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Grip of Death

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:46 pm


Read the news lately? You know, the stuff that talks about how the future of China and India will include a generation of way too many manles in proportion to females?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060829/sc_nm/males_dc_1

Guess what?

cry me a ********' river here, India and China. It's not anyone's fault that entire societies have degraded the status of "existing with a v****a" SO MUCH that parents would willingly rather have a baby boy. It's not the parent's fault for wanting a son as opposed to a daughter. It's your own ********' problem that your society's attitudes against women are so ******** up, it's no wonder no one wants to invest in raising females. I hope you'll choke and suffer in such a meaningful way when the boys grow up and find out there's no more mates for them in their home countries, that

a) the society will value women more intrinsicly, so that parents are intrinsicly motivated to have or spare baby girls

or

b) let the excess boys migrate to different countries and compete for lady companions all across the world, so that the general status of women will slightly rise when males see the increased competition.

I don't feel sorry that certain countries have quotas on children. China and India simply have too many people to take care of, and if you have a problem with having only one child, THEN MOVE OUT.


ALSO

this article pisses me off, because it kind of "blames" male violent behavior on not enough supply of "available generational p***y". ...It's as if males are completely incapable of having self control over their feelings, that they need an available female to act as his "tension manager". I may be stretching this interpretation out a bit, but it all sounds to me like the classic "blame the woman for all the problems in the world" syndrome.

holla if you hear me out on this!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:07 pm


That population difference between males and females there is like only two+ per cent! What the hell is there to worry about? And let us consider that the male population probably has a gay population that is more than two per cent, meaning that there isn't much to worry about.

And does Chinese and Indian law dictate that a male must inherite everything? Because if it doesn't, than they shouldn't give a ******** if they have a girl or boy.

And if a man needs to ********, God forbid they see a prostitute...

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:10 pm


Gay Indian and Chinese men must be frolicking with delight.

I can't believe nobody saw this coming... And "I'm violent because of the p***y shortage!" is a piss-poor reason. But, y'know... Sex-selective abortion: from the makers of foot-binding and chaining a widow to her husband's funeral pyre.

Does China actually force women who are pregnant with a second child to abort, or does she just get a lot of pressure to abort? I think she's also fined heavily upon delivery...
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:18 pm


Deformography
Gay Indian and Chinese men must be frolicking with delight.

I can't believe nobody saw this coming... And "I'm violent because of the p***y shortage!" is a piss-poor reason. But, y'know... Sex-selective abortion: from the makers of foot-binding and chaining a widow to her husband's funeral pyre.

Does China actually force women who are pregnant with a second child to abort, or does she just get a lot of pressure to abort? I think she's also fined heavily upon delivery...

Heavy pressure for abortion and sterelization I think. Unless she lives in a farm area and had a girl as a first born.

RMarques


Talon-chan

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:59 pm


Society wise it isn't that the boys inheret... it's that the girls move out.

If you have a son he will be able to stay home and care for you in your old age and help in the farmwork.

If you have a girl, when she gets married, she leaves. Her husband will not help you and your family.

Therefore you want at least one son to help you in your old age and to be available to care for you.

It's the societal structure and the nature of girls moving away to live with their husband's family that makes them unfavorable. Change this and you'll no longer have people that value boys over girls.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:05 pm


Katsuya Ishtar
That population difference between males and females there is like only two+ per cent! What the hell is there to worry about? And let us consider that the male population probably has a gay population that is more than two per cent, meaning that there isn't much to worry about.

And does Chinese and Indian law dictate that a male must inherite everything? Because if it doesn't, than they shouldn't give a ******** if they have a girl or boy.

And if a man needs to ********, God forbid they see a prostitute...


good point, ALSO on top of the acceptance of homosexuality and other consentual sexual bonds, there's the possibility of future wars which would not regret the surplus of young men.

Grip of Death


Grip of Death

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:12 pm


and in my view, there is many (mostly socially-imposed) reasons, as opposed to one reason why females are the devalued gender.

It's just a hope that society will be forced to recognize the inherent worth, equality, and dignity of females if there is a shortage of them, as opposed to a surplus of females.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:23 pm


Grip of Death
if you have a problem with having only one child, THEN MOVE OUT.

I have a problem with this statement. I have a very big problem with this statement.

Namely, that it assumes that everyone is rich enough and educated enough to be accepted anywhere else. Do you have any idea how bloody hard it is to immigrate or get a visa just about ANYWHERE if you don't have tons of money or are invaluable as a skilled worker?

I married into a family that spent YEARS denying their children the toys, clothes, and food that most people here take for granted so that they could pay the immigration fees and have enough saved up that they would allow them into the country (well over $10,000CA in total) and they were lucky enough that my father-in-law had good enough grads to be accepted into the highly competitive institute and could have a higher education. Otherwise, they would never have been accepted.

"Don't like it, get the ******** out" is one of my pet peeves. It's one of those statements that just crawls under my skin because it is so incredibly far removed from reality and shows a complete lack of understanding and respect for the millions of people who suffer daily because they CAN'T get out.

Katsuya Ishtar
And let us consider that the male population probably has a gay population that is more than two per cent, meaning that there isn't much to worry about.

An average of 10% (so 5% give or take of the total population).

However, this statement also implies a serious lack of cultural sensitivity. It is as hard to be a homosexual in India and China now as it was here in the '80s. To say "there's no problem! Those people can all go be gay!" presents an irrealistic (and rather flippant) solution to a far more complicated problem.

Deformography
Does China actually force women who are pregnant with a second child to abort, or does she just get a lot of pressure to abort? I think she's also fined heavily upon delivery...

As I understand it, the State will provide public education for ONE child. Any more children, and the family has to pay. The fees are rather hefty.

As for the population difference, I find it absolutely horrible that there are so many "missing women." I also do not pity young main complaining of "p***y shortage." I am shocked that more work is not being done in this countries by foreign aid groups to increase independence for women so that they can save for themselves in their old age and that more pressure isn't being put on companies to provide retirement benefits for workers and their spouses.

Akhakhu


Aiko_Kaida

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:21 pm


You know what is a really fun game? Go to a yahoo regional chat room with an obviously female screen name and hang around for a while without saying anything. No matter what region of the country you say you are in you will get a lot of Indian guys messaging you. If you talk to them most will ask you to marry them within a few days. You can always tell who they are easily because if you ask them a/s/l they will tell you their age and gender, but leave off the location. They also seem to like to use the buzz feature if you don't answer them fast enough.
Apparently they are already so short on women they are looking for Americans.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:26 pm


Almost everything thing in this topic makes me very angry for some reason or another.

For one, alot of people in this topic are coming off as ASSHOLES. Sorry, but I can't help but think that while reading through this topic. I can't (Or won't) say exactly who or what I'm angry about, but there's something deffinatly in this topic that's pissing me off. stare

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Akhakhu

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:31 pm


Aiko_Kaida
they are looking for Americans.

Of course. Didn't you know that (white) Americans are superior in every way to all other people on earth?

At least, that's what a lot of Americans keep telling me...

Just to add a PS to my previous post, a nerve was touched. Sorry 'bout that.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:44 pm


It's insulting to both genders to say that men are not responsible for their actions if women aren't around. It implies that

{1} women are only an incubator and a temperament manager for men; in other words, we only exist for them.

{2} that men cannot be decent, intelligent, and sensible enough on their own to keep themselves out of trouble.

I don't really give a s**t what people think of me for saying this: I believe that the value systems in those countries are severely ******** up. There has to be gender equality of at least some sort for society to function. Even in history when women were only supposed to be mothers and homemakers (MAYBE a teacher if you were really uppity, and even then only until you were married) women were at least given respect. Not much, but some respect.

In their value system, women are not respected. Women are walking wombs; they are to men what a patch of soil is to a farmer. Useful, ought to be well-kept and protected, but without any extreme amount of value or any rights. And certainly no personhood. Not the best analogy, but I think my point is clear.

There are always exceptions to this rule. I'm sure in China and India there are men who do not believe that females are less important, but they are few and far between.

Of course, this is just another part of the world's thought process that needs to be changed for the betterment of humankind. And just like all the other parts, it's doubtful that it will be changed without something cataclysmic happening.

Priestess of Hecate


Akhakhu

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 9:54 pm


Who is this "they"? At least India has had a female prime minister, which is far more than I can say for the US.

I honestly don't like this "they think this" talk. India and China are diverse countries with a huge spectrum of thought. Go to Hong Kong or many parts of Calcutta or any major city and apart from the language on signs, you wouldn't know that you weren't in Paris, or Zurich, or London, or New York. You'll see women walking around in business suits talking on their mobile phones.

And as for the rural areas, try going to the Sticks around Pittsburg.

Yes, the culture is different. Yes women are not accorded the same respect that they are in some countries. And yes there are elements of the dominant cultures in both of these countries that strike me as "******** up." But there are an equal number of elements of the dominant cultures in ALL countries that strike me as "******** up."

As for change, change is happening all the time. It took centuries for women to have the rights they have now in the US and the UK. By the time women were being allowed to vote in the UK, non-British Indians were only just being able to vote in their own country.

India is not where the west is. But there are many female politicians and writers and social activists who are working hard to change things. And despite what you may think, they have made agreat deal of progress.

Women are no longer set on fire or tossed onto their husband's funeral pyres in India. Women in China no longer have their feet bound. Women in both countries are getting an education and, while it is not with the same frequency as it is for boys, efforts are being made. Devaluing all the hard work and progress both countries have been making by leaps and bounds over the last few decades helps no one.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:11 pm


Kukushka
Who is this "they"? At least India has had a female prime minister, which is far more than I can say for the US.

I honestly don't like this "they think this" talk. India and China are diverse countries with a huge spectrum of thought. Go to Hong Kong or many parts of Calcutta or any major city and apart from the language on signs, you wouldn't know that you weren't in Paris, or Zurich, or London, or New York. You'll see women walking around in business suits talking on their mobile phones.

And as for the rural areas, try going to the Sticks around Pittsburg.

Yes, the culture is different. Yes women are not accorded the same respect that they are in some countries. And yes there are elements of the dominant cultures in both of these countries that strike me as "******** up." But there are an equal number of elements of the dominant cultures in ALL countries that strike me as "******** up."

As for change, change is happening all the time. It took centuries for women to have the rights they have now in the US and the UK. By the time women were being allowed to vote in the UK, non-British Indians were only just being able to vote in their own country.

India is not where the west is. But there are many female politicians and writers and social activists who are working hard to change things. And despite what you may think, they have made agreat deal of progress.

Women are no longer set on fire or tossed onto their husband's funeral pyres in India. Women in China no longer have their feet bound. Women in both countries are getting an education and, while it is not with the same frequency as it is for boys, efforts are being made. Devaluing all the hard work and progress both countries have been making by leaps and bounds over the last few decades helps no one.



I apologize for the generalization. That was wrong of me. You are, of course, correct; in no country is there a set value system for anything. My only possible defence is that I'd just finished reading a few other current-events anti-women occurrences, and was feeling rather angry and frustrated. But that's no excuse. So, as I said, I apologize.

I suppose it's far more accurate to say that in all parts of the world, everywhere, there are customs that are oppressive, violent, disturbing, and just plain hateful and wrong -- customs which need to be stopped and/or changed. In some areas they are predominant and much more obvious, and more widespread -- leading to the kind of country-focused outburst I exhibited earlier, but they exist everywhere and they need to be weeded out.

There is, however, always resistance where there is oppression, and such steps forward deserve to be acknowledged as well rather than simply focusing on the negatives and attacking those relentlessly.

Priestess of Hecate


Akhakhu

PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 10:13 pm


Flame Warrioress
I apologize for the generalization. That was wrong of me. You are, of course, correct; in no country is there a set value system for anything. My only possible defence is that I'd just finished reading a few other current-events anti-women occurrences, and was feeling rather angry and frustrated. But that's no excuse. So, as I said, I apologize.

I suppose it's far more accurate to say that in all parts of the world, everywhere, there are customs that are oppressive, violent, disturbing, and just plain hateful and wrong -- customs which need to be stopped and/or changed. In some areas they are predominant and much more obvious, and more widespread -- leading to the kind of country-focused outburst I exhibited earlier, but they exist everywhere and they need to be weeded out.

Thank you, that's much better smile

I get angry to. I read these things, or I see them happening, and it's very easy to be angry. But identifying an entire group of people to direct your hatred towards is how Bush got his second term.

I'm really glad you stepped back. Thank you very much.
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