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Poem
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:47 pm


Bonhoeffer was part of a "Christian resistance" to defend the Jews. He was the featured speaker at an int'l conference discussing how churches should handle post-WWI recovery at the age fo 22. He also got his doctorate at Union Theological Seminary in NY and RETURNED to WWII Germany (knowing the risks) to start a seminary and be an underground advocate for the Jews. He wrote this poem when he was in prison, in 1944:

"Who am I?"

"Who am I? They often tell me I would step from my prison cell
poisted, cheerful and sturdy,
like a nobleman from his country estate.
Who am I? They often tell me I would speak with my guards
freely, pleasantly and firmly,
as if I had it to command.
Who am I? I have also been told that I suffer days of misfortune
with serenity, smiles and pride,
as someone accustomed to victory.

"Am I really what others say about me?
Or am I only what I know of myself?
Restless, yearning and sick, like a bird in its cage,
struggling for the breath of life,
as though someone were choking my throat;
hungering for colors, for flowers, for the songs of birds,
thirsting for kind words and human closeness,
shaking with anger at capricious tyranny and the pettiest slurs,
bedeviled by anxiety, awaiting great events that might never occur,
fearfully powerless and worried for friends far away,
weary and empty in prayer, in thinking, in doing,
weak, and ready to take leave of it all.

"Who am I? This man or that other?
Am I then this man today and tomorrow another?
Am I both all at once? An imposter to others,
but to me little more than a whining, despicable weakling?
Does what is in me compare to a vanquished army,
that flees in dsorder before a battle already won?

"Who am I? They mock me these lonely questions of mine.
Whoever I am, you know me, O God. You know I am yours."
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:59 am


wow that's some poem. i don't agree with the attempt to kill anyone, even someone like hitler. sounds like they were a christian allright, but the need to kill even for a good cause is still killing to me anyways.

Rokk Krinn


Hayabashi2
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:14 am


Red_Ronin
wow that's some poem. i don't agree with the attempt to kill anyone, even someone like hitler. sounds like they were a christian allright, but the need to kill even for a good cause is still killing to me anyways.
Yes, I agree. However, what would it be like to sit still and let a man murder millions? Would it be murder to kill him?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:39 pm


While killing Hitler would've been HELPFUL for the rest of humanity, it would've been the wrong way to go about it.

Tinkerbell Complex


beaufleur
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:29 am


Wow!! This deserves attention again I think .... so I'm posting to bring this up! Hope you all take a look at it ... and hope you are well Poem!!! heart
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:11 pm


Yes.

I want to encourage everyone to read the poem. There is a lot in it that we should all learn from --or at least reflect on.

The post wasn't ever about Bonhoeffer's thoughts on the assasination of Hitler (although that's a good topic). I was more interested in sharing the contents of his writing. 3nodding

Poem
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beaufleur
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:22 am


I had never read anything he's written, so thank you! heart
PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:47 pm


Posting to keep it active .... again ..... ^^

beaufleur
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Hayabashi2
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:43 pm


Poem
Bonhoeffer was part of a "Christian resistance" to defend the Jews. He was the featured speaker at an int'l conference discussing how churches should handle post-WWI recovery at the age fo 22. He also got his doctorate at Union Theological Seminary in NY and RETURNED to WWII Germany (knowing the risks) to start a seminary and be an underground advocate for the Jews. He wrote this poem when he was in prison, in 1944:

"Who am I?"

"Who am I? They often tell me I would step from my prison cell
poisted, cheerful and sturdy,
like a nobleman from his country estate.
Who am I? They often tell me I would speak with my guards
freely, pleasantly and firmly,
as if I had it to command.
Who am I? I have also been told that I suffer days of misfortune
with serenity, smiles and pride,
as someone accustomed to victory.

"Am I really what others say about me?
Or am I only what I know of myself?
Restless, yearning and sick, like a bird in its cage,
struggling for the breath of life,
as though someone were choking my throat;
hungering for colors, for flowers, for the songs of birds,
thirsting for kind words and human closeness,
shaking with anger at capricious tyranny and the pettiest slurs,
bedeviled by anxiety, awaiting great events that might never occur,
fearfully powerless and worried for friends far away,
weary and empty in prayer, in thinking, in doing,
weak, and ready to take leave of it all.

"Who am I? This man or that other?
Am I then this man today and tomorrow another?
Am I both all at once? An imposter to others,
but to me little more than a whining, despicable weakling?
Does what is in me compare to a vanquished army,
that flees in dsorder before a battle already won?

"Who am I? They mock me these lonely questions of mine.
Whoever I am, you know me, O God. You know I am yours."


I took an American Literature course last semester. I was very interested in WW II literature. Such a huge event in modern history. I was unable to find much literature about WW II, however (mostly because I didn't try very hard, and I read One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest instead). It really makes you think. Makes me think, anyway. A LOT of Christians were openly for the War, at least in the US. I think I would have been too...eerr...I mean sent off to war. Drafted, most likely.

In my opinion, I do not think Bonhoefer was wrong in trying to assassinate Hitler. Think of the great destruction and death that would have been prevented had Hitler died early in the War...

But I guess I could, or am, wrong. Even if Hitler had died, there's still Japan. Italy would have been out for the count too if Hitler left.

and I guess or am wrong about whether or not killing Hitler would have been moral for a Christian. *shrugs*
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