do when, it requires you to use your brain, and use it right, to judge your opponent so you can find their weaknesses and use them to defeat the opponent. I say go for the job.
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:47 am
Martial art is defined as war arts, or fighting arts. which also means you attack people or engage people in a violent situation. However the best way to win a physical fight is through mental capacity and mental abilities. if you can strike fear into their minds while fighting them physically you will win because i know your abilities and they will question theirs. if you can defeat an opponent without touching them or physical harming them, you have obtained master level. then if you can't defeat them with just the mental then you always have the physical to back up your thoughts
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:35 pm
Shuma-Gorath ninja.ace Alot of people like most XMA think that the mind set and philosphy are ridiculous. To them its all about the physical contact. Which I sometimes agree in some forms tradition does hold you back. But if you go to the more traditional forms of a martial art they emphasise on philosphy and history of the art and the country it came from. I do a very traditional plagua TKD background. And we have it bashed into our skulls lolz that there is no time or thought to waste on the ignorant. But philosphy and psychology arent going to work. If a sociopath wants to kill you, thier going to kill you. Its best to try to avoid the situationif you can but you cant go through your life avoiding everything. You have to be able to stand up and protect yourself. If you dont what is the point of taking the martial art in the first place? i can give you one. ninjutsu. it is true that you do train physically as in any martial arts, however they teach the mindset of "winning without removing the blade." this is a philosophy of winning with the mind. as any martial artist should know in the times of thw samurai, anytime a blade was drawn it should taste blood before it could return to its saya. and so this philosophy was created around that truth. there is a saying that we learn fairly early on. "gekijin tomeru, heiwa tsukuru, to issai itonomi mamarou. kono ninja no do." this translated means, "prevent violence, make peace, and protect all life. this is the way of the ninja."
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:36 am
Lord_Quortez Shuma-Gorath ninja.ace Alot of people like most XMA think that the mind set and philosphy are ridiculous. To them its all about the physical contact. Which I sometimes agree in some forms tradition does hold you back. But if you go to the more traditional forms of a martial art they emphasise on philosphy and history of the art and the country it came from. I do a very traditional plagua TKD background. And we have it bashed into our skulls lolz that there is no time or thought to waste on the ignorant. But philosphy and psychology arent going to work. If a sociopath wants to kill you, thier going to kill you. Its best to try to avoid the situationif you can but you cant go through your life avoiding everything. You have to be able to stand up and protect yourself. If you dont what is the point of taking the martial art in the first place? i can give you one. ninjutsu. it is true that you do train physically as in any martial arts, however they teach the mindset of "winning without removing the blade." this is a philosophy of winning with the mind. as any martial artist should know in the times of thw samurai, anytime a blade was drawn it should taste blood before it could return to its saya. and so this philosophy was created around that truth. there is a saying that we learn fairly early on. "gekijin tomeru, heiwa tsukuru, to issai itonomi mamarou. kono ninja no do." this translated means, "prevent violence, make peace, and protect all life. this is the way of the ninja."
TRY AGAIN.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:10 am
Shuma-Gorath Lord_Quortez Shuma-Gorath ninja.ace Alot of people like most XMA think that the mind set and philosphy are ridiculous. To them its all about the physical contact. Which I sometimes agree in some forms tradition does hold you back. But if you go to the more traditional forms of a martial art they emphasise on philosphy and history of the art and the country it came from. I do a very traditional plagua TKD background. And we have it bashed into our skulls lolz that there is no time or thought to waste on the ignorant. But philosphy and psychology arent going to work. If a sociopath wants to kill you, thier going to kill you. Its best to try to avoid the situationif you can but you cant go through your life avoiding everything. You have to be able to stand up and protect yourself. If you dont what is the point of taking the martial art in the first place? i can give you one. ninjutsu. it is true that you do train physically as in any martial arts, however they teach the mindset of "winning without removing the blade." this is a philosophy of winning with the mind. as any martial artist should know in the times of thw samurai, anytime a blade was drawn it should taste blood before it could return to its saya. and so this philosophy was created around that truth. there is a saying that we learn fairly early on. "gekijin tomeru, heiwa tsukuru, to issai itonomi mamarou. kono ninja no do." this translated means, "prevent violence, make peace, and protect all life. this is the way of the ninja."
TRY AGAIN.May I ask...how do you define the term "martial art"? Actually, if more people could answer this question...I think it would be interesting, because I'm sure that there are many different ways that "martial art" is used as a term. @lord_quortez: I'm curious...where did you learn that Japanese sentence or from whom? Because the Japanese in it seems a bit curious to me. I'd just like to know how sure you are that it's correct...
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:12 am
Elithil Shuma-Gorath Lord_Quortez Shuma-Gorath ninja.ace Alot of people like most XMA think that the mind set and philosphy are ridiculous. To them its all about the physical contact. Which I sometimes agree in some forms tradition does hold you back. But if you go to the more traditional forms of a martial art they emphasise on philosphy and history of the art and the country it came from. I do a very traditional plagua TKD background. And we have it bashed into our skulls lolz that there is no time or thought to waste on the ignorant. But philosphy and psychology arent going to work. If a sociopath wants to kill you, thier going to kill you. Its best to try to avoid the situationif you can but you cant go through your life avoiding everything. You have to be able to stand up and protect yourself. If you dont what is the point of taking the martial art in the first place? i can give you one. ninjutsu. it is true that you do train physically as in any martial arts, however they teach the mindset of "winning without removing the blade." this is a philosophy of winning with the mind. as any martial artist should know in the times of thw samurai, anytime a blade was drawn it should taste blood before it could return to its saya. and so this philosophy was created around that truth. there is a saying that we learn fairly early on. "gekijin tomeru, heiwa tsukuru, to issai itonomi mamarou. kono ninja no do." this translated means, "prevent violence, make peace, and protect all life. this is the way of the ninja."
TRY AGAIN.May I ask...how do you define the term "martial art"? Actually, if more people could answer this question...I think it would be interesting, because I'm sure that there are many different ways that "martial art" is used as a term. @lord_quortez: I'm curious...where did you learn that Japanese sentence or from whom? Because the Japanese in it seems a bit curious to me. I'd just like to know how sure you are that it's correct...
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:37 pm
the martial arts means somting different to everyone who practacis it, but anything that is simply used to "hurt" somone is not an art. a conglomeratinon of techniqes, tricks and overstated bravado will do nothing for anyone but cause pain and missery.
any martial art should teach not only how to defend and attack but also why.
as to weather diplomacy is a form of martial art i dont know, but it is important to know when to use it and when to resort to your martial arts training.
in my experience there are 5 levels of confrontaition.
1. negotiation.
friendly talk, i want this i can give you that. everyones happy.
2. verbal threats.
you dont harm me i wont harm you.
3. restraint
the use of force to prevent somone from harming you, without causing them long lasting harm. pepper spray, arm bars, and so forth ;the same things police use when bringing in a susspect.
4. maiming attack.
use this when you can not restrain the individual or are in danger of being attacked while restraining your opponent.
5. the last choice.
when you can not prevent your opponent from causing you harm by any other means, then and only then should you take it this far.
the thing is that every situation is different and has to be delt with differently. if you kill somone in combat then you could be charged with murder, but if they are going to kill you any way then you dont have much of a choice. if you try to negotiat with somone who is hell bent on killing you then you can kiss your but goodby.
the goal of any martial "artist" should be to avoid using his skills as much as possible outside the dojo, but always be prepared to use them if needed.
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:36 pm
Roninofthewest the martial arts means somting different to everyone who practacis it, but anything that is simply used to "hurt" somone is not an art. a conglomeratinon of techniqes, tricks and overstated bravado will do nothing for anyone but cause pain and missery. any martial art should teach not only how to defend and attack but also why. Roninofthewest as to weather diplomacy is a form of martial art i dont know, but it is important to know when to use it and when to resort to your martial arts training. in my experience there are 5 levels of confrontaition. 1. negotiation. friendly talk, i want this i can give you that. everyones happy. 2. verbal threats. you dont harm me i wont harm you. 3. restraint the use of force to prevent somone from harming you, without causing them long lasting harm. pepper spray, arm bars, and so forth ;the same things police use when bringing in a susspect. 4. maiming attack. use this when you can not restrain the individual or are in danger of being attacked while restraining your opponent. 5. the last choice. when you can not prevent your opponent from causing you harm by any other means, then and only then should you take it this far. the thing is that every situation is different and has to be delt with differently. Roninofthewest if you kill somone in combat then you could be charged with murder, but if they are going to kill you any way then you dont have much of a choice. if you try to negotiat with somone who is hell bent on killing you then you can kiss your but goodby. Roninofthewest the goal of any martial "artist" should be to avoid using his skills as much as possible outside the dojo, but always be prepared to use them if needed.
Also, not to be a a real big d**k, but please bra, type in paragraphs, and make it somewhat readable.
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