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rurouni_starchild

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:54 pm


Thought I'd give a fresh start for the Beatrice Letters. I just finished it and all I can say is WOW. That was an amazing piece of work. It just left me so intriguied and puzzled at times (but in a good way) so it's time to crack out the literature and get to investigating like noble volunteers! ^_^ I shall be compiling my notes shortly and will post them in due time. Feel free to post your own research and discuss.

The World is Quiet Here,

-RS

Edit: SPOILERS MAY LIE AHEAD YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:38 pm


To describe the Beatrice Letters... Before I bought it, I was tingling with excitement and apprehension. When I found out I got 20% off as well as a free Gothic Archies CD with my dismal purchace of that delighfully dreary book, I couldn't wait to read about the mysterious woman from Snicket's books.
This book includes such details as small handwritten notes, tragic heartbreak, bitter anger, as well as the longest paragraph I have ever read in my life. I learned much about this woman, except for the one thing I expected to learn: How does she die? Snicket keeps on alluding to a horrible death, but how does it come about?
Also, in the Author Alerts, Lemony Snicket states:
Quote:
The startling secrets begin on the book's cover, where there is a hidden image only the most careful observers will detect.

Has anybody found it?

~The World Is Quiet Here
A.

Hlessirah

Dapper Vegetarian


rurouni_starchild

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:48 pm


Yeah, I found it there's a second face by Beatrice's hair. It's an optical illusion, focus on the red. Notes are being typed up as we speak.

-RS
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:57 pm


rurouni_starchild
Yeah, I found it there's a second face by Beatrice's hair. It's an optical illusion, focus on the red. Notes are being typed up as we speak.

-RS

Oh! There it is! How on earth did I not notice it?!
Cool; I can't wait for the notes, RS
~A.~
*NOTE* The single most powerful part in the book for me was when I read Beatrice's last name. I couldn't breathe for a few seconds after that; I was so suprised...

Hlessirah

Dapper Vegetarian


KiraLight

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:59 pm


okay, I bought it today and I haven't had a chance to read it yet sweatdrop
it looks so cool crying
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:32 pm


Animeomega
rurouni_starchild
Yeah, I found it there's a second face by Beatrice's hair. It's an optical illusion, focus on the red. Notes are being typed up as we speak.

-RS

Oh! There it is! How on earth did I not notice it?!
Cool; I can't wait for the notes, RS
~A.~
*NOTE* The single most powerful part in the book for me was when I read Beatrice's last name. I couldn't breathe for a few seconds after that; I was so suprised...


Same here. 3nodding And notes are DONE! 3 pages! Whoo! whee

rurouni_starchild


rurouni_starchild

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:46 pm


Warning!!! Spoilers May Abound! You have been warned!


The following post is my research into The Beatrice Letters. Some may be stating what's already there and just me keeping track of things while some are musings on the questions brought up. So here goes. "I didn't realize this was a sad occasion..."

The Beatrice Letters Research:

The Letters: E E N S I K R A C T A (backwards) B

Backwards: BAT CAR K IS NEE
Anagrams (among other things):
SNICKET A BRAE *
A CAB REEKS TIN
A BRACKEN SITE
A BANKERS CITE
A BAR SCENE KIT
A TAKEN SCRIBE
CAB NEAR KITES
CAB NEAR TIKES
ABSENCE AT IRK
SNAKEBITE CAR
BETAKEN CAR IS
BEATRICE SANK *

The Beatrice Letters Anagrams:
A BETTERS CHEER TITLE
A BITTER LEECH TESTER
A BLEST ETCH TREE RITE

More on the Letters: As you’ve noticed certain photos and drawings correspond to the punchcard letters. E for LS’s map in his first note, N for the map of Mt Fraught with perhaps VFD eagles, S for the paperweight of the Leech (we can figure this out by knowing it was given to LS by I (Ike), I for the hairpin, C for the lock of Beatrice’s hair and T for the metal tool Beatrice used. If we add the K from L’s manuscript, the letters spell out: SNICKET.

Note that the second A in the punchcards is backwards which lead me to try a backwards spelling out of them.

There’s also much stressing on “one letter makes a difference” and initials having more than one meaning.

BB to LS # 1: The E was hinted to be for a villaness…perhaps Esme? So it’s brought to our attention that Beatrice is indeed related to the Baudelaires as family. It seems more in a sibling or cousin way then any parental means. So it seems that B contacted LS to help find the three Baudelaires whom it seems (especially later on) that they are her only family. It seems like a lot of the earlier letters (though some parts makes me wonder) are around the time when VFD is still together and no schism as occurred. First mention of “My Silence Knot” (untie).

LS to BB # 2: Mentioning of classmates in VFD school. B and R were classmates in Theatrics (somewhat hinted at in TUA yes? Or at least that they knew each other). And surprise! Olaf and LS were classmates in codes it seems. We know it’s Olaf cause of the mention of his one eyebrow. Another mention of “My Silence Knot” (hiding inside). Silence knot = tongue tied, not being able to speak, quiet place, the world is quiet here? Seems like they are climbing Mt. Fraught by the illustration (N) with the birds (eagles?). Anyone know Braile and want to dechiper what’s under LS’s name? I’m assuming it’s just his name again, but you never know. Anagrams for “A Wet Viper Perm” are yet to be worked out. ^^;;

BB to LS # 2: This letter is dated Feb 28th so I’m tempted to see if it corresponds to any of the book’s release dates. B can see a burnt out place from LS’s office, though I’m not sure if this has to do with the Baudelaire fire or something else. Any clue what the unusual plants are? (Green trees?) There is doubt to whether LS has received her first letter…and it seems that she is searching for the Baudelaires and LS. Again, though I think this part of the letters is before the VFD schism. Now that I think of it, were any of LS’s letters concerned with finding the Baudelaires? And I just liked this quote “Either I am a very good detective or you are very lousy at hiding things—or you want me to come where you are.” ^_^

LS to BB # 3: LS mentioned Elenora Poe and this leads me to believe that time-wise it’s right before the schism when LS is working at the Daily Punctilio. I’m assuming that Ike is who I is and therefore the paperweight is a leech. R’s now the new Duchess, so again still in pre-schism VFD time. J could be Jacques or Josephine (wondering if it’s Josephine given later Js) G would be our well-loved reporter soon to take over LS’s column. Interesting to note that she was in a fashion column perhaps one of the reasons her and Esme became close? The rootbeer floats make me think that the meeting place is that little shop that LS mentioned in his first note. B’s butterfly costume reminds me of the dragonfly costume she wore in R’s masquerade ball.

Thing to Note: I assume this is just the way the book was put together but it seems like on the back of a lot of the black pages, there’s a faint imprint of an O. Perhaps Olaf and other forms of villainy (like rings left from cups) are destined to haunt this text.

BB to LS # 3: We are told that brae is a hill and therefore brae-man is one who lives on a hill. (Recall one of the possible anagrams of the punchcard letters and some questions later on). Did anyone find any Sebald in the ringing/ring part? The ring with an initial I’m guessing is the R ring mentioned later on. Here’s comes the confusion B mentions hearing Sunny read her recipes on the radio, but as we know Sunny’s culinary skills came MUCH later on in the series. Is this a letter from a much future date? B seems to be one for fading memories so perhaps she could be just confused? LS does mention in his letter to the editor that the dates might mixed up still and that there could be more than one BB… The K I am assuming stands perhaps for Kit.

LS to BB # 4: This letter seems to have been mistaken delivered to R by bats (prelude to VFD eagles? Crows?) Note the mug ring on the letter….villainy afoot? It seems to suggest that B’s co-star is NOT LS like I had assumed (see “The Silence Knot” at the end). Any ideas who? Given LS to BB # 5 the first two letters seem to be Co- …my first instinct was (dare I say it?) Count Olaf, but it would seem weird that they go about calling him that. So this remains a bit of a mystery to me. Again, a warning to keep track of letters and anagrams.

BB to LS # 4: The A punchletter seems to correspond to the A on the assignment. I don’t recall where Doldrum Drive is…anyone have the map on hand? Another mentioning of “My Silence Knot” to which another interpretation that it could have something to do with memories.

LS to BB # 5: More time references for us, this is when Beatrice wrote her famed 200 page book to LS (Now if only THAT was released for us to peruse!). More Silence Knot allusions. Here we see that the (engagement?) ring has an R on it. Seems there marriage was stopped by O (see letter and the underlined Sebald Code). B’s questions seems to be on p. 189 of her book, so we are only given the answers but we can guess to some of them. I’m gonna take a gander that perhaps the poem included in the programme in Answer 4 was The Silence Knot. Answer 9 I think was the most intriguing (Poor LS…he sure can gush!). The thing about B betraying her father seemed interesting, perhaps we will learn more about this. The image with the shipwreck and whale was interesting too. Perhaps an illusion to an ill-fated VFD encounter with the reference to Melville (which was on the good VFD sea uniforms, yes?). It seems B also carries the Baudelaire trait of being allergic to peppermints. It seems there is also a female wandering around with a dagger proof vest…perhaps to be seen later on? It seems to suggest hear that J is Josephine (at least in this case). And I just loved this quote: “I will love you as misfortune loves orphans, as fire love innocence and as justice loves to sit and watch while everything goes wrong.”

BB to LS # 5: More confusion! (Though again Lemony warned us that there could be more than one BB) Mentioning of the destruction of Hotel Dénouement puts this in a very recent frame of events. Trying not to spoil things. ^^;

LS to BB # 6: More confusion, keep in mind that Baudelaire could be NOT Beatrice. Large letters…reference to punchcard letters?

BB to LS # 6: I’m not sure what to make of this one. The address seem to suggest that this is more present than the text suggest. Since it is NOT ripped here, does that mean that LS wanted to meet her? Did he? Questions questions, and a nice full circle to the first letter.

“My Silence Knot” – I want to say this is about LS and B but not sure. Sadness! ;_;

And did anyone else notice that “The End” was on page 13? ^_~

Poster: Seems like someone from the cave is perhaps expectant of this shipwreck? Note the spatula oar.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:26 pm


More things that have come to my attention:

"My Silence Knot" among other things is an anagram for "Lemony Snicket".
"A Wet Viper Perm" is an anagram for "Premptive War".

Gonna see if I can look up some braile too.

Le monde ici, c'est tranquil.

RS

Edit: Ah, here we go. I don't have the book in front of me, but someone want to double check it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Braille-alphabet.gif

rurouni_starchild


AnijaYoukai

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:33 am


One thing I noticed when I was reading was the mention of there being two Beatrice Beaudelaires. I went back and looked at the letters from BB and noticed there are two distinct styles of hand writing in the signature of BB @ the end of every letter. Ideas?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:38 am


AnijaYoukai
One thing I noticed when I was reading was the mention of their being to Beatrice Beaudelaires. I went back and looked at the letters from BB and noticed there are two distinct styles of hand writing in the signature of BB @ the end of every letter. Ideas?


Yeah I started to notice that as well....perhaps it has something to do with the second face on the cover. A sister mayhaps? Twin? Maybe there was one Beatrice who was the woman that LS loved and died and another who lived and is searching for both him and the three Baudelaires. It could explain the confusion behind LS seeming to to respond to some letters and the recent time references in some of Beatrice's letters.

rurouni_starchild


Azarath_Metrion

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 7:11 pm


I believe the "O" on the back of the black pages are rings of glue holding the photos on the other side...>.>;;

My mom pointed out some sections of ribbon on the front cover look like letters. For instance, bottom left side looks like an "L". Coincidence?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:10 pm


Azarath_Metrion
I believe the "O" on the back of the black pages are rings of glue holding the photos on the other side...>.>;;

My mom pointed out some sections of ribbon on the front cover look like letters. For instance, bottom left side looks like an "L". Coincidence?


Ah, that might explain the O's. sweatdrop Yeah I noticed the ribbons look a bit like letters, but couldn't make much out of it.

rurouni_starchild


Jaytii-Chan

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:09 am


I havn't read it yet crying I ordered it not long ago though and I just need to pick it up, but I have to wait a day or two. Can't WAIT to read it! Although my friend just HAD to spoil it for me and go "OMG HER NAME IS BEATRICE BAUDELAIRE!!11!!" gonk So what do you think? Could she be the Baudelaire's mother or just a relative of some kind?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:59 am


Jaytii-Chan
I havn't read it yet crying I ordered it not long ago though and I just need to pick it up, but I have to wait a day or two. Can't WAIT to read it! Although my friend just HAD to spoil it for me and go "OMG HER NAME IS BEATRICE BAUDELAIRE!!11!!" gonk So what do you think? Could she be the Baudelaire's mother or just a relative of some kind?


The way she seemed to talk about the Baudelaires, it didn't seem like she was their mother, more like some realtive.

rurouni_starchild


Mara Mylenne

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:18 pm


I have to say I'm actually a little disappointed with The Beatrice Letters. I was expecting a little bit more, I think. Like TUA. I also find it a little far-fetched that there are /two/ Beatrice Baudelaires searching for Lemony Snicket. Not that the series is realistic to begin with, but how common a name is Beatrice Baudelaire? However, I do like the double face thing on the cover, makes sense; two Beatrices, two sillohettes.

I was thinking that the Beatrice that is the Baudelaire's sibling couldn't be the one Lemony wanted to marry because I assumed there'd be a considerable age gap, but clearly this isn't the case. Since one is a 'Mrs.' Baudelaire, she would probably have had her maiden name whilst at school with Lemony which is where, concievably, they fell in love. Ooooo! Brainwave! Do you think that perhaps 'Miss' Baudelaire was named after her mother? Therefore Beatrice being both the Baudelaire's mother and sister? I know I was opposed to the Beatrice-being-the-Baudelaire's-mother theory awhile back, but I'm just throwing this out there as a theory.

Well, I've prattled on long enough. I'll just close with that, as far as I can see, there is no Sebald code in 'BB to LS #3' and doesn't everyone feel a little cheated that we didn't find out any of Beatrice's reasons for not marrying Lemony?
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