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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 12:44 am
Ever since the first note was made, music has been a form of expression. I think music influences people and music that music has helped shape the world today. It also refects the world. There are lots of songs out there, but discuss songs that have influenced your philosophical outlook. Please inclued quotes so that we can follow what you're on about.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 5:20 pm
Well, I've always found Rachmaninoff to be of beauty, especially Concerto No. 2... but it doesn't serve me philosophically. I imagine it's a relief for one to express emotion through music, but it can be done with much more ease without the carriage of pitch and rythm. I find the thing that makes music beautiful is the expression not of happy emotions, but of sad ones. The Buddha teaches that there is a path to a place where there is no suffering, there is a path to reach a point where one has no suffering, but there will be suffering unavoidably on that path. For this expression of sadness to be expressed through music that brings beauty to sad things, they are not seen as sad anymore, and that is very much a Buddhist teaching. Things that happen don't need to be sad, it is just our attachment that makes them so.
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 9:58 pm
Music subconsciencly affects everything we do...mood, activity, energy, etc.
People who listen to a lot of emo music tend to be more depressed...Satanic rockers tend to be more sadistical...Fans of classical music tend to be more calm and relaxed...
Even termites will work faster or slower depending on the type of music that's playing...
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:46 pm
dezrosatweaker Music subconsciencly affects everything we do...mood, activity, energy, etc. People who listen to a lot of emo music tend to be more depressed...Satanic rockers tend to be more sadistical...Fans of classical music tend to be more calm and relaxed... Even termites will work faster or slower depending on the type of music that's playing... So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering.
I do agree with the saying, "Music sooths the savage beast" I know that when I'm upset or mad or anything like that it always helps me to turn my music up loud and sing at the top of my lungs. It's therapeutic (sp?) in a way.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:47 pm
dezrosatweaker Music subconsciencly affects everything we do...mood, activity, energy, etc. People who listen to a lot of emo music tend to be more depressed...Satanic rockers tend to be more sadistical...Fans of classical music tend to be more calm and relaxed... Even termites will work faster or slower depending on the type of music that's playing... Neato. I didn't know that!
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:50 pm
TigerCatNails dezrosatweaker Music subconsciencly affects everything we do...mood, activity, energy, etc. People who listen to a lot of emo music tend to be more depressed...Satanic rockers tend to be more sadistical...Fans of classical music tend to be more calm and relaxed... Even termites will work faster or slower depending on the type of music that's playing... So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering.
I do agree with the saying, "Music sooths the savage beast" I know that when I'm upset or mad or anything like that it always helps me to turn my music up loud and sing at the top of my lungs. It's therapeutic (sp?) in a way.Well I dunno. Studies have shown that intense behavior like punching a pillow don't really calm your rage so much as accentuate it and express it in violent ways. Of course, I don't imagine belting music falls into that category, but yeah. Just a point.
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Socrates in Disguise Captain
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:38 pm
TigerCatNails So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering.
As far as my experience goes...yes, I doubt loud music when your angry would really be helpful...it is only delaying an unavoidable break down...like the whole "Serenity Now" anger therapy...not really realeasing it just giving it more room to grow. That's what I do whenever I get upset...barricaded in my room I blare the loudest music I own...then once I have control of myself I put on some soft emo stuff to calm me down...and sleep helps too.
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Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 9:09 am
dezrosatweaker TigerCatNails So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering. As far as my experience goes...yes, I doubt loud music when your angry would really be helpful...it is only delaying an unavoidable break down...like the whole "Serenity Now" anger therapy...not really realeasing it just giving it more room to grow. That's what I do whenever I get upset...barricaded in my room I blare the loudest music I own...then once I have control of myself I put on some soft emo stuff to calm me down...and sleep helps too. But it is helpful. It's completely different from the "Serenity Now" With that you are suppresing your anger, pushing it deep down inside of you. By singing at the top of my lungs I am releasing my anger in the only conducive way I know. Usually, it's either that or I scratch someone and make them bleed. And it's not like I play, angry music. Usually, it's fun music, just turned up really loud. Although, I must admit, part of it for me is probably the fact that I have a hard time with emotions, other than like happiness. I hate to be angry or sad or upset so I try to get rid of the feeling as soon as possible. I'm not saying it's healthy. It's just the way I am.
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 5:44 am
Yeah, I would agree to that. I'm listening to music right now... Sugarcults' Champagene.
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 1:00 pm
TigerCatNails dezrosatweaker TigerCatNails So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering. As far as my experience goes...yes, I doubt loud music when your angry would really be helpful...it is only delaying an unavoidable break down...like the whole "Serenity Now" anger therapy...not really realeasing it just giving it more room to grow. That's what I do whenever I get upset...barricaded in my room I blare the loudest music I own...then once I have control of myself I put on some soft emo stuff to calm me down...and sleep helps too. But it is helpful. It's completely different from the "Serenity Now" With that you are suppresing your anger, pushing it deep down inside of you. By singing at the top of my lungs I am releasing my anger in the only conducive way I know. Usually, it's either that or I scratch someone and make them bleed. And it's not like I play, angry music. Usually, it's fun music, just turned up really loud. Although, I must admit, part of it for me is probably the fact that I have a hard time with emotions, other than like happiness. I hate to be angry or sad or upset so I try to get rid of the feeling as soon as possible. I'm not saying it's healthy. It's just the way I am.I disagree with your last sentence, "it's just the way i am"... you say that a lot. I believe that if people can just look at their bodies and their lives from an outside point of view, they will be able to see that they are in control of all their opinions. But that's kinda not really related to the discussion at all. My question is, rather than try to shun your feelings or push them away or "get rid of them as soon as possible", why not just let it pass? Become a spectator of your own body and see that all sadnesses and angers and even all emotions, like happiness too, are temporary, and so they don't need to be at all! Why not just exist? I'm plenty happy just existing. When I'm sad I take time to meditate and just dwell in the feeling of being sad. Not thriving on it, not feeling remorse over it, just feeling it. The Buddha teaches that there IS a way to be happy all the time, and it is just this. He says the path to just existing and being happy is hard, and that there will be suffering along the way, it's unavoidable, but it can be attained. Music's fun, but I don't think it really serves much of a purpose pertaining to our emotions... or at least, doesn't have to.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:40 pm
I love music...and all different kinds! It calms me down, riles me up, saddens me, even depresses me. I think that music started as a form of expression and still is but in our modern society music has been corrupted. All of the swearing and drugs. It may be just these "artists" expressing their beleifs but I choose not to listen to these songs.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:59 pm
dezrosatweaker Music subconsciencly affects everything we do...mood, activity, energy, etc. People who listen to a lot of emo music tend to be more depressed...Satanic rockers tend to be more sadistical...Fans of classical music tend to be more calm and relaxed... Even termites will work faster or slower depending on the type of music that's playing... I can't really agree to that , I listen to wide array of music everything from Classical to the hardest metal to the insanity terms of techno and so forth, and all forms of music , depending on the person and the song itself can change the mood of someone , (I.e When I listen to a song it could make me happy , to some one else it could be the oppsite )
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:15 am
TheBeatnik TigerCatNails dezrosatweaker TigerCatNails So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering. As far as my experience goes...yes, I doubt loud music when your angry would really be helpful...it is only delaying an unavoidable break down...like the whole "Serenity Now" anger therapy...not really realeasing it just giving it more room to grow. That's what I do whenever I get upset...barricaded in my room I blare the loudest music I own...then once I have control of myself I put on some soft emo stuff to calm me down...and sleep helps too. But it is helpful. It's completely different from the "Serenity Now" With that you are suppresing your anger, pushing it deep down inside of you. By singing at the top of my lungs I am releasing my anger in the only conducive way I know. Usually, it's either that or I scratch someone and make them bleed. And it's not like I play, angry music. Usually, it's fun music, just turned up really loud. Although, I must admit, part of it for me is probably the fact that I have a hard time with emotions, other than like happiness. I hate to be angry or sad or upset so I try to get rid of the feeling as soon as possible. I'm not saying it's healthy. It's just the way I am.I disagree with your last sentence, "it's just the way i am"... you say that a lot. I believe that if people can just look at their bodies and their lives from an outside point of view, they will be able to see that they are in control of all their opinions. But that's kinda not really related to the discussion at all. My question is, rather than try to shun your feelings or push them away or "get rid of them as soon as possible", why not just let it pass? Become a spectator of your own body and see that all sadnesses and angers and even all emotions, like happiness too, are temporary, and so they don't need to be at all! Why not just exist? I'm plenty happy just existing. When I'm sad I take time to meditate and just dwell in the feeling of being sad. Not thriving on it, not feeling remorse over it, just feeling it. The Buddha teaches that there IS a way to be happy all the time, and it is just this. He says the path to just existing and being happy is hard, and that there will be suffering along the way, it's unavoidable, but it can be attained. Music's fun, but I don't think it really serves much of a purpose pertaining to our emotions... or at least, doesn't have to. But, it is the way I am. I can't change my character. I might want to sometimes, but I can't. As for why I try to get rid of my emotions instead of letting them pass, I don't believe I'm strong enough to do that. And I'm afraid I don't know how to become 'a spectator of my own body.' And I just don't know how to dwell. I can't stand feeling sad. I'm not trying to say that it's a good thing or that I should do that; I merely don't have the motivation to change.
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:22 pm
Music can very well affect everything about you. I know I can be in a crappy mood and I listen to a fast rock song I enjoy and my mood turns somewhat lighter. You can drown in music that makes you forget and just flow, or music that makes you remember and let it all out. Now a days music can even control who you hang out with, how you dress, how you act, how you are, and who you are.
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:25 pm
TigerCatNails TheBeatnik TigerCatNails dezrosatweaker TigerCatNails So, tell me, does that mean that those who listen to country music are more redneck? Just wondering. As far as my experience goes...yes, I doubt loud music when your angry would really be helpful...it is only delaying an unavoidable break down...like the whole "Serenity Now" anger therapy...not really realeasing it just giving it more room to grow. That's what I do whenever I get upset...barricaded in my room I blare the loudest music I own...then once I have control of myself I put on some soft emo stuff to calm me down...and sleep helps too. But it is helpful. It's completely different from the "Serenity Now" With that you are suppresing your anger, pushing it deep down inside of you. By singing at the top of my lungs I am releasing my anger in the only conducive way I know. Usually, it's either that or I scratch someone and make them bleed. And it's not like I play, angry music. Usually, it's fun music, just turned up really loud. Although, I must admit, part of it for me is probably the fact that I have a hard time with emotions, other than like happiness. I hate to be angry or sad or upset so I try to get rid of the feeling as soon as possible. I'm not saying it's healthy. It's just the way I am.I disagree with your last sentence, "it's just the way i am"... you say that a lot. I believe that if people can just look at their bodies and their lives from an outside point of view, they will be able to see that they are in control of all their opinions. But that's kinda not really related to the discussion at all. My question is, rather than try to shun your feelings or push them away or "get rid of them as soon as possible", why not just let it pass? Become a spectator of your own body and see that all sadnesses and angers and even all emotions, like happiness too, are temporary, and so they don't need to be at all! Why not just exist? I'm plenty happy just existing. When I'm sad I take time to meditate and just dwell in the feeling of being sad. Not thriving on it, not feeling remorse over it, just feeling it. The Buddha teaches that there IS a way to be happy all the time, and it is just this. He says the path to just existing and being happy is hard, and that there will be suffering along the way, it's unavoidable, but it can be attained. Music's fun, but I don't think it really serves much of a purpose pertaining to our emotions... or at least, doesn't have to. But, it is the way I am. I can't change my character. I might want to sometimes, but I can't. As for why I try to get rid of my emotions instead of letting them pass, I don't believe I'm strong enough to do that. And I'm afraid I don't know how to become 'a spectator of my own body.' And I just don't know how to dwell. I can't stand feeling sad. I'm not trying to say that it's a good thing or that I should do that; I merely don't have the motivation to change.Sure you can do all that stuff! Humans are born immediately being like that... babies are quite enlightened, Socrates said so himself... "we are born knowing everything, and we forget as we grow older." You don't seem to care much about being happy... that's very admirable... I see you're someone who believes the Popeye Theory, and I completely respect that. I've found that by staying completely neutral and just marveling at the world because it's there, I can be really happy, though... other people give up trying to get it to work, but I imagine everyone CAN.
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