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kyousuke9876

PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:45 pm


As everyone knows, the FF7 storyline can be confusing at some points, even for people who have played it several times. One of the more confusing points is the "Sephiroth Clones", and the "Reunion".

Although I have not played the Japanese version of the game, I am almost certain that they translated the original japanese word "bunshin" into the word "clone" for the English version. If that is the case, it clarifies a great deal of the storyline.

The English word clone means genetic duplicate or copy. The Japanese word bunshin, however, can also mean offshoot, child, or other self. In other words, a bunshin is not a duplicate, but rather a piece of the original. For the sephiroth clones, it makes sense that if people were injected with jenova cells, it would alter thier body, they would be subject to sephiroth's and jenova's will, and they would in effect become bunshin of sephiroth.

Under this interpretation, the Reunion makes much more sense as well. All the "clones" are actually "bunshin", pieces, of Jenova. The reunion theory stated that if separated, all the different parts of jenova would seek to rejoin the original in a single reunion. Makes sense now, doesn't it?

If you substitute the word bunshin for clone in the story, everything is much clearer. Cloud was injected with Jenova cells, but he was a failed bunshin. He did not escape before some unmentioned DNA manipulation as suggested by some. He just did not complete the transformation, was deemed a failure, and left to rot.

If anyone has played the japanese version, it would be great if I could confirm that the original word used was "bunshin".

Please make comments on what you think of this viewpoint.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 8:58 pm


It made sense to me with Clone still being the term in use.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:19 pm


I never thought I had problems understanding the game. A lot of translation errors I see posted. I can't say I ever remember noticing them. I mean... maybe my reading comprehension is just high enough to know how to interpret something without it being spoonfed to me.. but hey.. that's just me. wink cool
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:06 pm


eek wow.... that makes alot of sence... everything is clearer now!! although not crystal clear, it's definatly clearer

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:12 pm


Sadly, I am not a mod, so I cannot lock this. Though this is a great point, this should have gone in the Unanswered Questions/Misconseptions sticky.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:18 pm


Vincent M. Martyr
Sadly, I am not a mod, so I cannot lock this. Though this is a great point, this should have gone in the Unanswered Questions/Misconseptions sticky.
Meh, Ill move it there tomorrow morning.

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SefieGainsborough

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:02 am


That DOES make alot more sense. I rather understood their usage of "Clone" to have the same meaning as "Bunshin" like you're saying('cept of course I didn't know about that word xD).
Hmm, I wonder if that same word would be used for the SHM in AC?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:04 am


Thats a damn good question. I dont think theyd fit under either word since they arent exactly clones in the literal sense, or even real people who could be considered similar. Sure they are very similar, but theyre more of a physical manifestation of what Sephiroth was sans Jenova.

soadshuyin


SefieGainsborough

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:13 am


In one of the (many) interviews with the staff about AC(I think this may even be in the Ultimania) it was said that the SHM were remnants of Sephiroth. Loz was his cruelty, Yazoo his sensuality, and I forget what Kadaj was....
But that's just so darn CONFUSING >.<
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:15 am


SefieGainsborough
In one of the (many) interviews with the staff about AC(I think this may even be in the Ultimania) it was said that the SHM were remnants of Sephiroth. Loz was his cruelty, Yazoo his sensuality, and I forget what Kadaj was....
But that's just so darn CONFUSING >.<
Thats exactly what they are. Physical manifestations of what Sephiroth was, sans Jenova. Sephiroth was far too powerful an individual to let a little thing like death stop him. Hell, hed been "living" in a Mako cocoon for the past 5 years. His will and power was the true final battle in the original game. He was definatly not easily gotten rid of. The trio are simply what he left behind in a hope to come back.

soadshuyin


SefieGainsborough

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:21 am


Hmm, k, I can understand that
But how did coming into contact with Jenova juices turn Kadaj into Sephiroth?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:24 am


SefieGainsborough
Hmm, k, I can understand that
But how did coming into contact with Jenova juices turn Kadaj into Sephiroth?
The reintroduction of Jenova cells with the remnant of Sephiroth. Jenova took over Kadaj and transformed him into the one-winged angel himself.

soadshuyin


SefieGainsborough

PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:27 am


Okie doke! xD Thanks for clearin' that up
(I need to watch AC a million more...but all the Cleris scenes just get meh so choked up!)
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