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So,tell me this,If all other religions are goin to hell...
What bout Catholics,who have Jesus in the teachings,and Jewish the people of Jesus?

Well, I would not say that believing in Jesus is enough to get into heaven. In James the it says that the demons believe in Jesus. Somehow, I don't think they're going to heaven...

Accepting him as Lord and Savior of your life is more than just beleiving in him. Unfortunately, there are some Catholics who do not have this. It all comes down to what's in the heart, really. The Bible is quite clear; Jesus is the only way. Exclusive? Yes. But it has to be.

They had one in the Old Testament. The New Covenant has since come into effect.

Romans 11

1 I ask then, did God reject his people? May it never be! For I also am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God didn't reject his people, which he foreknew. Or don't you know what the Scripture says about Elijah? How he pleads with God against Israel:

3 "Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have broken down your altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life."

4 But how does God answer him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? That which Israel seeks for, that he didn't obtain, but the chosen ones obtained it, and the rest were hardened.

8 According as it is written, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, to this very day."

9 David says, "Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, a stumbling block, and a retribution to them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see. Bow down their back always."

11 I ask then, did they stumble that they might fall? May it never be! But by their fall salvation has come to the Gentiles, to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if their fall is the riches of the world, and their loss the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?

13 For I speak to you who are Gentiles. Since then as I am an apostle to Gentiles, I glorify my ministry;

14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh, and may save some of them.

15 For if the rejection of them is the reconciling of the world, what would their acceptance be, but life from the dead?

16 If the first fruit is holy, so is the lump. If the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them, and became partaker with them of the root and of the richness of the olive tree;

18 don't boast over the branches. But if you boast, it is not you who support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in."

20 True; by their unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by your faith. Don't be conceited, but fear;

21 for if God didn't spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

22 See then the goodness and severity of God. Toward those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

23 They also, if they don't continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

24 For if you were cut out of that which is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree, how much more will these, which are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I don't desire you to be ignorant, brothers, of this mystery, so that you won't be wise in your own conceits, that a partial hardening has happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,

26 and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

27 This is my covenant to them, when I will take away their sins."

28 Concerning the Good News, they are enemies for your sake. But concerning the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sake.

29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

30 For as you in time past were disobedient to God, but now have obtained mercy by their disobedience,

31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that by the mercy shown to you they may also obtain mercy.

32 For God has shut up all to disobedience, that he might have mercy on all.

33 Oh the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past tracing out!

34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?"

35 "Or who has first given to him, and it will be repaid to him again?"

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things. To him be the glory for ever! Amen.




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Roman 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Eh, He's got 324 of them, and a second coming to do more. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the duubt on this one.

hmmmmmm..............Mr. Stxitxchxes. You throw out there that Jesus was not a descendant of David. I believe both Joseph and Mary were both descendants of David.

See Matthew 1:1-16 and also, Luke 3:23-38

and Luke 2:1-4 talks about Joseph going to register for the census.

Interesting sidenote in the NIV on Matthew 1:16, says that Because Mary was a virgin when she became pregant, Matthew lists Joseph only as the husband of Mary, not the father of Jesus. Matthew's genealogy gives Jesus' legal (or royal) lineage through Joseph.
Matthew traced the genealogy back to Abraham, while Luke traced it back to Adam. Matthew wrote to the Jews, so Jesus was shown as a descendant of their father, Abraham. Luke wrote to the Gentiles, so he emphasized Jesus as the Savor of all people.

Matthew 1:17 Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babyon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.

Another sidenote on 1:17 is that Matthew breaks Israel's history into three sets of 14 generations, but there were probably more generations then those listed here. Genealogies often compressed history, meaning that not every generation of ancestors was specifically listed. Thus the phrase "the father of" can also be translated "the ancetor of."

I don't understand from where you are taking your stand that Jesus wasn't a descendant from David. Also, you stated, "Every one of those is taken completely out of context," refering to what Mr. Cometh had to say about the 360-something prophies.............. eh.................... That's a pretty outragous thing to say given that you just throw that out there with out even giving one example. lol

Sorry to change the subject folks, but I just wanted to point that out about Jesus being a descendant of David.

Also, about all this talk of damnation..................... God is the judge.
He knows what's in our hearts.
Forgive me this analogy but I do think of it as God being the judge of our fate. So, you either stand before Him alone. Or you stand before Him with Jesus............................ Your defense attorney if you want to look at it that way.

I'll address both of these posts at once, rather than quoting separately.

I'd also like to say that I made a mistake, Messianic prophesies are present in the Pentateuch. I tend to only use Isaiah, but I was incorrect in stating that above.

Anyway..

As for not using examples, here's a real simple one for you.

Look at the list, now, on the left it lists OT prophesies (a great deal of which are taken out of context anyway, but I'll handle that later), and on the right, it lists verses from the New Testament. Seemingly to lend credence to these blurbs.

In fact what it's doing is making a s**t-poor attempt at rationalizing. Read the head-note, the people who even wrote this had to acknowledge that none of these were prophesies, they were foreshadowings. Despite the ominous suggestions of foreshadows, they are not prophesies.

Now, on to technical aspects. Here's your example:

Leviticus 17:11 (used as a prophesy)

I'll use your NIV version for the sake of ease.

"For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life."

Very sneaky, but no dice. This verse is about Yom Kippur, where animals were sacrificed at the Temple to atone for sins. The -only- blood that is considered Kabbalistically and Halachicly clean is the blood spilled upon the altar in the Temple. When an animal was sacrificed at the temple, its blood was collected and then ritually burned, this was the act necessary for atonement. Now, since we don't have the Temple anymore, we have Yom Kippur.

Sorry, but this has absolutely nothing at all to do with Messianic prophesy.

Now, if you want me to do a point-by-point of every one of these, I will indulge you, but I'd hope you won't because I really don't think that's necessary. Unless you want to question my integrity.

Onwards!

Jesus lineage is a tricky issue. Firstly, Jesus isn't a MALE (note that I previously said male descendant, not just descendant, as the prophesy on the subject mandates that he be a male descendant) descendant of David. Unless you want to admit Joseph is his biological father, of course. The same goes for tribal affiliations. Jesus was not a member of the tribe of Judah. And it doesn't count to say that Joseph was his legal guardian, because even in the cases of children born out of wedlock, those children would not bear the tribal affiliations of their fathers due to the sinful way in which they were born. Exceptions have been made, but those exceptions only came from the Kohen Gadol (high priest) and the King.

And finally, Luke 3 and Matthew 1 (after reading them) give two completely different genealogies. Matthew 1 says his grandfather was Jacob (not THE Jacob, of course), and Luke 3 says that it was Heli. Some comparing of notes was probably in order, methinks. But it's still moot, because he's not a male descendant until you're willing to say that Joseph was his biological father.


And finally, since Inquisitor is still beating the "you're damned" horse, I'm just going to toss a verse I came across in your own book, Romans 1:16.