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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:24 pm


Precursor for Abortion

Very well, this thread is going to be something I've spent countless hours in thought of. And it's based on a social-biological-psychological connection I've made about the ideal humans hold for sex, the consequences, and the situations associated with it. I will state that I have done the research, but I will not post any links, if you wish to confirm any part of this analyzation please feel free to look it up.

This is meant to give us in the pro-life guild some foreground when we encounter sex in any debate concerning abortion.

First, it's known that...

It's known that more than 99% of children, whether they will be born or not, are conceived by sex. I'd probably go so far to state that 99.9999999% of all unborn children that are aborted are conceived this way, because there's probably some surrogate mother that had an abortion, but in such cases, it's extremely rare that a woman would be a surrogate then abort unless it threatened her life.

With this in mind, we can assume that the main reason people want to have abortion available is for one of two reasons...

1. In the case of Rape, which occurs in less than 1% abortions.
2. In the case of unplanned pregnancy from sex, whether with or without protection. 99% of abortions happen here.

So we have heard the constant argument that sex is not just for procreation...

In accordance to this, there are two types of sex to be held... the kind in and out of wedlock. This happens to people of all ages, but I will separate them into three categories to analyze and tie them into the social structure that surrounds us.

They are: Teen Sex, Adult Sex, and Married adult sex. So I will start with teen and move to marriage last. But first, I will explain an anatomical concept assocaited with sex before this analyzation.

Sex and Anatomy

First it is known that when people have sex, certain hormones and endomorphines are released to make it feel better than masturbation or the fake things. These chemicals when released, make those who consent to it feel different about each other.

This presents a psychological connection between individuals, it can be for the better or for the worse. Situations will be explained as we go on.

Sex in the Teenage Years

First, I want to state that I am still a virgin, and this is based on an observation of those around me. I may not feel the same as they do, but I do know how intense they feel to others around them and how they treat each of their new girl friends and boyfriends and such. If anything, I'm one who pays extreme attention to detail.

I notice that when one of my friends first got involved with someone of the opposite sex, they were intense, excited, involved. Like they were on top of the world, and everything was full of energy and hope. Then when they break up the whole trend starts over again. Only they are less intense with each person that comes along... until they find the one that is perfect. This is what I observed with the friend who never wanted to have sex before marriage.

In the other case, I have another friend who chose to have sex before marriage, lets call her Miss April, she had sex with each of her boyfriends, and as time went on was also getting less and less intense with each new one. The only difference was that she could not be friends with her ex's. She found it very strange to be around them.

Now, just because a person decides to have sex before they get married, it does not make them a bad person.

A friend of mine who was a guy also sleeps around, he's only 16 a year younger than me. Now all would be good... the thing is, the first girlfriend he was totally in love with. But after that, he still continued to sleep around, and as he progressed along, each girl was less and less important to him. This also happened with Miss April, the more boyfriends she had, the less she cared for each of them.

The first girl, the one who didn't have sex, could still be friends with her ex's and I noticed that each boyfriend she had she still felt like they were actual persons. Though she didn't have as much flare the more people she was involved with, it seemed she was far more civil when it came to break ups, becuase neither side had anything to lose.

The one thing about those who kept sleeping around, is that they tend with each new relationship, to get shorter and shorter. As if it was harder and harder to get intimate knowing that it would end with a break up. Some people are able to pull through, and go against the odds, but not everyone.

The idea is that if a person decides to remain a virgin, they are gullible and naive. This simply isn't true, rather the opposite is true. If there is anything, I've obtained an understanding from this teen behavior. The actions people take in their teenage years is a forshadow of what they will do as adults.

If there is anything I learned, sex in the teenage years promotes depression and teen angst. It also helps to impair reason and judgment, and moves those who take the actions to a more liberal idea. This isn't to say that all who have sex in the teenage years become like this, but the trend points in that direction. This should not be an attack, but rather a sharp observation I took on many of my friends. The ones who slept around said they loved someone, but slept with other people because they felt it would end in a break up.

The Adult Years

Here is where it gets tricky, when two consenting adults consent to have sex, nothing should stop them. Nothing except their own reasoning and rationlization.

I find that many young adults, or older adults for that matter try to rationalize themselves by saying "it's okay to have sex." "There's nothing wrong with it...."

Well, here I will point out a lot of consequences associated with sex. Many younger adults, or adults who have sex continouosly started in their teenage years. So it's mostly a continuation of it. This continuation is something that will remain with them. The more partners they have, the more experiences they have sexually, and the harder it is to make them feel good with sex.

So with more sex going around, and more people saying, "it's okay" it's likely that people are going to do something which is "fun".

This creates a lot of consequences, plenty of them...

First, though people do hate to admit it, the more anyone has sex, the more importance they will place on it before deciding to get married. There have been many times where people have to have sex before marriage in order to make sure they are "fit" for each other. There are many flaws with this, because of marriage is then based on sex over committment, divorce becomes highly likely when there is any struggle in the marriage.

I've also noticed among my friends in Community College, who are decades older and yet act like teenagers, go from one relationship to another constantly. This isn't to say they are bad people, it's to say that they do not even know what they want or how they want to take their relationships.

It's that when sex is given out so freely and easily, it is easy to define a relationship by it. And it gets harder and harder to become intimate with the person you are trying to have a relationship with. This is not to say that it's impossible to be intimate, it's to say that the more a person has sex, the more difficult it is to find that intimacy with each new partner.

And from that, it becomes harder to maintain the relationship as people from the past come up and show themselves. I know television may portray it as fully possible, but if there is anything I learned from television, is that it's just television. IN life, people never feel the same about each other after sex... There are those who say they can, but the feeling never goes away. This presents itself as a problem to many people trying to get into a monogomous relationship later on.

Final words on Pre-Marital Sex

I guess it's safe to say, that regardless of what anyone says, there will always be consequences for sex before marriage. The consequence of less or more difficult intimacy with each new relationship.

Moving on to Sex within a committment.

Sex in Marriage

This occurs probably after marriage. Even though the divorce rate is so high... I'd relate the divorce rate to the pre-marital sex rate. People will disagree... but I relate it in the aspect that it was only when it became "okay" for people to sleep around openly, that it was also "okay" for people to divorce openly...

The one thing great about being able to get into a marriage is that there is definitely a committment. Whether or not there is intimacy will depend on both individuals. Many people just get married with only the committment and the passion, but not the intimacy. Without the feeling of closeness and knowing that they can be together and discuss things always is why there are so many divorces. The husband and wife are not on the same page.

Now relate to abortion

Sex is a prerequisite to abortion. As I've illustrated, there are many negatives to have sex before marriage.... but it's totally up to people to say it's "okay"... it's their life... but why have an abortion?

Just because sex is "okay" does not mean abortion is "okay".

In the instance of marriage however, people fail to realize that it's DIFFICULT to get pregnant. The egg, or ovum, when released only stays out for 24 hours once every 28 days. So by using proper timing, and diagnoses of symptoms, it's possible to be 100% birth control... if you know how to time it.

Anyway that's what I meant to say, and I hoped I said it well... just because people have sex does not mean it's "okay"....

And just because people CAN have sex, does not mean that abortion should be an option.

Life is as it should be... in balance. There is no balance in love when one has been desensitized with many other partners.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:19 pm


I think your logic is most flawed in your claim of consequences for extramarital sex. I fit the description of your examples for teen sex--although not until I was about to turn 18, I've had around 30 partners. Nope, not ashamed of it at all, I'll even say it here. Several of them I was not in a "relationship" with--usually they were just male friends of mine. They have not been progressively less important to me. My relationships have not become less intense. It has not been more difficult for me to experience intimacy with anyone. I am on bad terms with only one of my partners, and frankly, most of that is the result of his having issues with previous girlfriends. I have nothing against him. Most of my "exes" I am still good friends with. Extramarital sex is not a guarantee of negative consequences.

Also, you didn't mention sex without the possibility of pregnancy, but that's a bit different.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:42 pm


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I think your logic is most flawed in your claim of consequences for extramarital sex. I fit the description of your examples for teen sex--although not until I was about to turn 18, I've had around 30 partners. Nope, not ashamed of it at all, I'll even say it here. Several of them I was not in a "relationship" with--usually they were just male friends of mine. They have not been progressively less important to me. My relationships have not become less intense. It has not been more difficult for me to experience intimacy with anyone. I am on bad terms with only one of my partners, and frankly, most of that is the result of his having issues with previous girlfriends. I have nothing against him. Most of my "exes" I am still good friends with. Extramarital sex is not a guarantee of negative consequences.

Also, you didn't mention sex without the possibility of pregnancy, but that's a bit different.


Like I said, some people beat the odds.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:06 am


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If there is anything I learned, sex in the teenage years promotes depression and teen angst.


THANK YOU.

*ahem* Although I love the article, I won't do what you ask. it. But I agree with it, don't get me wrong.

But on everything you stated, I agree FULLY. I mean I would like to argue a point. The eldery, of course they're divorces within their demographics, but extremely few.

Sex before marriage in this extremity is somewhat new. I mean did any normal non-political, non-royalty, non-important person have sex with 20 partners ever in their entire life? No, because back then it was about tilling the soil, raising the cows, and hoping the next ceasar would give them food to eat...

I look at Amish marriages. Two hundrend years, two divorces in New England. Can you believe that? TWO. The Amish are amazing. They put other things first, they are a productive, kind and friendly peoples. They teach abstinence, and look where it gets them. Long life, prosperity, and a good partner.

Even so, many of our Grandparents had rocky marriages. But they knew, many from faith many from their own perserverance, they had to pull through. My grandparents did that, for my parents. And their fiftieth is this Auguest. Sure they still fight occasionally. They had some pretty bad lows. But they do love each other, even if they don't show it.

So I do blame sex. And it's becoming a boisterous, noxiating, idiotic activity that people somehow thing the sun and stars revolve around.

I want to have a fit on them.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:29 am


It's alright, I was just hoping to get some opinions on my analyzation, just like this analyzation there will always be those who agree, and those who disagree.

I just look at how the idea of open sex affects the people around me. Most of my friends would deny this whole document, but from my own personal observation, they are depressed constantly and get into drinking when the person they "love and made love to" breaks up with them.

I guess the idea is that even though people say sex isn't serious, until you have many partners, it's going to be a source of seriousness and depression.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:05 am


I think your teen sex part is a huge generalization based on what you've seen from a couple of people.

I lost my virginity 11 days before I turned 16, so technically I was 15 (age of consent here is 14) however usually I just say 16. Anyway, A little over 2 months after my boyfriend and I started having sex I broke up with him. He and I are still 'friends' for the most part.

Now I say 'for the most part' because now that we've broken up I realize that he and I have very little in common, I was blown away by him at first because he not only made me feel wanted but needed.

Sex has absolutely nothing to do with it. Sex for me isn't something you have to keep for someone you 'love'. It's something I do if I know someone cares about me and respects me, if I know they're not going to treat it as 'just another ********' kind of thing.

The only odds there are is that teenagers who have sex will have more sex. This is because teenage relationships very rarely last and [for the most part] once you have sex, doing it again isn't that big of a deal. The big deal part being, because most people that have sex aren't following the "no sex before marriage" and so once their virginity is gone, they realize sex isn't anything all that special.

Agree with it or disagree with it, that's how it is. Doesn't make it right or wrong it just makes is there and present.

People that don't get along with their ex's are simply people that can't get along with their ex's. It's a mindset and they make themselves feel uncomfortable.

Not only this but I'm very intimate with my current boyfriend, in a non-sexual sense. We're very close, which mostly steams from us being friends for quite a few years. And neither of us are virgin's.

I know way too many people who have had sex and are still functioning as themselves, and are still friends with their ex's and who aren't becoming more distant to each new boyfriend or girlfriend that comes by to agree with what you've said.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:23 am


At nun camp, they said it like this....

With a piece of scotch tape, each time you use it on something new, it loses a little bit of sticky stuff, and won't be as strong as the first stick.

Of course this sounded really, really weird coming from a nun xd

I think it depends on personality too. Most people can't handle teen sex, which okay, sounds weird, but it's an adult situation and teens aren't really physically the same as adults. Their bodies may look the same, but the chemicals inside them aren't. The hormones are all out of whack and they haven't had much life experience. Some people are okay with it, I'm sure, but I don't think most are.

It's okay to have sex. It's not okay to kill because of it.
It's okay to be a lot of things. It's just not okay to kill because of them.

This works the other way though....I mean, treating pregnancy like a punishment instead of a consequence is a bit negative and does the same thing of saying, "It's not okay to have sex." It's not about the sex, it's about what you do now that you've had sex and have this child growing in you.

Like saying, "Well You deserve that for having sex, deal with it," is different than, "Well, this can happen with sex, and killing should not be a legal way to get out of it." Which is very PC and I don't usually do PC but pregnancy isn't a punishment.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:43 pm


In response to Toxic, I have to state that most of my friends are not liberal in their views on sex. They thought they were going to stay with each other forever.

There are also a lot of things that I left out on purpose because I didn't really want to make an offensive statement.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:54 pm


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At nun camp, they said it like this....

With a piece of scotch tape, each time you use it on something new, it loses a little bit of sticky stuff, and won't be as strong as the first stick.

Of course this sounded really, really weird coming from a nun xd

I think it depends on personality too. Most people can't handle teen sex, which okay, sounds weird, but it's an adult situation and teens aren't really physically the same as adults. Their bodies may look the same, but the chemicals inside them aren't. The hormones are all out of whack and they haven't had much life experience. Some people are okay with it, I'm sure, but I don't think most are.

It's okay to have sex. It's not okay to kill because of it.
It's okay to be a lot of things. It's just not okay to kill because of them.

This works the other way though....I mean, treating pregnancy like a punishment instead of a consequence is a bit negative and does the same thing of saying, "It's not okay to have sex." It's not about the sex, it's about what you do now that you've had sex and have this child growing in you.

Like saying, "Well You deserve that for having sex, deal with it," is different than, "Well, this can happen with sex, and killing should not be a legal way to get out of it." Which is very PC and I don't usually do PC but pregnancy isn't a punishment.


I have to say one thing, after constantly hearing people say sex is okay, I think it isn't okay. In terms of what people think of as reality, perhaps to their own reality it is okay, but in terms of separation from the social structure and presenting myself as an outcast, I see things that people don't see.

Emotions are meaningless...

I guess it's time to say it out loud, I'm tired of feeling emotion, I'm hardening my heart against everything.

I got to lay off Metal Gear Solid 2...

Anyway I know there will always be those who say sex is okay. Always. And there will always be those like me who stand on the outside looking into the social structure viewing things in cold logic and perpetual dizziness. Thinking and asking why and how these people say they are intimate but are not really intimate.

For years I have asked... how can we distinguish between adultry and consensual sex.... it's all a mixed message. Like they say some people are too young to have sex.. but what do they know? How is it possible to have sex responsibly? It's not... not at least with these mixed messages.

To the point where oblivious thought actually holds reasoning, it's impossible to tell someone about themself unless they are willing to accept criticism. I'm manipulative, overly aware, and too observant for my own good.... I already know this, yet I continue to pursue meaning... from such a meaningless existence. There is no reality...

Rant on... I guess here is what I feel... sex... acquired the first time is thought of as with love. Love in it's purest and most unaltered form. Same with a first love... when a person, any person, decides to give themselves to another in intercourse they can have one or two effects... an acceptance that it's good to have sex, or an idea that they made a huge mistake...

Making the mistake provides them with defense mechanisms from denial to harder to reach intimacy...

Acceptance... leads down another path.... obviously there's nothing to say to those who believe that sex is natural and okay.. they chose their own path and their own ideas.

The mistake, once made or thought of as a mistake, stays on forever, never to go away.

Two vastly different ideals, one liberal to sex, the other conservative to only two people... how can it co-exist.. is this not where we get our mixed messages? Where intimacy is no longer an requirement or even an ideal... it is merely deception.

Damn the devil... damn him...

I really... really need to get some medication....

Sorry...
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:08 am


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In response to Toxic, I have to state that most of my friends are not liberal in their views on sex. They thought they were going to stay with each other forever.

There are also a lot of things that I left out on purpose because I didn't really want to make an offensive statement.

That's a completely different mindset. If you feel like you're going to be with someone forever and then you aren't for whatever reason it's a whole lot harder to remain friends if you have in your mind the fact that this could possibly go on forever. Maybe you'd even like it to go on forever, but statistically speaking it's not likely and you have a life time a head of you to find someone new if something does go wrong.

It's not dooming your relationship to failure, just being realistic. Some people can deal with that, others can't.

Maybe they had sex before they were ready, however chances are their personalities wouldn't allow them to retain a friendship either way.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:19 pm


I believe your assesment of pre-marital sex, in general, is pretty much accurate. The only situation I can think of where I would disagree, is if a couple is in a commited relationship outside of marriage. There are many people who choose not to get married(for whatever reason), but have a marriage like relationship. The main problem is casual sex or sex just for fun. This is what creates the biggest emotional problem.
The problem with teenagers having sex is that they are not able to tell if they are ready for sex or not. They have a lack of understanding of relationships and with the media constantly telling them sex is okay, it becomes a problem as they have sex without fully understanding the consequences of thier actions. Of course there are some teenagers who are mature enough to handle sex and the consequences. I know people who are(or use to be) teenagers that have had sex with his or her boyfriend or girlfriend and stayed with them for years.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:32 pm


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I look at Amish marriages. Two hundrend years, two divorces in New England. Can you believe that? TWO.

How many happy marriages? Just because two people stayed married doesn't mean they love each other. Luckily for my family, my Catholic parents got a divorce. If they hadn't, I'd have had 16 more years of my parents screaming at each other. Now that they're not living together, they're great people and great parents, and even civil to each other.
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The Amish are amazing. They put other things first, they are a productive, kind and friendly peoples. They teach abstinence, and look where it gets them.


Hundreds of teenagers leaving the Amish lifestyle because they hate it. Guess their parents didn't quite beat them into submission--literally.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:28 pm


I'm never one to advocate sex in a relationship until it's clear that both sides... not one.. both sides are committed.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:38 pm


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I'm never one to advocate sex in a relationship until it's clear that both sides... not one.. both sides are committed.

You can be in a commited relationship and still not tell yourself it's going to last forever and ever. I'm commited to my boyfriend right now, I'd like it to last forever and ever. I'd be heart broken if he did break up with me, however I'm quite aware that simply because we both feel the same way right now doesn't mean it's going to last forever.

Commitment =/= Eternity.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:24 am


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I'm never one to advocate sex in a relationship until it's clear that both sides... not one.. both sides are committed.

You can be in a commited relationship and still not tell yourself it's going to last forever and ever. I'm commited to my boyfriend right now, I'd like it to last forever and ever. I'd be heart broken if he did break up with me, however I'm quite aware that simply because we both feel the same way right now doesn't mean it's going to last forever.

Commitment =/= Eternity.


Actually, the only reason why a commitment lasts, is because... it's a commitment. We are all mortals, that is true, but since we are...

commitment=/=eternity

-But-

commitment=lifetime or set time put aside for it
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