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 Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:36 pm
My friend are all pro-choice and i am reeeeally confused. I joined this guild because I always hear about Pro-Choicers but never the Pro-Life side. I want to know what to think about Pro-Life. not what my friends want me to. So, what does Pro-Life believe?
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Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:58 pm
pretty simple really: That it's not right to kill human beings for the sake of convienence.
Sorry if that comes off as a bit blunt, but that's pretty much it. I assume you have questions? We could probably do better if we had some of those to respond to.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 8:47 am
Eh, basically that it's not okay to take a life just because you feel like it. Though I'm speaking as a vegetarian; I don't believe ending a sentient life is ever justified except in extreme cases of self-defence.
Even if it's "leeching off your body," it's not trying to hurt you, it's just how humans reproduce, and nobody *needs* to get rid of it.
All of my irl friends are pro-choice, too. gonk As was my late fiance. But they're smart enough not to say things like "keep your bible out of my uterus!" knowing full well I'm not Christian.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:26 pm
I see abortion as something that robs people of bodily integrity, and takes away the quality of life.
For it dehumanizes all people. It loosens relationships, and love. It makes a life of love and goals and character dependent on when a child is conceived, as opposed to the fact that it is already conceived.
An abortion-free world doesn't take away women's rights.
But abortion takes away every single right of a person with a pro-choice mother.
Even life.
I'm pretty liberal on a lot of things. Sex, prostitution, drugs.
But when these things begin to destroy lives, before they even begin . . . my voice will be heard.
Vote pro-life, m'dear. Because you're worth it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:20 pm
Ok well, Ive hear people say that pro-lifers are Jesus freaks and they don't have a right to say what a women can or cannot do to her body. I don't like that. I want to know if thats true, or if youre just trying to help. Is abortion murder? Or just Convinience?
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:29 pm
we come from all walks of life. we simply want to save the life of the child. we honestly don't care about the "convenience" of the woman, for these "rights" are pitted against the value of another's life.
we are atheists, we are agnostic, we are buddhist. we are whatever we want to be, united by the common goal of making life a guarantee, not a 3/4 chance.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:47 pm
TwistedSister13 Ok well, Ive hear people say that pro-lifers are Jesus freaks and they don't have a right to say what a women can or cannot do to her body. I don't like that. Good. Because there's no one here that fits that description.
I'm Catholic, yes. But I'm not Ned Flanders.
Also, I wouldn't direct that Jesus freak comment towards the atheists, Buddhists, Jews, or Pagans in this guild.
Abortion isn't taking control over your own body. Abortion is taking control over someone else's body, who is not mentally developed enough to comprehend where it is or who its mother is. Quote: I want to know if thats true, or if youre just trying to help. Is abortion murder? Or just Convinience? Our only hopes are to help.
It's not murder by legal terms. But neither was the Holocaust.
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Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:30 pm
divineseraph we come from all walks of life. we simply want to save the life of the child. we honestly don't care about the "convenience" of the woman, for these "rights" are pitted against the value of another's life. we are atheists, we are agnostic, we are buddhist. we are whatever we want to be, united by the common goal of making life a guarantee, not a 3/4 chance. I wouldn't say that we don't care about convenience but, rather, that we don't believe the convenience of the mother overrules the rights of the child. No, Pro-Lifers are not all "Jesus Freaks," nor Bible thumpers. There are many Christian Pro-Lifers, and there is a very small minority that are Pro-Lifers only because they are Christian, but most Pro-Lifers believe what they do because they have taken the evidence, weighed it, and decided that the mother's right to bodily integrity does not override the fetus' right to life.
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 3:23 pm
Ebony the Peacian Vampire
Abortion isn't taking control over your own body. Abortion is taking control over someone else's body, who is not mentally developed enough to comprehend where it is or who its mother is.
Well said. A human dies during an abortion, and it's not the pregnant woman, is it? Talk about violating someone's bodily integrity...I think dying is worse than being forced to be pregnant, but hey, I'm just a crazy neo-con bible-thumper...
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:30 pm
TwistedSister13 Ok well, Ive hear people say that pro-lifers are Jesus freaks and they don't have a right to say what a women can or cannot do to her body. I don't like that.
The only thing is, is that I feel that a person cannot have their life taken away for the convenience of another. It's an unnacceptable thing to me because people should be able to live their lives however they want to, and they won't be able to if that's taken away from them.
As for being a Jesus-freak, I'm agnostic. I don't hold belief in God, because I don't feel I gain anything from a religion, in my heart. And I think that if you believe in a religion, you should do it because it makes you feel good about yourself.
I have a good attitude about different faiths, probably because I don't really have one.Quote: I Is abortion murder? Or just Convinience?
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Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:05 pm
TwistedSister13 Ok well, Ive hear people say that pro-lifers are Jesus freaks and they don't have a right to say what a women can or cannot do to her body. I don't like that. I want to know if thats true, or if youre just trying to help. Is abortion murder? Or just Convinience? Abortion is killing, but not murder from a legal standpoint (unless you use another definition of murder, as in to mean "something really bad" or "the killing of a fetus" or even "something I don't like" which makes it murder to you, but not to the courts - and is fine, for you). Anyone who says that all of any group are one thing is most likely wrong (unless they are being really vague, like "all Pro-Lifers are people" or "all Pro-Choicers have eyes"). I'm sure that there is a Pro-Lifer or two that could be considered to thump a Bible (maybe even one who has joined this Guild, though I haven't seen any). But even though there are many Christian Pro-Lifers, many of them have reasons other than their religion/church that influence them to be Pro-Life. There are even Christian Pro-Choicers. And probably some Christians that don't have an opinion one way or the other. And everyone has a right to have an opinion on the subject, and even a right to try and get their personal moral choice on this issue made into law. Some people on both sides do feel that the other side has gone too far in influencing women, the public, the government, puppies, etc. and has maybe taken things out of context or said misleading things to try to convince people that one side or the other is right/wrong. Really it is up to you. If you feel that the life of the fetus/choice of the woman is more important, you will know which side of this issue (if any) is best for you. Being pressured to feel one way or the other by your friends/family/peers/television/the subliminal messages your microwave sends out probably makes you feel very confused. But most people find that when they objectively look at this issue, one side or the other seems to be more correct to them (and this side of course veries from person to person). That was long. Good luck dealing with your friends and thinking things through!
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 12:23 am
rofl I recall myself muttering in my sleep, "Pro-Choice is just not giving ******** what everyone else does..."
Dunno where I got that from, but I probably didn't mean it that way.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:26 am
there's also Christians that are very able to seperate what they believe from what they believe should be enforced. I consider myself a christian, yet i am quite able to keep what i believe is right and wrong seperate from what i believe should be legal and illegal. I also know there are christians on the pro-choice side of the argument, and i'm sure they are thrilled to have other christians called names and such by people who claim to be on the same side as them.
And even if we were all 'Bible thumping Jesus freaks,' It wouldn't give anybody the right to negate any logical argument we came up with simply because they ridicule what we believe. It's intolerant and, quite honestly, ignorant.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:28 pm
i don't give a ******** what other poeple do. to themselves.
throw another human life into the mix, though, and i slam the brakes on that theory.
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 5:39 pm
divineseraph i don't give a ******** what other poeple do. to themselves. throw another human life into the mix, though, and i slam the brakes on that theory. Meh, then let's make Blood Donation MANDATORY! Excusa Mua, but here, I'm not even GOING to bother talking back. Really, I DO NOT want to argue here. I'm not here to debate or ANYTHING, okay? If you Seriously want a debate, then PM me. I only do formal debates, by the way.
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