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 Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:58 am
Whoaaaaa.... the topic title sounds offensive, doesn't it?
Let me elaborate.
I believe I read somewhere that to be able to self sufficiently cover basic expenses on your own, you'd have to be making 10 dollars or more an hour in a full time employment. This isn't at all considering a hot spot like NYC, this is just your average American town kinda thing.
Since medicaid does not support those who make around 7-9 dollars an hour, it means that if you do not make 10 dollars + an hour in a full time position, you arn't making enough money to "wipe your own a** with".
If you can't even take care of your own needs... why have children?
I do NOT say this like "you're too poor to have kids, you don't deserve them". What I'm really trying to say is that employment is NOT paying enough money for people to be sufficient on, and the government does not seem to give a crap. The wages are too unrealistically low, and the amount of competition in order to attain even a mediocre form of employment is way too high. SO, WHY should we give both employment and the government the benefits of raising a child in poverty? They both benefit, but YOU lose.
- businesses love a big source of cheap, docile, desperate labour. Also, stupid, senseless consumption from those who consume out of desperation and ignorance is prized .
- government loves it. poverty children are likely to be channeled into military service, and are less likely to be *too* educated so it won't question the government's actions.
More people in the world means the quality of life sinks, and less people in the world means the value of life rises.
I believe that by NOT having children in the future, I am making a strong statement against those very institutions who expect me to live unrealistically poor and still obligate me to produce children for them, and bear all of the costs on top of that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:42 pm
I have been doing some reading, from the christian point of view and "pro-life" stuff, they have charity shops which apprently help mothers who do not have a lot of money, but I really do not see how they help with second hand clothes.
I just thought it was terrible when I read about the church of scotland, was paying young girls to have their babies because they did not have enough money. Almost like bribing.
Yeah, I may of gone a bit off topic there sweatdrop
The benifit system here in the uk is no enough to raise one person on, let alone a child as well, so I agree with you, I will not have a child because I would like a career mostly and children cost to much.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:02 pm
I'm very sorry to hear of the situation in other countries as well. Bribing young girls with money is a short term solution to what will be a life-term issue of being a carer.
I believe that (this is taken from my global economics class) the U.S. defines the poverty line as being the barest minimum cost of feeding oneself tripled (meaning, x 3) to take care of other basic expenses. Monetarily, it would probably be about 11 dollars a day for one person to live on.
I could tell ya that just feeding yourself for one day can easily cost more than that, and we're not even talking about toilet paper here. Heck, sometimes the fast food is cheaper than what you can buy at the grocery store.
So, it may sound like it contradicts the "making 10 dollars an hour" thing, but we're talking about the difference between barely thriving and being able to live reasonably and comfortably without no extravegent luxery items.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:20 pm
The solution isn't giving them third-hand clothes, goddamit!
They need welfare and clothes and stuff like that.
But really, what people below the poverty line need is a long-term solution too!
I mean, giving them clothes and stuff is good and all, but remember that saying about the man and the fish and feeding him and stuff?
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:38 pm
As a refresher: "give a man to fish, feed him for a day; teach a man how to fish, feed him for life."
Though while he's learning, I suggest continuing to give him that daily fish so he doesn't starve before he can catch any...
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:42 pm
First off, I believe the statement about Medicaid is untrue. I work in the healthcare business, and as far as I know, Medicaid covers just about everyone. I agree that if you're too poor to support a child, then you shouldn't have one, period, but there's no excuse for anyone to be poor unless they are physically and/or mentally incapable of it, which is why we have disability in its many forms. However, I strongly agree with Neal Boortz that minimum wage should not be raised. If you're on minimum wage, you're either way too young to be having children anyway, or you have no job skills for whatever reason. But there is no reason 30-year-old women on Oprah should be bitching about not being able to support their children on mimimum wage. The system is not against them. It's rather simple to get a high-paying job in a minimal amount of time. Not only that, but the government shouldn't have any say in what someone pays you; that is between you and the employer, and if you don't like what they're offering, go somewhere else. My mother was a 30s-something single mother, and she raised me in a house she bought herself. It wasn't luxurious, but it was a nice neighborhood with nice schools. She got an education and supported us, and if she can do it, anyone can. The first thing women need to know is not to just pop out babies as soon as they're out of high school, something that happens far too often. One thing I see too much of in our office are women of various ages that have babies they are unprepared for. Children can easily be overwelming, and many don't take that into account.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:01 pm
Faith Burns First off, I believe the statement about Medicaid is untrue. I work in the healthcare business, and as far as I know, Medicaid covers just about everyone. I agree that if you're too poor to support a child, then you shouldn't have one, period, but there's no excuse for anyone to be poor unless they are physically and/or mentally incapable of it, which is why we have disability in its many forms. However, I strongly agree with Neal Boortz that minimum wage should not be raised. If you're on minimum wage, you're either way too young to be having children anyway, or you have no job skills for whatever reason. But there is no reason 30-year-old women on Oprah should be bitching about not being able to support their children on mimimum wage. The system is not against them. It's rather simple to get a high-paying job in a minimal amount of time. Not only that, but the government shouldn't have any say in what someone pays you; that is between you and the employer, and if you don't like what they're offering, go somewhere else. My mother was a 30s-something single mother, and she raised me in a house she bought herself. It wasn't luxurious, but it was a nice neighborhood with nice schools. She got an education and supported us, and if she can do it, anyone can. The first thing women need to know is not to just pop out babies as soon as they're out of high school, something that happens far too often. One thing I see too much of in our office are women of various ages that have babies they are unprepared for. Children can easily be overwelming, and many don't take that into account. THANK YOU heart for posting, I truly stand corrected in any inaccuracy about medicaid I've mentioned. I would infact love to see more topics and posts involved with your job (of course respecting confidentiality where applicable) so we can learn more about the situation in the U.S upfront. Now while we're here, can you please explain how you can get a higher paying job in a short amount of time? This advice would especially be useful for those without college degrees. Also, can you explain the differences between being an unprepared mother, and a prepared mother? (I mean, I know this question sounds so obvious, but I'm hoping there is some insight from your job that could enable and empower future mothers on how to be prepared to raise a child, since you have stated that mothers of many ages can be unprepared for motherhood.) Thanks!
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:27 pm
Grip of Death Faith Burns First off, I believe the statement about Medicaid is untrue. I work in the healthcare business, and as far as I know, Medicaid covers just about everyone. I agree that if you're too poor to support a child, then you shouldn't have one, period, but there's no excuse for anyone to be poor unless they are physically and/or mentally incapable of it, which is why we have disability in its many forms. However, I strongly agree with Neal Boortz that minimum wage should not be raised. If you're on minimum wage, you're either way too young to be having children anyway, or you have no job skills for whatever reason. But there is no reason 30-year-old women on Oprah should be bitching about not being able to support their children on mimimum wage. The system is not against them. It's rather simple to get a high-paying job in a minimal amount of time. Not only that, but the government shouldn't have any say in what someone pays you; that is between you and the employer, and if you don't like what they're offering, go somewhere else. My mother was a 30s-something single mother, and she raised me in a house she bought herself. It wasn't luxurious, but it was a nice neighborhood with nice schools. She got an education and supported us, and if she can do it, anyone can. The first thing women need to know is not to just pop out babies as soon as they're out of high school, something that happens far too often. One thing I see too much of in our office are women of various ages that have babies they are unprepared for. Children can easily be overwelming, and many don't take that into account. THANK YOU heart for posting, I truly stand corrected in any inaccuracy about medicaid I've mentioned. I would infact love to see more topics and posts involved with your job (of course respecting confidentiality where applicable) so we can learn more about the situation in the U.S upfront. Now while we're here, can you please explain how you can get a higher paying job in a short amount of time? This advice would especially be useful for those without college degrees. Also, can you explain the differences between being an unprepared mother, and a prepared mother? (I mean, I know this question sounds so obvious, but I'm hoping there is some insight from your job that could enable and empower future mothers on how to be prepared to raise a child, since you have stated that mothers of many ages can be unprepared for motherhood.) Thanks! Sure! I learn a lot from working in the clinic, especially since it's mental health. I'll ask my manager about Medicaid when she gets back later in the week to be sure. As for the job part, any kind of high-paying job that starts you out on a higher pay right away is going to require some training/schooling, but you can easily get into a Step 2 program at any community college with financial aid paying for it, depending on your income. The program takes one to two years, and it usually deals with machining. It may not be your dream job, but you can start out earning $13+ an hour, depending on where you get hired. (Some places will even start you out on $20+ an hour. Bus stations will hire mechanics for this much.) My aunt only had a high school diploma with no education and today has a great job at a law office with tremendous benefits and great pay. However, it took her years and hard work to get that far, but the point is, if you strive, you can get anywhere. I recommend going to school and getting a four year degree, but there are hundreds of other options. There are jobs that require no education which can produce up to $60,000 to $80,000 a year, an air traffic controller being one. As for mothers, that's a little less black and white. A big problem we see are mothers who have children when they shouldn't simply because children are overwhelming and mothers are unprepared for the psychological responsibility. Women are trying to work and raise kids, and some of them have too many children or, surprisingly, don't even like/want kids. Some women are restricted by husbands, careers, and even the children themselves. An example would be my boyfriend's sister-in-law. His brother (29) is married to a woman younger than me (19). Now I don't have a problem with that if they're happy, but first off, they only knew each other about ten months before they were married, and she was pregnant about a month before that. All of this only a few months after they had moved in together. She may not realize it now, but sooner or later the shock and change are going to hit her. She's young and has no education, so if they ever get divorced, she'll be ******** to say the least. She wants to be a mother, but many women are so swept away by the idea of marriage and children that they don't stop to think about the realism of the issue. This is where postpartum depression comes into play, and you have women like that one in California trying to kill her babies because they are mentally unprepared for their children. I'm not necessarily advocating more abortions, but many women whether by young ignorance or mid-life crisis get this idea into their heads that popping out children will fix their problems. The point is, what women need to do are a few things: First off, make sure you are happy with your relationship with your significant other first and foremost. Give the relationship at least two years, preferably five, because you need to make sure this is someone who can not only help you raise a child but is also someone you’re happy with. Secondly, make sure you can financially support a child. You shouldn’t be sacrificing meals so your baby can eat. Thirdly, do research before having a kid. Make sure you and your partner are truly ready and have discussed it thoroughly. Read books about necessary risks, costs, and other important information. Prepared mothers don’t experience postpartum depression, so if you’re suffering from it, seek guidance and/or counseling immediately and talk it over with your partner. Women need to be prepared emotionally and psychologically above all things for children; kids change your life completely, and people can have difficultly adjusting to this, especially if they aren’t financially prepared. Probably the most important piece of advice is this: if you do not want a child for whatever reason, don’t have one! Use protection and if you get pregnant, have an abortion or put your child up for adoption if you’re not ready. Don’t force yourself to become a mother unless you truly believe you can handle it. Children are wonderful, but they are biggest responsibility anyone, man or woman, can take on. The important thing is to be good, strong parents and strive to be happy and give your child a good life.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:20 pm
Faith Burns you're either way too young to be having children anyway, or you have no job skills for whatever reason. Or there's no other work to be found. A healthy economy, according to capitalists, is one with about a 5% unemployment rate. That means that there are NO JOBS AT ALL for 5 out of every 10 people. The reason for this is that most people are working and paying taxes. But, if someone is inept at their job, they can be fired and replaced with reasonable ease. I remind you, this means that THERE ARE NO JOBS in existance for a certain number of people in the population, and this number is much higher than most people care to think. Now, this is saying NO JOB AT ALL, which means that this is AFTER the minimum wage jobs have been filled. It irks me to the bone when people say "just get a job" because this is simply not a legitimate solution in many cases. Lucky for you and me, we have computers. That means that we make a decent amount, at least. That means that we probably don't live in areas where unemployment is such a problem. We may not see it. But that doesn't make it not exist. Faith Burns Not only that, but the government shouldn't have any say in what someone pays you; that is between you and the employer Ok, stop right there. I demand that you go read some Victorian literature (preferably something that consentrates on the state of the workers, like Dickens). If you had any idea what the west was like before the government was involved, you would not be saying that. Faith Burns My mother was a 30s-something single mother, and she raised me in a house she bought herself. It wasn't luxurious, but it was a nice neighborhood with nice schools. She got an education and supported us, and if she can do it, anyone can. Bullshit. Capitalist bullshit. Faith Burns The first thing women need to know is not to just pop out babies as soon as they're out of high school, something that happens far too often. WHY do you think it happens far too often? It couldn't possibly be because many of these girls were raised in neighborhoods where this is simply what is done? Where this is what is expected of them because having a further education is not valued or possible? Don't undermine the power of socialization. Don't put the burden on the victims. WE, the rich (and yes, if you are on a computer that is connected to the internet, you are rich) are the reason these people are victims. Fix inner city public schools. Give kids a REASON to love and respect education, to value hard work, to see the benefit of having small and well-supported families. Faith Burns One thing I see too much of in our office are women of various ages that have babies they are unprepared for. Children can easily be overwelming, and many don't take that into account. That isn't their fault. That's OUR fault for failing to provide them with the education to know what having a baby is really like. Faith Burns you can easily get into a Step 2 program at any community college with financial aid paying for it, depending on your income. Do you have any links that show where to get this? As far as I am concerned, if the information isn't readily available (and I don't necessarily mean on someone's website, but actually advertized IN the communities where most of the extremely poor are), then it doesn't count as being "easily." Also, does financial aid also pay for the time you will be spending on your studies instead of working? Because rent and possible children are a factor. And finally, I don't know how the programs work in the States, but here in Canada you have to pass a language test to be able to enter any programs. My mother-in-law, for example, recently applied at a local trade school. She speaks English perfectly fine. She understands everything that is said to her, and she can communicate effectively. She also knows the stuff taught in the program inside and out (and could probably teach it herself), but can't get a job without a degree. She was rejected because she failed to meet their standards for English fluency (25% of the test was on comprehension of a poem about kites -- she did not know what a kite was and therefore could answer no questions). Assuming that the system is the same in the US, would this not exclude nearly all recent immigrants? Faith Burns My aunt only had a high school diploma with no education and today has a great job at a law office with tremendous benefits and great pay. However, it took her years and hard work to get that far, but the point is, if you strive, you can get anywhere. So did my mother. However, "striving" is not a trait we all possess and a lot of it depends on your upbringing and what you think is possible for yourself. When you're entire life is spent telling you that you are "worthless" and will never be able to get anything better than McDonalds because you are black and raised in the inner city, it can be very difficult to set your goals high. Again, you aren't taking into account socializing factors and simply blaming victims of it for not "going out and getting a job." Ok, just as a little PS, I know I sound really harsh. I don't mean to be. I want to get that straight. I am merely pointing out that the issues being discussed are far more complicated than they may seem. Also, the capitalist ideal that "anyone who isn't a millionaire is just lazy" is a huge pet peeve of mine and really gets under my skin. If you have ever looked in the mirror and said "I can't do this, I am not smart enough" then you must know what I am talking about. If you have been told your entire life that you are not smart enough because of something as arbitrary as your sex (which I have been told far more than once) or the color of your skin, it's damn hard to break free from that and have the confidence it takes to do right by yourself.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:36 pm
Faith Burns but there's no excuse for anyone to be poor unless they are physically and/or mentally incapable of it As someone who has a master's degree and was unemployed for the better part of a year, this does not sit well with me. It's really easy for you to say "just get a job," but it's much harder for someone to actually get the job. And no, I couldn't just flip burgers. McDonald's didn't want to hire me either, because I'm overqualified.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:40 pm
adabyron Faith Burns but there's no excuse for anyone to be poor unless they are physically and/or mentally incapable of it As someone who has a master's degree and was unemployed for the better part of a year, this does not sit well with me. It's really easy for you to say "just get a job," but it's much harder for someone to actually get the job. And no, I couldn't just flip burgers. McDonald's didn't want to hire me either, because I'm overqualified. As someone who lives in a shrinking city (the main business of my city went under, so there are TONS of workers on the market looking for jobs and not enough jobs to support them all), I can agree.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:40 pm
Kukushka Faith Burns you're either way too young to be having children anyway, or you have no job skills for whatever reason. Or there's no other work to be found. A healthy economy, according to capitalists, is one with about a 5% unemployment rate. That means that there are NO JOBS AT ALL for 5 out of every 10 people. The reason for this is that most people are working and paying taxes. But, if someone is inept at their job, they can be fired and replaced with reasonable ease. I remind you, this means that THERE ARE NO JOBS in existance for a certain number of people in the population, and this number is much higher than most people care to think. Now, this is saying NO JOB AT ALL, which means that this is AFTER the minimum wage jobs have been filled. It irks me to the bone when people say "just get a job" because this is simply not a legitimate solution in many cases. Lucky for you and me, we have computers. That means that we make a decent amount, at least. That means that we probably don't live in areas where unemployment is such a problem. We may not see it. But that doesn't make it not exist. Right now, the U.S. is experiencing a higher rate of employment. Can everyone in America have a job? No, of course not, for various reasons. An economy cannot be perfect as humans are flawed. Some people choose not to be employed and some people cannot be. Plain and simple, but if you want a job, you can get one. If not, you’ll find an excuse. I for one see a pattern in those who cannot hold a job and those that continually work hard to push themselves through school or their careers. Kukushka Faith Burns Not only that, but the government shouldn't have any say in what someone pays you; that is between you and the employer Ok, stop right there. I demand that you go read some Victorian literature (preferably something that consentrates on the state of the workers, like Dickens). If you had any idea what the west was like before the government was involved, you would not be saying that. I say it and mean it. When you're young, you start out poor, either go to school or stick with a company and build your job skills. If you don’t like what someone wants to pay you, take your business elsewhere. Employers have to pay a decent amount in order to get workers. If suddenly all the employers in America wanted to pay $1 an hour, I guarantee most Americans would flip the bird and be on their way, myself included. I’ll grow my own tomatoes! xd Kukushka Faith Burns My mother was a 30s-something single mother, and she raised me in a house she bought herself. It wasn't luxurious, but it was a nice neighborhood with nice schools. She got an education and supported us, and if she can do it, anyone can. Bullshit. Capitalist bullshit. There’s choice, and there’s disability. There’s unemployment, welfare, worker’s comp, and a million other non-profit organizations helping people get money so they can get back on their feet. Read anecdote below for details. Kukushka Faith Burns The first thing women need to know is not to just pop out babies as soon as they're out of high school, something that happens far too often. WHY do you think it happens far too often? It couldn't possibly be because many of these girls were raised in neighborhoods where this is simply what is done? Where this is what is expected of them because having a further education is not valued or possible? Don't undermine the power of socialization. Don't put the burden on the victims. WE, the rich (and yes, if you are on a computer that is connected to the internet, you are rich) are the reason these people are victims. Fix inner city public schools. Give kids a REASON to love and respect education, to value hard work, to see the benefit of having small and well-supported families. I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t stand those realistic dolls the Home Education class assigned at my high school. Boys and girls were carrying these baby dolls with computers inside them that would detect hunger, irritability, even sexual abuse which would determine your grade, and it was required. Everyone got sick of those babies crying in class, but we teach classes like those and sex education for a reason. Hell, schools have even begun to hand out condoms with information packets as a way to prevent pregnancy and STDs. Not everything can be blamed on the schools. Parents have to be responsible and discipline their children, and if they can’t, they shouldn’t be having them in the first place. In the case of my boyfriend’s sister-in-law, it certainly wasn’t because “it was accepted in her area.” She’s just swept away by love because she’s socially inexperienced (because she’s a teenager and still maturing). I do love and respect education. Do the schools of the world need work? Oh yes, but accounting for every country in the world would take this topic to a completely different level, so I’m going to stick with America. Kukushka Faith Burns One thing I see too much of in our office are women of various ages that have babies they are unprepared for. Children can easily be overwelming, and many don't take that into account. That isn't their fault. That's OUR fault for failing to provide them with the education to know what having a baby is really like. I don’t believe they are victims. It’s their willing choice to have the children. They have jobs, husbands, middle to upper class lives, but they are unprepared because they’re ignorant. Information can’t be shoved down the unwillings’ throats. Kukuska Faith Burns you can easily get into a Step 2 program at any community college with financial aid paying for it, depending on your income. Do you have any links that show where to get this? As far as I am concerned, if the information isn't readily available (and I don't necessarily mean on someone's website, but actually advertized IN the communities where most of the extremely poor are), then it doesn't count as being "easily." Also, does financial aid also pay for the time you will be spending on your studies instead of working? Because rent and possible children are a factor. And finally, I don't know how the programs work in the States, but here in Canada you have to pass a language test to be able to enter any programs. My mother-in-law, for example, recently applied at a local trade school. She speaks English perfectly fine. She understands everything that is said to her, and she can communicate effectively. She also knows the stuff taught in the program inside and out (and could probably teach it herself), but can't get a job without a degree. She was rejected because she failed to meet their standards for English fluency (25% of the test was on comprehension of a poem about kites -- she did not know what a kite was and therefore could answer no questions). Assuming that the system is the same in the US, would this not exclude nearly all recent immigrants? I can’t account for Canada because I do not live in Canada. Although I have visited multiple countries around the world, I cannot account for them either. I can only account for America because I live here, but community colleges, like the one near me, with credit hours at around $40 with enough financial aid to cover your classes and then some, I’d say you can enter the program and get a high-paying job. Not only that, but scholarships are also available. There’s like… 5 to 10 colleges within a 20 mile radius of me. Does everyone have that? No, but like I said, I can only account for America. Going bigger would send this topic into orbit, and I have not the time or the enthusiasm to discuss the global job market. As for my local community college, it IS downtown, literally in the inner city with billboards galore. Anyone in my area who hasn’t heard of it lives in a cave, and many of the inner city people attend. Kukuska Faith Burns My aunt only had a high school diploma with no education and today has a great job at a law office with tremendous benefits and great pay. However, it took her years and hard work to get that far, but the point is, if you strive, you can get anywhere. So did my mother. However, "striving" is not a trait we all possess and a lot of it depends on your upbringing and what you think is possible for yourself. When you're entire life is spent telling you that you are "worthless" and will never be able to get anything better than McDonalds because you are black and raised in the inner city, it can be very difficult to set your goals high. Again, you aren't taking into account socializing factors and simply blaming victims of it for not "going out and getting a job." If I was one of the people you said “striving” was not possible for, I would be extremely insulted. I believe in people more than that. I believe everyone has the potential to enjoy their own lives. Not once have I implied it doesn’t take work to get a job, keep it, and earn some job skills to excel in the business world. However, I refuse to believe being told you’re worthless is an excuse to make no effort whatsoever to rectify the state of your life. I have been put down my entire life and most of my own flesh and blood have turned their backs on me, yet here I stand. Kukushka Ok, just as a little PS, I know I sound really harsh. I don't mean to be. I want to get that straight. I am merely pointing out that the issues being discussed are far more complicated than they may seem. Also, the capitalist ideal that "anyone who isn't a millionaire is just lazy" is a huge pet peeve of mine and really gets under my skin. If you have ever looked in the mirror and said "I can't do this, I am not smart enough" then you must know what I am talking about. If you have been told your entire life that you are not smart enough because of something as arbitrary as your sex (which I have been told far more than once) or the color of your skin, it's damn hard to break free from that and have the confidence it takes to do right by yourself. Do you know why I’m conservative? Because I was given nothing at birth. My father hates me and never wanted me to be born. He beat my mother and made divorce a long, painful process, but my mother worked her a** off and continues to do so to this day. She was given nothing at birth, and when she turned 18, she moved out because she couldn’t stand living with her parents. She had no money, but worked full time and went to school full time. She married a man in her late 20s she didn’t love and had me knowing full well the consequences. She raised enough money to keep going to school and still spend time with me. She took me to Disney Land and gave me a great life without the aid of the child support my father was supposed to pay. Yes, if she can do it, anyone can, unless as I stated they are physically or mentally incapable for which of course there is disability. My mother never went on welfare and never took charity. She worked and had to tell herself everyday that she was strong and could do it. Of course it wasn’t easy. I never said any of it was. We’re talking about the bare minimum here, but anyone can achieve if they believe and work hard for it. My father made my childhood a living Hell, but at the age of 10, I stood up and fought for my right to be happy and to live a life without fear. I faced a darkness many do not see, and everyday I tell myself I am strong and powerful, and because of that I can arise anew everyday. It’s hard, yes. Sometimes I break and sometimes I fall, but I refuse to believe in sacrifices and I refuse to believe that people are incapable of achieving their own happiness. I have learned the hard way that if someone cannot rise on his or her own two feet on their own, then he or she is never going to no matter how much you help them; you cannot do it for them. Day in and day out, I see people who choose to be miserable no matter how much is given to them in the name of happiness. I am not like that, so I strive to achieve what is by birthright mine: a life of happiness that I earned. Through the pain and strife, I find the flowers, the sky, my friends, and the power to keep going. Life is about overcoming adversity. I don’t b***h, I don’t moan; I believe in myself and because of that, I am strong. I’m sorry, but your pathology is the kind of crap I hear about in courtrooms when a defense lawyer says, “He molested all those kids because it happened to him as child! It’s not his fault; it’s his father’s/uncle’s/neighbor’s fault!” The kind of bullshit that keeps ***** like a few choice individuals I know out of jail and with no punishment whatsoever. There’s a great movie called “The Cell” in which Vince Vaughn’s character states something along these lines, “I whole-heartedly believe you can be raised in Hell and still grow up not to hurt another living creature,” and truer words have not been spoken. adabyron As someone who has a master's degree and was unemployed for the better part of a year, this does not sit well with me. It's really easy for you to say "just get a job," but it's much harder for someone to actually get the job. And no, I couldn't just flip burgers. McDonald's didn't want to hire me either, because I'm overqualified. I know someone who has a degree in journalism, yet she's stuck at Skyline Chilli. Why? Well, location, location, location. She needs to get out of Ohio and to somewhere her career can take flight. (We don't need journalists reporting on the corn fields.) I don't know if this is your case; I don't know the circumstances surrounding your degree, area, or demand for your career choice, but like I said, it's not easy and it's not perfect. Not everyone is just going to hop out of college and have a 6-figure sum waiting for them. I'm sorry you've had difficulty, but it doesn't change my mind. If you have a Master's Degree, there's someplace, somewhere that wants your skill though. Good luck.
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:30 pm
Faith Burns Right now, the U.S. is experiencing a higher rate of employment. Higher than two years ago, maybe. Higher than the last full recession, certainly. High enough to accommodate the thousands of workers who have been laid off continually over the last decade with the technology market crash, I honestly doubt it. Faith Burns An economy cannot be perfect as humans are flawed. I didn't say it had to be perfect. I said that it ISN'T perfect and to assume that it is is being naive. Faith Burns Some people choose not to be employed and some people cannot be. Plain and simple, but if you want a job, you can get one. I beg to differ. I watched my man go out and hand out resumes every single day for almost half a year without finding ANYTHING (not even minimum wage jobs). I can assure you that, with plenty of bills to pay, he was most definitely trying. Faith Burns I for one see a pattern in those who cannot hold a job and those that continually work hard to push themselves through school or their careers. I see several patterns. I see nasty areas where business don't last long and frequently lay off workers. I see areas where people are brought up not to bother working hard because they're too "stupid" to get anywhere anyway. I see people who are fired or not hired under false pretexts hiding racism. On the other side of the fence, I see people with supportive families who value education and always push their children to seek it and work at it. I see people who are taught to go for their dreams regardless of how impossible others may say they are. I see people who have positive role models within their communities (or their families) to look up to and give them the drive to set and complete goals. Faith Burns I say it and mean it. When you're young, you start out poor, either go to school or stick with a company and build your job skills. If you don’t like what someone wants to pay you, take your business elsewhere. Employers have to pay a decent amount in order to get workers. If suddenly all the employers in America wanted to pay $1 an hour, I guarantee most Americans would flip the bird and be on their way, myself included. I’ll grow my own tomatoes! xd Then how, pray tell, do you account for worker conditions of the industrial revolution? Wasn't everyone supposed to just "flip the bird" and go off on their own? Why were people holding jobs they couldn't live on, selling their children into slavery for extra cash, and keeping jobs with conditions so bad that they were DYING? Government regulations in the workplace are there for a reason. To say that the government shouldn't interfere, or that everyone has the option of just "walking away" (including people with bills to pay and kids too feed you CANNOT afford to spend months looking for a job) is naive, plain and simple. Honestly, I see this as being just as bad as saying that "women should all be forced to give birth when pregnant because all women have families present to help them and tons of good/affordable day care options!" Faith Burns There’s choice, and there’s disability. There’s unemployment, welfare, worker’s comp, and a million other non-profit organizations helping people get money so they can get back on their feet. Read anecdote below for details. There's also SOCIALIZATION. There's also LACK OF EDUCATION. There's also NOT KNOWING WHAT PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE. Why would I waste my time looking up programs that might help me get a better job when I don't even know that such a program might even exist? Faith Burns I don’t know about you, but I couldn’t stand those realistic dolls the Home Education class assigned at my high school. Boys and girls were carrying these baby dolls with computers inside them that would detect hunger, irritability, even sexual abuse which would determine your grade, and it was required. Everyone got sick of those babies crying in class, but we teach classes like those and sex education for a reason. Hell, schools have even begun to hand out condoms with information packets as a way to prevent pregnancy and STDs. Not everything can be blamed on the schools. Parents have to be responsible and discipline their children, and if they can’t, they shouldn’t be having them in the first place. Every child gets this kind of education? Funny, especially since, last I heard, schools that taught sex ed were getting budget cuts, while schools that just taught abstinence and NOTHING ELSE were getting more funding. I NEVER had these dolls you are talking about. I saw a show once where the kids got an egg. That was the closest thing I got to first hand experience. "Kids are taught this" doesn't work. Sorry. Faith Burns In the case of my boyfriend’s sister-in-law, it certainly wasn’t because “it was accepted in her area.” She’s just swept away by love because she’s socially inexperienced (because she’s a teenager and still maturing). Sure, I didn't say that doesn't happen. Faith Burns I do love and respect education. Do the schools of the world need work? Oh yes, but accounting for every country in the world would take this topic to a completely different level, so I’m going to stick with America. So am I, largely. And I am talking about schools in the US. Sorry to shatter your rose-colored glasses. Faith Burns I don’t believe they are victims. It’s their willing choice to have the children. They have jobs, husbands, middle to upper class lives, but they are unprepared because they’re ignorant. Information can’t be shoved down the unwillings’ throats. "They" have "upper to middle class lives"? Excuse me, but you seem to be forgetting a rather large part of the population. Then again, I am not surprised. They are rather often forgotten. Faith Burns I can only account for America because I live here, but community colleges, like the one near me, with credit hours at around $40 with enough financial aid to cover your classes and then some, I’d say you can enter the program and get a high-paying job. Do they cover the costs of the time spent in class instead of working? Faith Burns Not only that, but scholarships are also available. Are these scholarships well-publicized? To the point that EVERYONE in the country knows that they are available and how to get them (as a default, without having to go out and do research)? Faith Burns There’s like… 5 to 10 colleges within a 20 mile radius of me. Does everyone have that? No, but like I said, I can only account for America. So EVERYONE in American has 5 to 10 colleges within a 20 mile radius? I have been talking about the North American problems. NOT Zimbabwe or Uzbekistan. Just North America. And as far as job markets and education go, Canada and the US are extremely similar. Faith Burns As for my local community college, it IS downtown, literally in the inner city with billboards galore. Anyone in my area who hasn’t heard of it lives in a cave, and many of the inner city people attend. So because you have this available, because your city has this set up, everyone in the US does as well, correct? So why pity anyone who doesn't because, after all, they don't exist. Faith Burns If I was one of the people you said “striving” was not possible for, I would be extremely insulted. I believe in people more than that. Good for you. Too bad it's not realistic. You are continually failing to take into account what lack of self-confidence can (and does) do to people. Faith Burns I believe everyone has the potential to enjoy their own lives. So do I. I do not, however, believe that most people who lack the self-confidence to set high goals and go for them will do so. Faith Burns Not once have I implied it doesn’t take work to get a job, keep it, and earn some job skills to excel in the business world. However, I refuse to believe being told you’re worthless is an excuse to make no effort whatsoever to rectify the state of your life. Ever think that maybe, just maybe, it takes more effort that you can ever even dream of for some people just to get out of bed in the morning? That is what lack of self-confidence can do. Faith Burns I have been put down my entire life and most of my own flesh and blood have turned their backs on me, yet here I stand. Yes yes, I know. Everyone's a ******** victim. Life has been so hard on you. I am sure that no one on the face of this planet has problems worse than you have had, correct? Faith Burns Do you know why I’m conservative? Ah, ok, that explains it. Faith Burns I’m sorry, but your pathology is the kind of crap I hear about in courtrooms when a defense lawyer says, “He molested all those kids because it happened to him as child! It’s not his fault; it’s his father’s/uncle’s/neighbor’s fault!” The kind of bullshit that keeps ***** like a few choice individuals I know out of jail and with no punishment whatsoever. There’s a great movie called “The Cell” in which Vince Vaughn’s character states something along these lines, “I whole-heartedly believe you can be raised in Hell and still grow up not to hurt another living creature,” and truer words have not been spoken. Vince Vaughn's character realized, by the end of the movie, that he was wrong. My "pathology"? I have to tell you, I don't exactly sit too well with your pathology that anyone who isn't a millionaire isn't out of their own laziness either. To be honest, people with as little compassion as you make me physically ill. Faith Burns I’m sorry, but your pathology is the kind of crap I hear about in courtrooms when a defense lawyer says, “He molested all those kids because it happened to him as child! It’s not his fault; it’s his father’s/uncle’s/neighbor’s fault!” Could you please quote where I said that murderers and rapists should get off scott-free because they must have been molested or beaten as kids? Pretty please? Because I am pretty sure I didn't say anything about that, being that this is a totally different subject. And I will have you know that no, I do not support releasing people early who are a danger to those around them just because it isn't necessarily their fault that they are a danger. Also mind that I have never said "poor people can't help it, so we should just throw tons of money at them so that they never even have the incentive to try." I was merely responding to YOUR statement that "anyone who doesn't have a job is just choosing not to have a job," which is dead wrong. I don't know what part of that is so difficult to understand. I also don't understand why you feel the need to put words in my mouth and to run around screaming like a headless chicken about things THAT AREN'T EVEN PART OF THE DISCUSSION (that you've somehow managed to assume I said despite all evidence to the contrary). Faith Burns I know someone who has a degree in journalism, yet she's stuck at Skyline Chilli. Why? Well, location, location, location. She needs to get out of Ohio and to somewhere her career can take flight. (We don't need journalists reporting on the corn fields.) Ah yes! Of course! Because moving to a new area doesn't cost any money! And it's really easy to do, especially if you are living day by day, barely making enough to pay the bills, and have children to think of. Yet again, your version of the world is rather interesting, though totally irrealistic. Reading your profile, I am done talking to you. Someone who would deny a woman a job because she's a woman, even though she may be perfectly physically capable, is not someone I even want to be associating with. And with that, I'm off to bed.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:12 am
I have a friend whose parents are self-employed. Her family moved from New York to Florida at the beginning of the year to do a couple things: to open a gift shop, and an online shop. It was what they needed to support themselves. The store was supposed to open several months ago, and they had contacted a company for advertising, etc. who were supposed to start putting up ads several months ago. They never did, and the area they opened the store in a couple weeks ago turned out to be an area where most people couldn't afford to shop at a gift store. They had needed the online store to work to support them while they waited for the shop to open. Very few purchases were made. The shop itself hardly got any business; not nearly enough to justify paying the rent on the space. She had also been looking for a job all over the place. She applied at clothing stores, restaurants, etc., but no one hired her. She has the skills and she has worked as several things for her parents, receptionist, waitress, etc... Soon she and her family are going to live in her brother's garage in New York until they can afford to live in their own place.
Yeah, it's just so easy to make money these days, it's laughable. Though somehow, I'm not laughing.
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Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 10:34 am
Kukushka Faith Burns Right now, the U.S. is experiencing a higher rate of employment. Higher than two years ago, maybe. Higher than the last full recession, certainly. High enough to accommodate the thousands of workers who have been laid off continually over the last decade with the technology market crash, I honestly doubt it. I consider 5% of unemployment phenomenal honestly. That’s accounting for the retired, minors/children/adolescents, people on disability, and people who just choose not to work (lottery winners, homemakers, and the like). If someone does just fine without working, I’ve got nothing against that. I’ve got nothing against people who choose to be homeless either. (It’s rare, but it does happen. A man died here some years ago who was later found out to have bank accounts with loads of money.) The problem I have is people who willing choose not to work and want money for it. I strongly suggest you check out this Wikipedia link and download the Bureau of Labor Statistics PDF at the end of the section article. It’s a detailed report stating that every group studied in the United States has seen a steadily increasing employment rate, the highest of which being the African American community. Could it better? It always can, but what matters are the efforts that progress to a better future. Kukushka Faith Burns An economy cannot be perfect as humans are flawed. I didn't say it had to be perfect. I said that it ISN'T perfect and to assume that it is is being naive. But life doesn’t have to be perfect to be enjoyable. It doesn’t have to be perfect to define success. Kukushka Faith Burns Some people choose not to be employed and some people cannot be. Plain and simple, but if you want a job, you can get one. I beg to differ. I watched my man go out and hand out resumes every single day for almost half a year without finding ANYTHING (not even minimum wage jobs). I can assure you that, with plenty of bills to pay, he was most definitely trying. See, it’s difficult to take to heart anecdotes like that because one, that’s Canada. Unlike you, I don’t debate the politics of a country I don’t live in. And number two, I don’t know your husband’s profession, job skills, nor his exact efforts or circumstances. Because I don’t know those variables, I can’t take it into account. I have a million sob stories from my closet and from friends and relatives, but what matters is finding something you know you can do, something you enjoy, and finding something that’s in demand. The most determining factor above all is your attitude going into whatever hurdle you’re attempting to leap. People get what they expect. We fail, we fall, and I’m sick of hearing everyone’s sob story. There are hurdles, it’s called life, and there’s nothing wrong with giving a helping hand. That’s why we have unemployment in America for people who lose their job or are in-between jobs, but the point I’m trying to make is the attitude behind those who preach their sob stories and what that attitude expects from everyone else. Kukushka Faith Burns I for one see a pattern in those who cannot hold a job and those that continually work hard to push themselves through school or their careers. I see several patterns. I see nasty areas where business don't last long and frequently lay off workers. I see areas where people are brought up not to bother working hard because they're too "stupid" to get anywhere anyway. I see people who are fired or not hired under false pretexts hiding racism. On the other side of the fence, I see people with supportive families who value education and always push their children to seek it and work at it. I see people who are taught to go for their dreams regardless of how impossible others may say they are. I see people who have positive role models within their communities (or their families) to look up to and give them the drive to set and complete goals. From what you’re saying, you want to give these people money and opportunity because the system is against them and they’ll never get an opportunity in their lives. You say some people aren’t capable of striving for success, but you’ve already given up on them. Parts of the system are biased; women on average are paid less, but I don’t see that as an excuse not to be successful. I want to be a film director, which is extraordinarily difficult for a woman. Why? Less people want to give them millions of dollars to make a film, but I don’t plan on letting anything stop me. The bias in the system doesn’t change if those who fail as a result give up. The bias changes when those people find a way around it and overcome it. But I can tell you this: in the downtown area where I live, there is a high number of African Americans, many of them go to the community college and many of them enroll in the Step 2 program, gets jobs, and start off making more than $10 an hour. They get financial aid for school, ride the bus because they can’t afford cars, and do it just fine. When they make money, they turn their lives around, and nothing’s keeping them from doing that except the failure already in their heads from the beginning. Just because someone isn’t given nurturing words of support all their lives doesn’t mean they can’t be successful. I believe in them, which seems to be more than what can be said for you. Kukushka Faith Burns I say it and mean it. When you're young, you start out poor, either go to school or stick with a company and build your job skills. If you don’t like what someone wants to pay you, take your business elsewhere. Employers have to pay a decent amount in order to get workers. If suddenly all the employers in America wanted to pay $1 an hour, I guarantee most Americans would flip the bird and be on their way, myself included. I’ll grow my own tomatoes! xd Then how, pray tell, do you account for worker conditions of the industrial revolution? Wasn't everyone supposed to just "flip the bird" and go off on their own? Why were people holding jobs they couldn't live on, selling their children into slavery for extra cash, and keeping jobs with conditions so bad that they were DYING? Government regulations in the workplace are there for a reason. To say that the government shouldn't interfere, or that everyone has the option of just "walking away" (including people with bills to pay and kids too feed you CANNOT afford to spend months looking for a job) is naive, plain and simple. Honestly, I see this as being just as bad as saying that "women should all be forced to give birth when pregnant because all women have families present to help them and tons of good/affordable day care options!" Well thank gawd the stock market hasn’t crashed recently, and thankfully, Americans live in a country where they are capable of getting higher paying jobs and living well. I’m not going to argue the politics of the state of the nation that took place almost a hundred years ago. I’m not arguing that the workplace shouldn’t have regulations. My original point was that minimum wage should not be increased because I don’t believe the government has any say in what an employer should pay you. That is the employer’s decision to be worked out with the employee, and the only instance the government should step in is if that employer does not pay for the service you agreed to do for X amount of money. As a poor college student who has quit jobs having nothing else to fall back on merely out of principal, I’ve found other jobs and done alright. (One of those job actually paid me less than minimum wage, but I agreed to do it, and that’s not the government’s fault; it’s mine.) Some people can’t afford to walk away, and if need be, those people have to bear it until they gain some job skills they can offer to another employer or they move up in the chain. Even working at McDonalds for ten years is going to get you a good seat as a manager. Not only there, but Penn Station is a really nice sub and salad franchise. It takes a few years to get up to the status of general manager there, but it’s possible as long as you stay committed and work hard. General mangers there make $60,000 a year. Kukushka There's also SOCIALIZATION. There's also LACK OF EDUCATION. There's also NOT KNOWING WHAT PROGRAMS ARE AVAILABLE. Why would I waste my time looking up programs that might help me get a better job when I don't even know that such a program might even exist? Kukushka Every child gets this kind of education? Funny, especially since, last I heard, schools that taught sex ed were getting budget cuts, while schools that just taught abstinence and NOTHING ELSE were getting more funding. I NEVER had these dolls you are talking about. I saw a show once where the kids got an egg. That was the closest thing I got to first hand experience. "Kids are taught this" doesn't work. Sorry. Kukushka So am I, largely. And I am talking about schools in the US. Sorry to shatter your rose-colored glasses. Once again, you don’t live in the U.S. and therein lies the difference. Now, I haven’t been to every city in the country nor can I account for them. But I do live on the outskirts of a city that’s one of the top 10 cities for crime in America. The public schools need work, but everyone attending them is poor, so there’s little to influx into the economy. In the surrounding area however, the schools systems are better and prosperous; it’s just the downtown area that sucks. I never said every city in America had daisy fields where the children run, laugh, and play. Hell, my boyfriend was born in Detroit. I personally think a large portion of the problem could be fixed with the Fair Tax proposal. Kukushka Faith Burns I don’t believe they are victims. It’s their willing choice to have the children. They have jobs, husbands, middle to upper class lives, but they are unprepared because they’re ignorant. Information can’t be shoved down the unwillings’ throats. "They" have "upper to middle class lives"? Excuse me, but you seem to be forgetting a rather large part of the population. Then again, I am not surprised. They are rather often forgotten. I’m not forgetting anyone. I was referring to similar types of female patients that can financially support their children, yet have difficulty doing so psychologically. My point was just because you can financially support your child, doesn’t necessarily mean you should have one. You forget the original point of this thread was mothers and when they should be having children, not America’s job market and school systems. Kukushka Faith Burns I can only account for America because I live here, but community colleges, like the one near me, with credit hours at around $40 with enough financial aid to cover your classes and then some, I’d say you can enter the program and get a high-paying job. Do they cover the costs of the time spent in class instead of working? Some do, some don’t; depends on the individual, his or her financial situation, and other factors I wouldn’t know because I’ve never worked in a financial aid office. But I’ve had some friends that were completely covered, yes. Kukushka Faith Burns Not only that, but scholarships are also available. Are these scholarships well-publicized? To the point that EVERYONE in the country knows that they are available and how to get them (as a default, without having to go out and do research)? It’s common knowledge that most, perhaps all, colleges and universities offer scholarships and grants through programs or financial aid in some form or another. Everyone has to do some research into their own colleges and universities though before joining. To do no research into what your school offers is completely idiotic to say the least. You can speak with representatives who can give you the details or read about it elsewhere. No one just signs up for a random college on a whim. Kukushka Faith Burns There’s like… 5 to 10 colleges within a 20 mile radius of me. Does everyone have that? No, but like I said, I can only account for America. So EVERYONE in American has 5 to 10 colleges within a 20 mile radius? You know that’s not true, or Montana wouldn’t be a completely different story. I’m merely providing an example that not every city in the country is some dilapidated shithole with no opportunity whatsoever like you seem to be portraying. Kukushka I have been talking about the North American problems. NOT Zimbabwe or Uzbekistan. Just North America. And as far as job markets and education go, Canada and the US are extremely similar. Yes, I agree they're similar, but exactly how similar and different I wouldn't know, having never lived there. I'd much rather discuss something I know and can speak for rather than something I can't, which is what I'm sticking to. Kukushka Faith Burns As for my local community college, it IS downtown, literally in the inner city with billboards galore. Anyone in my area who hasn’t heard of it lives in a cave, and many of the inner city people attend. So because you have this available, because your city has this set up, everyone in the US does as well, correct? So why pity anyone who doesn't because, after all, they don't exist. Now you’re just being... strange. Kukushka Good for you. Too bad it's not realistic. You are continually failing to take into account what lack of self-confidence can (and does) do to people. Kukushka So do I. I do not, however, believe that most people who lack the self-confidence to set high goals and go for them will do so. Kukushka Ever think that maybe, just maybe, it takes more effort that you can ever even dream of for some people just to get out of bed in the morning? That is what lack of self-confidence can do. Do you not understand my story, my mother’s story, and the stories of so many others I have met or am related to? We’ve been there: fallen, broken, forced to sleep outside, no food, poor, alone. YES, I have been there, but just because I overcame it means I’m not a success story you can account for? I did it. They can too. My mother did it. We did it with nothing. Let me reiterate that word for you: NOTHING. Are there worse cases? Yes. Are there better cases? Yes, but that doesn’t change the fact that I make my own way, my own life. We fought to get out of bed, move our legs, look in the mirror, and tells ourselves we are strong. People have to rise. Rewarding them because they weren’t born rich only perpetuates their mentality that their situation does not be to be rectified. The future progresses because we seek to overcome the faults of the past, not continue the same s**t that only continues the cycle. Kukushka Faith Burns I have been put down my entire life and most of my own flesh and blood have turned their backs on me, yet here I stand. Yes yes, I know. Everyone's a ******** victim. Life has been so hard on you. I am sure that no one on the face of this planet has problems worse than you have had, correct? No, I am NOT a victim. I never was, and I never will be. You’re too ignorant to appreciate the fact that someone can grow up with a life as shitty as the ones you describe and yet still turn out just fine. Kukushka Vince Vaughn's character realized, by the end of the movie, that he was wrong. Um, no he didn’t, but there’s no way I’m getting into a debate about the politics of film and metaphorical representation through film. We’re just going to have to part ways on this one. Kukushka My "pathology"? I have to tell you, I don't exactly sit too well with your pathology that anyone who isn't a millionaire isn't out of their own laziness either. My ideals are that if everyone can take responsibility for their own lives, work for their dreams, and don’t accept failure just because life wasn’t a shining rainbow, then they can and will overcome. Like it or not, it is a scientific fact that your attitude shapes your life. You not only have to try, but you have to believe in your success and truly want it. Life’s not about proving yourself to anyone but yourself. Kukushka To be honest, people with as little compassion as you make me physically ill. Likewise for people with as little faith in others as you. Kukushka Ah yes! Of course! Because moving to a new area doesn't cost any money! And it's really easy to do, especially if you are living day by day, barely making enough to pay the bills, and have children to think of. And there’s where chance and risk, those ever present things in life, come into play. If she really wants to be a journalist, she needs to go where it’s needed and work for it. Opportunity can be as difficult as that and as easy as one of my college buddies who wrote some article in a small magazine and got offered a phenomenal job as a journalist in New York City with everything paid for. I’ve said time and time again, life is not some dreamboat vacation nor would it be enjoyable if it was. Kukushka Yet again, your version of the world is rather interesting, though totally irrealistic. Not to be condescending , but it’s “unrealistic.” May have just been a typo, but if fluency in English gets you a job, why not? Kukushka Reading your profile, I am done talking to you. Someone who would deny a woman a job because she's a woman, even though she may be perfectly physically capable, is not someone I even want to be associating with. And with that, I'm off to bed. Right because you know, if you’re unconscious in a burning building and the fireman/woman can’t carry you out, you’re going to die, you know that, right? The same is true for any man who’s not physically capable of the task. You seem to be misinterpreting what I said because I NEVER stated in my profile a woman can’t be a fireman because she’s a woman. If she’s not physically capable of carrying someone out of a burning building, they shouldn’t lower the weight requirements like they already do. Any woman who can perform the job adequately should be allowed to have the job. Like I said, it’s the same for a man who isn’t physically capable, but they don’t lower the weight requirements for him. GreenSouthpaw I have a friend whose parents are self-employed. Her family moved from New York to Florida at the beginning of the year to do a couple things: to open a gift shop, and an online shop. It was what they needed to support themselves. The store was supposed to open several months ago, and they had contacted a company for advertising, etc. who were supposed to start putting up ads several months ago. They never did, and the area they opened the store in a couple weeks ago turned out to be an area where most people couldn't afford to shop at a gift store. They had needed the online store to work to support them while they waited for the shop to open. Very few purchases were made. The shop itself hardly got any business; not nearly enough to justify paying the rent on the space. She had also been looking for a job all over the place. She applied at clothing stores, restaurants, etc., but no one hired her. She has the skills and she has worked as several things for her parents, receptionist, waitress, etc... Soon she and her family are going to live in her brother's garage in New York until they can afford to live in their own place. Yeah, it's just so easy to make money these days, it's laughable. Though somehow, I'm not laughing. My parents’ private practice was listed incorrectly in the phonebook for two years. Despite numerous calls and letters, they couldn’t get it fixed and probably lost a great deal of business because of it. However, they worked around it and tried different approaches with their business. They’re in massive debt because they took a huge chance, but they’re not regretful and believe in their success. So far, it has done nothing but grown, and I believe that they’ll slowly get out of debt over the years. They’re setting goals and working to meet them. Your friend’s parents should really read some books by Joe Vitale.
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