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Chava89

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:44 am


I just observed Yom Kippur for the first time (As I am becoming a Jew by Choice and am still in the conversion process.). I just wanted to share my first experiance.
As I walked into the Shul it was apparant that alot of people had only come because they knew it was important not because they really wanted to be there but then there was the overwhelming majority that was there. The people who came to pray and seek the forgiveness of HaShem. I was of course nervous due to the large amount of people of which I only know a few.
Without luck I found no one I knew to sit by (I was there a little early) so I sat in the middle of a row by myself and waited for the service to begin. Slowly the row I was sitting in began to fill up, not with the righteous and happy people I am used to seeing at Shul on Shabbat, they were more solemn and serious. As we began the morning's prayers it seemed more people than usual joined in the minority that say their prayers aloud every morning.
Holding the siddur in one hand I began to read the prayers they were saying in Hebrew, in the English transliteration. The words were moving and sincere written flawlessly. I began to pray to HaShem instead of wondering where we were in the Hebrew. (lol I was behind the whole service because of this).
When we came to the prayer where it lists the sins we have committed and everyone said them aloud I felt ashamed and a little sad as though I'd hurt someone. I could pick out which ones I was guilty of. It was as though I was there naked and open before HaShem.
As the service ended and people began to leave I walked out of the Shul wondering if HaShem had truly forgiven me for the awful things I had done during the past year. Sure I had fasted along with everyone else and prayed with them and I'm not even Jewish yet! But still in some way I felt the need to atone for all 613 commandments and not just the 7 Noachide laws I might have broken.
Has anyone ever felt that they did everything they could but it just didn't seem to be enough?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:53 am


Chava89

Has anyone ever felt that they did everything they could but it just didn't seem to be enough?


Yes, I feel it every day 3nodding

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Zapper13

PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:51 pm


You know it. I mean, I'm a reform Jew and I want to start following the 613 commandments the way Adonai meant us to, but to be perfectly honest, I have no one to guide me. So I kow I'm not doing enough... but I don't know what to do... and that's really frustrating!
PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:52 pm


Zapper13
You know it. I mean, I'm a reform Jew and I want to start following the 613 commandments the way Adonai meant us to, but to be perfectly honest, I have no one to guide me. So I kow I'm not doing enough... but I don't know what to do... and that's really frustrating!


You do know that there will be some of those 613 that you wont be able to follow, right?

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ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:19 am


Donovinhs Knight
You do know that there will be some of those 613 that you wont be able to follow, right?
about 540 of them
PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:27 am


ZonkotheSane
Donovinhs Knight
You do know that there will be some of those 613 that you wont be able to follow, right?
about 540 of them


Like... Which? It's impossible that G-d will give us a mission that we couldn't bare to take...

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ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:46 am


tsshark
ZonkotheSane
Donovinhs Knight
You do know that there will be some of those 613 that you wont be able to follow, right?
about 540 of them


Like... Which? It's impossible that G-d will give us a mission that we couldn't bare to take...
everything and anything concerning the bais hamikdash, for starters. the chofetz chaim wrote something on it, i think.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:02 pm


There are lists of the mitzvot at such places as http://www.613.org and you can do a Google search for 613 mitzvot and come up with other lists, re-ordered or redefined in various ways by different sages.

It's not that you couldn't bear to do the mitzvot, Donovinhs Knight. No one's saying you're not strong enough or smart enough or pious enough. It's just that not every mitzvah applies to you.

Some mitzvot only apply if you're bringing a sacrifice to the Temple (Beit Mikdash), which isn't standing. Some apply only if you're living in Jerusalem, or in the land of Israel (Biblical boundaries, not necessarily modern ones). Some only apply if you're living outside Eretz Yisrael.

Some of the laws apply only to Kohanim, others to only Leviim, and others only to non-Kohein, non-Leivi Jews. Some laws only apply to converts who have converted, and others only to converts in the process of conversion. Some only apply to non-Jews who are living in a Jewish community, whether they do or don't ever intend to convert.

Some laws apply only to women and some only to men.

Some laws only apply once you've transgressed another law. Some only apply if you're a soldier at war. Some only apply if you're a ruling monarch.

In other words, it is quite literally impossible to follow EVERY law. Hashem never meant you to have to do all of them. What it means to follow all the laws is that you follow the ones that apply to you, and you support those who need to follow the other laws by trying not to make it harder on them than it has to be. This is one of the many reasons that Jews need community, and one of the many reasons why Jews need non-Jews in the world as well, Noachides. Judaism recognizes diversity in humanity. We are ALL in the image of Hashem, and even so, Hashem is more than all of us combined. But we are all facets, sparks, of G*D's divinity, trying to do G*D's will in the world as best we know how, to our own abilities, in order that more and more of G*D can be revealed in the world.

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Rev Shrubbery

PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:29 am


Zapper13
You know it. I mean, I'm a reform Jew and I want to start following the 613 commandments the way Adonai meant us to, but to be perfectly honest, I have no one to guide me. So I kow I'm not doing enough... but I don't know what to do... and that's really frustrating!


It is.

When I get into that state of mind, I like to think about the fact that, despite Judaism's overwhelming minority status, it has given a lot to the world. Judaism claims more nobel prizes to its members than Islam and Hinduism combined--even though they both outnumber us considerably. This says something: we are close enough as a community to change the world; there is enough support out there to help you. I love Judaism, because I feel like as long as there is even one other Jew out there, there is guidance.

On another note, some of the 613 commandments are either irrelevant or impractical. For example: "Every man must write a Torah scroll." I would suggest that you get yourself a list and think about the whole thing metaphysically, except for the more basic things like keeping kosher and observance of holidays.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:54 pm


Corrupt Harmony
On another note, some of the 613 commandments are either irrelevant or impractical. For example: "Every man must write a Torah scroll." I would suggest that you get yourself a list and think about the whole thing metaphysically, except for the more basic things like keeping kosher and observance of holidays.
"...the rest is commentary"

the commentary serves a very important purpose. namely, making sure we know what the hell anything means. for example, while the greatest extant of that particular mitzvah is to write an entire scroll, one need only write a single letter of the scroll to fulfill it.

metaphysical=kabalah. kabalah just explains certain things that one wouldn't notice anyway. it has nothing to do with actually fulfilling the mitzvah(s).

ZonkotheSane

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