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 Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:26 pm
is it wrong to be homosexual? but because i'm saying this don't think i'm gay. b/c i am definitely NOT a f**. i just wanna know. i don't think so; if two men/women love each other, they should love each other freely.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:53 pm
I have alot o' problems with the idea of homosexuality... I tolerate it, but... That's as far as I go. I believe that if someone "loves" another of the same sex they are family not lovers.
I treat alot of my friends like I do my family... they are family. Just not seen as often as family. So I guess in answer to your question... No, I do not think that it is "Ok". They just need to open up to the opposite sex.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:02 pm
Here is what I got from another guild, it might help. Mahlyndah Well here it goes *sigh*. The Bible is clearly against homosexuality, 1 Corinthians 6:8j-10 : Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, (K) adulterers, (L) male prostitutes, homosexuals, (M) 10 thieves, (N) greedy (O) people, drunkards, revilers, (P) or swindlers (Q) will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB) 1 Timothy 1:9-11 We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, (P) for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral (Q) and homosexuals, (R) for kidnappers, liars, (S) perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching (T) 11 based on the glorious gospel (U) of the blessed God (V) that was entrusted to me. (HCSB) Passage Romans 1:25-32: 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator�who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (NIV) Also it is unnatural, it is like putting a bolt and a bolt together and saying it is a perfect fit, or putting a nut with a nut and saying it is a perfect fit, but truly the nut screws onto the bolt. Same with the design of the male and female bodies. Also God made Adam and Eve instead of Adam and Steve for a reason. My heart and the Holy Spirit tell me I'm right. Here is some visual aid (for the nut and bolt thing):  Sorry if one of the pictures is "inappropriate (however you spell that word)"*edit* Thanks to thejesusfreak for writing this.
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:09 am
well homosexuality itself indeed is a sin
and is equally as bad as all other sins
this displeases our Heavenly Father
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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:04 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:07 pm
Hey butthole would you say "******" when addressing a civil rights issue ? didn't think so. so keep your "f**" stuff to yourself. because i am one.I don't appreciate the derogatory language. in answer of your question. no there is nothing wrong with being gay.
*edited for spelling and language*
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:41 am
Please use appropriate language when posting, I'm sorry for not catching this earlier, but lets not get carried away here.
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:44 am
I edited the language and spelling errors.
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:22 pm
Lithanus Here is what I got from another guild, it might help. Mahlyndah Well here it goes *sigh*. The Bible is clearly against homosexuality, 1 Corinthians 6:8j-10 : Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, (K) adulterers, (L) male prostitutes, homosexuals, (M) 10 thieves, (N) greedy (O) people, drunkards, revilers, (P) or swindlers (Q) will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB) 1 Timothy 1:9-11 We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, (P) for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral (Q) and homosexuals, (R) for kidnappers, liars, (S) perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching (T) 11 based on the glorious gospel (U) of the blessed God (V) that was entrusted to me. (HCSB) Passage Romans 1:25-32: 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator�who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (NIV) Also it is unnatural, it is like putting a bolt and a bolt together and saying it is a perfect fit, or putting a nut with a nut and saying it is a perfect fit, but truly the nut screws onto the bolt. Same with the design of the male and female bodies. Also God made Adam and Eve instead of Adam and Steve for a reason. My heart and the Holy Spirit tell me I'm right. Here is some visual aid (for the nut and bolt thing): Sorry if one of the pictures is "inappropriate (however you spell that word)"*edit* Thanks to thejesusfreak for writing this. Veni, vidi, vici. thejesusfreak Well here it goes *sigh*. The Bible is clearly against homosexuality, 1 Corinthians 6:8j-10 : Do not be deceived: no sexually immoral people, idolaters, (K) adulterers, (L) male prostitutes, homosexuals, (M) 10 thieves, (N) greedy (O) people, drunkards, revilers, (P) or swindlers (Q) will inherit God's kingdom. (HCSB) 1 Timothy 1:9-11 We know that the law is not meant for a righteous person, but for the lawless and rebellious, (P) for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and irreverent, for those who kill their fathers and mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral (Q) and homosexuals, (R) for kidnappers, liars, (S) perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching (T) 11 based on the glorious gospel (U) of the blessed God (V) that was entrusted to me. (HCSB) I shall quote Ananel's essay. Ananel 1) The two lists are poorly translated in the cases of homosexuality. Three words are found in these passages that are used to relate to homosexual sex: Pornia, Arsenokoitas and Malakoi. Pornia means pervert. That’s all it really means. It refers to sexual perversion, but makes no statement as to what that perversion is. It is far too general to relate to homosexual sex. Malakoi refers to softness or effeminacy, with implications of perversion. The term is used to refer to a man who is too passionate and emotional, and who acts upon these. It relates to the Grecian concepts of gender identity. The man was not to be emotional in this fashion. If one stretches the meaning of the word, examples are found where Malakoi may refer to the ‘bottom’ partner of pederasty. This is a relationship wherein a teenage boy traded sexual favors with an older man in return for guidance and training. It was common within Greek society and accepted in Roman society. Arsenokoitas is a compound word derived from the Greek words for man and bed. While this sounds like a clear reference to homosexuality to our modern ears, there is a problem. The word does not appear at any point prior to Paul’s letters. To our knowledge, he created the term himself. Its usage in all other cases I am aware of either represents something akin to an aggressive sexual predator or, more commonly, the ‘top’ partner in pederasty. At most these verses could possibly have listed pederasty as a crime, but not homosexual sex alone. You cannot read into the text the fact that, because something condemned includes another thing, that other thing is automatically condemned as well. For example, a person who breaks the commandment about not bearing false testimony against one’s neighbor must communicate to do so. Communication is not condemned, is it? The condemnation of pederasty cannot be clearly related, even in consideration of Jewish morals that Paul is familiar with, to a condemnation of homosexual sex. Look at http://www.clgs.org/5/5_4_3.html for further details on the specifics of Arsenokoites and Malakoi. Quote: Passage Romans 1:25-32: 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator�who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (NIV) While I thank you for the handy underlines, you might have misread the passage. Let me reline for you. Now. The first underlined word, lust, is condemned everywhere in the bible, and is not simply a condemnation of homosexuality. Using it as such is a perversion of the original texts. Next, we have a grammatical issue. The bolded words "furthermore, since" mean that what comes AFTER the "since" is the reason for condemnation by god, the second underlined portion. That's idolatry, and rejection of God, which is also condemned throughout the bible. Now, the last part, in italics, is "to do what ought not to be done". If God is giving these sinners over NOW, then they must not have actually been doing anything sinful yet. And look, the list of punishments he gives them seems to contain nearly every kind of sin in the bible! EXCEPT homosexuality. I wonder why? Quote: Also it is unnatural, it is like putting a bolt and a bolt together and saying it is a perfect fit, or putting a nut with a nut and saying it is a perfect fit, but truly the nut screws onto the bolt. Homosexuality has been documented in over 400 kinds of animals. Besides, just because something exists in nature does not mean it is right. Cannibalism exists in nature. Computers do not. Is cannibalism more right through nature, or are computers less moral? No. That's actually called the "Naturalistic Fallacy". Homosexuality in Animals- Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity- Salon: The Fabulous Kingdom of Gay Animals- Homosexual Behaviors in Animals- National Geographic: Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate- Wikipedia: Homosexuality in Animals- Seattle Times Article- Conversion Therapy Did Not Work for Penguins- More Fruit Flies: Females- Inside The Mind Of Gay SheepQuote: Same with the design of the male and female bodies. Also God made Adam and Eve instead of Adam and Steve for a reason. My heart and the Holy Spirit tell me I'm right. Appeal to tradition fallacy. Also, hearts and voices in your head are notorious for being biased toward your own prejudices. Quote: Here is some visual aid (for the nut and bolt thing): Sorry if one of the pictures is "inappropriate (however you spell that word)"=D Those aren't from the bible! They are somewhat funny, but they mean nothing whatsoever. Oh yeah; I'm gay, and Christian.
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:51 pm
Mmmkay. Being gay is wrong. For starters, I have a question:
People say the being gay isn't some sort of mental issue...then why do they let ***** and people who sleep with animals be seen as wrong but gays as OK? As far as I see, that's the same thing. 'Sexual Preference' right? You prefer the same sex (yes, sexual preference is who you sleep with), so they prefer animals and kids. Wow. Wrong much?
Being gay is the same thing.
Lots of people who are gay have fought against it after they realized the true calling of God for them to leave sin- and they managed to escape from that trap of the devil. So how can they manage to get back on the right road and the others can't? Try reading magazines besides 'vogue' and stuff that supports gays and read magazines that are Christian related. Being gay is like always sinning- and you take that to Christ and tell Him you love Him.
And note why animals who have that 'way' tend not to survive. And so starts the comparison of putting man and beast side by side. So just because a bird does its business on the ground, so will you? And people act insulted by being called insults derived from an animals. Seems not right to imitate them then. So if a messed a psycho kills, so can you. very logical. confused So because a sheep is gay you can be too. RIIIGHT.
The fact that the teachings of the Bible say it isn't right for homosexuality should say something. And please, none of that 'It could have been changed over the years'. Good heaven yes, then why not change evrything? Because it just so happens we're picky against gays.
I will not tolerate it. In this society people say it's OK, but I disagree. And good for those who stick up for the teachings of God.
If you are gay don't justify it's right. Because it isn't. No matter how much you butcher the posts of those who have solid support. The last thing we need is 'The Bible supports gays!!! '
"In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another" displays the wrongfullness of gays. Or just READ the Bible, for the sake of my sanity. Some things are literal.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:04 pm
Dark Regrets Mmmkay. Being gay is wrong. For starters, I have a question: People say the being gay isn't some sort of mental issue...then why do they let ***** and people who sleep with animals be seen as wrong but gays as OK? As far as I see, that's the same thing. 'Sexual Preference' right? You prefer the same sex (yes, sexual preference is who you sleep with), so they prefer animals and kids. Wow. Wrong much? Being gay is the same thing. Lots of people who are gay have fought against it after they realized the true calling of God for them to leave sin- and they managed to escape from that trap of the devil. So how can they manage to get back on the right road and the others can't? Try reading magazines besides 'vogue' and stuff that supports gays and read magazines that are Christian related. Being gay is like always sinning- and you take that to Christ and tell Him you love Him. And note why animals who have that 'way' tend not to survive. And so starts the comparison of putting man and beast side by side. So just because a bird does its business on the ground, so will you? And people act insulted by being called insults derived from an animals. Seems not right to imitate them then. So if a messed a psycho kills, so can you. very logical. confused So because a sheep is gay you can be too. RIIIGHT. The fact that the teachings of the Bible say it isn't right for homosexuality should say something. And please, none of that 'It could have been changed over the years'. Good heaven yes, then why not change evrything? Because it just so happens we're picky against gays. I will not tolerate it. In this society people say it's OK, but I disagree. And good for those who stick up for the teachings of God. If you are gay don't justify it's right. Because it isn't. No matter how much you butcher the posts of those who have solid support. The last thing we need is 'The Bible supports gays!!! ' "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another" displays the wrongfullness of gays. Or just READ the Bible, for the sake of my sanity. Some things are literal. Being a ***** is very much diffrent as being say since your taking advantage of a child, while homosexuality is the concension of two men/women. As far as beatiality goes, your taking advantage of a dumb animal. You think a male sheep would want a mans c**k in him....... And people don't realize that the world is moving away from Christianity. If the American goverment, talking about the states souly right now, ran by the bible, prayer would still be in schools. So for the goverment to tell two men, who want to have sex with each other, that they can't is like making people become Christians. Which isn't the Christian way is it? heres an argument you should is if homosexuals can't help it neither canpedophiles. Which I think is what you said, but then you went into how you wonder why one is excepted and one isn't. Which I explained. For the record I beleive the bible does state in black in white that homosexuallity is wrong, and I beleive that one needs to try to work themselves out of it to be closer to Christ. Lazy people can work through they laziness, angry people can work through their anger, and greedy people can work through their greediness. All three are mental, like homosexuallity. All can be helped. I for one will not say all the verses in the bible that speak on gluttony have exceptions even though that is my biggest sin.
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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 10:14 pm
No offense but..... Lazarus The Resurected so keep your "f**" stuff to yourself. because i am one. That made me split a side laughing.
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Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:49 am
CW Hart Dark Regrets Mmmkay. Being gay is wrong. For starters, I have a question: People say the being gay isn't some sort of mental issue...then why do they let ***** and people who sleep with animals be seen as wrong but gays as OK? As far as I see, that's the same thing. 'Sexual Preference' right? You prefer the same sex (yes, sexual preference is who you sleep with), so they prefer animals and kids. Wow. Wrong much? Being gay is the same thing. Lots of people who are gay have fought against it after they realized the true calling of God for them to leave sin- and they managed to escape from that trap of the devil. So how can they manage to get back on the right road and the others can't? Try reading magazines besides 'vogue' and stuff that supports gays and read magazines that are Christian related. Being gay is like always sinning- and you take that to Christ and tell Him you love Him. And note why animals who have that 'way' tend not to survive. And so starts the comparison of putting man and beast side by side. So just because a bird does its business on the ground, so will you? And people act insulted by being called insults derived from an animals. Seems not right to imitate them then. So if a messed a psycho kills, so can you. very logical. confused So because a sheep is gay you can be too. RIIIGHT. The fact that the teachings of the Bible say it isn't right for homosexuality should say something. And please, none of that 'It could have been changed over the years'. Good heaven yes, then why not change evrything? Because it just so happens we're picky against gays. I will not tolerate it. In this society people say it's OK, but I disagree. And good for those who stick up for the teachings of God. If you are gay don't justify it's right. Because it isn't. No matter how much you butcher the posts of those who have solid support. The last thing we need is 'The Bible supports gays!!! ' "In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another" displays the wrongfullness of gays. Or just READ the Bible, for the sake of my sanity. Some things are literal. Being a ***** is very much diffrent as being say since your taking advantage of a child, while homosexuality is the concension of two men/women. As far as beatiality goes, your taking advantage of a dumb animal. You think a male sheep would want a mans c**k in him....... And people don't realize that the world is moving away from Christianity. If the American goverment, talking about the states souly right now, ran by the bible, prayer would still be in schools. So for the goverment to tell two men, who want to have sex with each other, that they can't is like making people become Christians. Which isn't the Christian way is it? heres an argument you should is if homosexuals can't help it neither canpedophiles. Which I think is what you said, but then you went into how you wonder why one is excepted and one isn't. Which I explained. For the record I beleive the bible does state in black in white that homosexuallity is wrong, and I beleive that one needs to try to work themselves out of it to be closer to Christ. Lazy people can work through they laziness, angry people can work through their anger, and greedy people can work through their greediness. All three are mental, like homosexuallity. All can be helped. I for one will not say all the verses in the bible that speak on gluttony have exceptions even though that is my biggest sin. But it's a sexual preference. I'm not talking about consent- I'm talking about so called rights. Why deny the desires of people like them? They feel things? So what if the child consents, hmm? that's a different matter, but instead of adults, they prefer their sexual 'bonds' with kids. Hey, he was the one who stated the 'natural' bond of gay sheep. And yes, the bible says it. But people don't seem to want to find it for themselves. And gays, like *****, can get help. I know a man who was helped by the Church- and healed. So why can he do, but others can't? Because they don't seek help. They are allowed to do, and people are letting the sin spread, and call it normal, and 'sexual preference'. I agree with some of the things you said though, with the greed and the like.
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:32 am
Quote: But it's a sexual preference. I'm not talking about consent- I'm talking about so called rights Yes it's their right. You can't expect non-christians to follow the christian ways. I'm just saying, in a non-christians point of view, that it isn't hurting anyone else. That's why they have the right. Quote: So what if the child consents, hmm? that's a different matter, but instead of adults, they prefer their sexual 'bonds' with kids. Can you word this alittle better? Because if your telling me that their is no diffrence between homosexuals and *****, you need to learn the concept of age of understanding. A 5 year old letting a 20 year old having their way with them is alot more diffrent then two men, who are old enough to choose their paths in life, to have sexual intercourse. Quote: And yes, the bible says it. But people don't seem to want to find it for themselves. I never said it didn't. I'm saying that people who expect non-christian homosexuals to stop being homosexuals because the bible said so are being delusional. Now to convert them into it is another story. Quote: And gays, like *****, can get help. I agree, only if they want it. But some homosexuals are happy living as homosexuals. Quote: I know a man who was helped by the Church- and healed. So why can he do, but others can't? Because they don't seek help Above point made. Not everyone wants help. And you only need it if you think you do. To go up to someone and say "Your gay you need help" is not only showing a lack of interest of what the other person might think of their lifestyle, but also will, yes will, loose someone who might decide they would rather follow a christian life. Quote: They are allowed to do, and people are letting the sin spread, and call it normal, and 'sexual preference' Yes because in their eyes it isn't sinning, it's their choice in life. I will admit that saying homosexuality can't be considered as normal as being straight since you can't have a child that way, but neither is masturbating, S&M, or a**l sex, yet the not as much emphasis are being put on those things. Hell having sex with rubber between two transexuals can't really be called natural if you think hard enough on it. It's a choice plain and simple. It's what they want. The whole idea of saying, "I can't help being gay." is just an excuse. Once they say, "I choose to be gay because it's my life." Then we can drop the argument of whether or not it's a choice and then move on to simply seeking if they are willing to see what the bible has to say. Quote: I agree with some of the things you said though, with the greed and the like. Honestly the only thing we disagree on is whether or not they have the right to choose to be homosexual in their life. God did give man freewill. (Rush song pops into head, no it dosn't have anything to do with homosexuality)
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:20 am
CW what I mean about sexual preference....NOT CONSENT. OY. OBVIOUSLY, the sexual preference of a ***** is what he or she wants. Not necessary what the kid wants. That's what I'm getting at. NOT consent, ok? I GET IT. I KNOW. I'm stating the PREFERENCE. Listen to me for a second. confused
And we could get into a huge debate about the other stuff but I'mnot in the mood for arguing or debating about this. -sigh- You have your view, I have mine. I expressed my views. There we go.
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