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 Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:26 pm
Today in history class, there was a discussion on the war between Israel and Hizballah. Obviously, I was participating enthusiastically, and at one point I said that Hizballah shouldn't be negotiated with because it actively seeks the destruction of Israel.
Then my teacher cut me off and started telling me, very condescendingly, that I'm just making huge sweeping generalizations, and that all Hizballah wants is a prisoner exchange. I tried to say something, but she continued on with her complete bullshit. It wasn't so much what she said to me that made me mad, but that she was an authority figure presenting her ridiculously biased views to a class that, mostly, knows very little about Hizballah. Basically, she was spreading misinformation. Aren't teachers supposed to keep their personal views out of the lesson plan? That, and the way she talked was as if I had said something like "all arabs are terrorists who need to die." WTF?!
So basically, now I'm compiling some evidence, showing that Hizballah does indeed seek the descrution of the state of Israel -- and, if Nasrallah is any example, doing so very vocally. Does anyone have some good sources I can use? I would prefer international -- if it's an arab source or an interview, even better. Thank you so so much. heart
And, to add to the discussion, has anyone ever had a teacher like this?
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:25 pm
Teachers tend to get frustrated when you: A. Know more than them about something. And B. have differing opinions from them.
I had a teacher that did that once to me when we were talking about the Freedom Fries incident. There's another one I'm forgetting too...I think it was something to do with the Holocaust. Who knows.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:25 pm
1. I LOOOOVE your sig
2. Teachers should not be spreading such idiotic ideas of what the world is like, especially around teenagers who, lets be honest, dont know much either. Luckilly all the teachers I have had have been Pro-Israel so whenever we got into discussions about that stuff I never got angry xp
But really, thats not cool. For shame on your teacher, for shame.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 2:58 pm
Protip: She can't make you be quiet during an in class discussion. Keep talking even when she tells you to stop.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:46 pm
Stxitxchxes Protip: She can't make you be quiet during an in class discussion. Keep talking even when she tells you to stop. i tend to do that... or i just smack them.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:52 pm
That's completely ridiculous! Not only is she trying to bias kids with her own views, but she won't even admit her point is wrong! And if you argue back, she can get you in trouble for insubordination. GRR That totally stinks. This might help. I also saw a thread on this a while ago: Quote: What I don't understand is why the rest of the world can't see the fact that Hezbollah is using civilians as pawns in a political jihad. Sure, Hezbollah might have financed civilian schools, libraries, markets, whatever... but was it really Hezbollah that had financed that, or was it Iran through that terrorist organization? While you think about that, remember that ultimately Hezbollah is using Lebanese public opinion to leverage acts of terrorism against Israel as "legitimate". No matter what the news says, I'm also frankly surprised at the wording of what immediately sparked this conflict: quote: ...the capture of two Israeli soldiers... Why haven't they labelled that as an abduction? It is much more appropriate! In fact a lot of news agencies had already gone from calling the "suicide bombers" a much more insultive name of "suicide murderers" and the like. So why not do the same for the spark of this now-three-weeks-long war? The international community is retarded. Israel has, during the past years, been repeatedly told to back off and Israel repeatedly did so. Israel was not the aggressor in this war, and you can't expect an "immediate" ceasefire for tensions that have been building for years, literally. During the beginning of this war, Israel had dropped leaflets telling all civilians to flee for their lives. Anyone left in the region is one of three things: A Hezbollah fighter Forced to stay against their will by Hezbollah Or lastly: stupid, retarded, or similar. I don't understand why international leaders cannot see this. And to touch on what I said at the beginning of this paragraph: if the same thing had happened to any of the nations that are unsupportive (to say the least) of Israel, I would wholeheartedly support them to take the exact same action that Israel is taking against Hezbollah, and I would in fact be confused if they didn't. As a matter of fact, I had been halfheartedly watching the Israeli news during the past six months or so, and had been perplexed as to why Israel hadn't taken any action. Quote: If you think the media having a hard time of it using the word abduction is a surprise then just take a few years and notice how often they refuse to apply the word terrorist to anyone. It's always activist, militants, radicals, extremist or disgrntled youths; never terrorist. They even go so far as to differentiate between the political and armed "wings" of Hamas and Hezbollah as if there even were such things. If Israel had been using Red Cross ambulances to transport their weapons and soldiers the world would be in an uproar. But since it's Palestinians doing it that's just dandy. If Israel had released photos of the dead from the constant rocket attacks from Lebanon then the world would be going ape s**t crazy with moral rage. But since it's Hezbollah leading the reporters around by their noses staging photo ops that's quite alright. The world media just gobbles it up. Oh wait, didn't you hear, the actual dead at Qana was well below the original number. And all of those that were killed were women and children killed hours after the IAF attack when the building they were forced to remain in finally collapsed. A sane person might ask why there were no men killed as well. But then a sane person would realize that the men had run away because they're all gutless pussies that hide behind civilians. Ever stop and wonder why it is they never show their faces when on tv? Rather odd since they call themselves the unbeatable armies of Allah while real soldiers have no problem showing their faces. Yet the world keeps spinning...
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:55 pm
More help because I totally want to prove this ignorant fool wrong: This oneI liked this quote as well: Quote: Cowards or not, if the civilians stay and fight, then they are no longer civilians. I think that's a point that a lot of people aren't grasping, and I think that's where the civilian shield idea came from: civilians staying, fighting, and then dying. In a debate thread: Quote: Israel doesn't send it civilians to blow themselves up because they are smarter than that. They do not randomly go on "Jihads" and blow things up because that will get them to heaven. Sure they join the army, but it's a lot better than strapping a bomb on and running into Lebanon and exploding when the most people get around them. The bombs are meant for Hezbollah despite what you or anyone else keeps saying. The average citizen in Lebanon even admits that they favor Hezbollah and have AK-47's and RPG"s that they'd gladly take to the fight if Israel invaded. This makes them not civilians anymore. If they stay and fight they aren't civilians. Also, you keep saying the casualties are greater in Lebanon than Israel. I agree completely. The casualites are greater in Lebanon cause half the civilians aren't really civilians and because Hezbollah hides behind them. What is there to not see? If the Hezbollah leader goes and hides in a "hospital" Israel is going to bomb it. If the civilians are stupid enough to stay near the hospital that really isn't a hospital than they're going to die. So for you to state I keep trying to refute it in illigoical ways, is very ironic as I'm not refuting the fact that Lebanon has more casualties, but rather, explaining why that is so. Third, yes I would expect you to read about the opinions in Jewish World Review. If you don't then you can't see all sides to the argument. By you just looking at the canadian article or things of that nature you will develop a bias. I read your article about the Canadian people and I admit, I sympathize with them. However, they were not targeted directly and there death is more of Hezbollah's fault than Israel's. Hezbollah attacked Israel and Israel has all the right in the world to go in and destroy it. Although I admit I'd much rather them just blow up Syria and Iran, they don't have as much justification. Finally, have you talked to anyone in the middle east currently? I've talked to both Lebanese civilians and Israeli civilians and learned about each side from them. I've gone to UN sites and historical sites to find out about the previous wars and what led up to this. It seems like all you look at is CNN's casuality counter and base all of your opinions on that. So once again I would state, "Please do more research into this topic before basing your assumptions on mere numbers.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 6:20 pm
Is that like agianst the law to like talk about what you think but someone starts to yell at you because she dosent think so?but id probley smack the teacher soo who knows
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:05 am
i love my history teacher... she isnt jewish and wears a big cross on her neck,
but she will NEVER put in opinions...and only facts, and when shes not sure about sumthing judaic she'll say, to talk to the rabbi about it
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:08 am
Akhilles Stxitxchxes Protip: She can't make you be quiet during an in class discussion. Keep talking even when she tells you to stop. i tend to do that... or i just smack them. HA that is awsome bro! oo I wish I had the guts to smack a teacher. Jungle_Girl405 Is that like agianst the law to like talk about what you think but someone starts to yell at you because she dosent think so?but id probley smack the teacher soo who knows yes but she probably got thsoe idea's from a newsstation or newspaper, and as they say once the news says it it's fact. (to the public I mean) So if she got called on it she'd just say it was fact. I'd say don't make the matter into a big deal all it can do is plant seeds of anti-semetic feelings. If it bothers you enough, gather up some factual information search around like news channels websites or newspaper articles that quote hezbollah's leader saying they want israel wiped off the map, which they do. then take the information to her with your sorces and tell her she's got her things messed up. Perhaps even just talk to her after school and debate with her there. If she ignores you and cuts you off than the she's an ignorant female dog. 3nodding i'm good. Anywho I had a teacher like this before.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:57 pm
I have been very fortunate in my educational experiences not, as I recall, to have had a teacher as this one. Most of my teachers no where they stand and are VERY good about not putting in there own views! My teacher last year was very good about playin g Devil's advicate, u nfortunately the kids in my class would not debate or were to lazy, so it was basically my teacher, one or two other kids and myself, going at it full force sometimes, though rarely, standing up and shouting, while the other kids carried on with their iPods and Bubble gum.
Now, as I start school this Thursday, I do not know what my new HIstory teacher will be like, but I'm hoping she is great about not putting in views, because this year, I study Modern European History. And we all know what that means. It's time to study the Holocaust...
And, as Stxitxchxes said earlier, just keep talking, but watch out because pf insubordination, etc. I suppose you could report te teacher, but that's only if she does something OUTRAGEOUS, an example being, her saying, "THE JEWS ARE LIARS AND BLAME EVERYTHING ON THE ARABS." In which case, I would also have a go at her and Akhilles and I would have a field day. ^^
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 7:22 pm
Thank you so much, everyone! You have no idea how helpful you all are. I didn't respond earlier as I have been crazily busy and didn't have any time to do anything on Gaia except for post fleetingly in the GD (which takes absolutely no time xd ), but I definitely checked here, and I'm now almost done compiling my evidence.
@Stxitxchxes: agh, why did I forget that?! The problem is, in school in the United States, they constantly try to make you forget that you have freedom of speech during discussion. rolleyes ******** political correctness.
@Donovinhs Knight: haha, thank you. rofl I love my signature too.
MUCH LOVE TO THIS WHOLE GUILD! heart heart
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:44 am
Tis Mutiny! Thank you so much, everyone! You have no idea how helpful you all are. I didn't respond earlier as I have been crazily busy and didn't have any time to do anything on Gaia except for post fleetingly in the GD (which takes absolutely no time xd ), but I definitely checked here, and I'm now almost done compiling my evidence. @Stxitxchxes: agh, why did I forget that?! The problem is, in school in the United States, they constantly try to make you forget that you have freedom of speech during discussion. rolleyes ******** political correctness. @Donovinhs Knight: haha, thank you. rofl I love my signature too. MUCH LOVE TO THIS WHOLE GUILD! heart heart Woot she loves us 4laugh
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:19 pm
Our history teacher, R' Ya'akov Meir is more extreem than any other Israeli I know about his opinion of the Hizzbulla. I think he should be our new priminister 3nodding . He thinks they need to be dealt with very... eh... fatally xp .
My english teacher has plenty to say on the subject, it depends how rude your willing to be to your teacher xd .
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