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 Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:59 am
I don't know if this has been done before, or if this should be discussed in the "American Idiot" thread where people talk about the album... I don't know.
Just lock it if it's a repeat... Yeah.
This thread is where people can come and discuss the storyline of American Idiot;
the characters, the love-ties and the... yeah, the storyline.
I think St. Jimmy and JoS are the same person; I've listened to the lyrics very closely, and to me they sound like the same person, and when Jimmy dies, JoS gets better...
What do you all think?
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:33 pm
They are the same person. They're both characters in the head of "J" (that's the name the diary entries signed in the special edition book thing) that represent two different philosophies. When he returns home at the end, St. Jimmy "dies" and J stops trying to be the independednt badass that he isn't. He realizes that running off to the city and living some grand life won't change his personality and that people aren't going to accept him for something he's not (like Whatsername, who rejects him).
At least that's how I see it. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:06 pm
I think it's a case of schitzophrenia (sp?).
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 1:06 pm
I believe they're the same person. My theory is JoS hated everything about his life, so he ran away. He then went insane, and created St.Jimmy (he may have been a schizo). He lived life from what Jimmy was "telling" him, and that lead to the loss of Whatsername. The lyric "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia; the St.Jimmy is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love." says a lot about the same person theory. He realized that he needed to be his own person, not St.Jimmy, so he erased Jimmy, or a mental suicide. Went home, and learned from his experience.
Yeah, I realize that's basically what Alien said sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:11 pm
Darkend Light I believe they're the same person. My theory is JoS hated everything about his life, so he ran away. He then went insane, and created St.Jimmy (he may have been a schizo). He lived life from what Jimmy was "telling" him, and that lead to the loss of Whatsername. The lyric "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia; the St.Jimmy is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love." says a lot about the same person theory. He realized that he needed to be his own person, not St.Jimmy, so he erased Jimmy, or a mental suicide. Went home, and learned from his experience. Yeah, I realize that's basically what Alien said sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:22 pm
stupidity_in_action Darkend Light I believe they're the same person. My theory is JoS hated everything about his life, so he ran away. He then went insane, and created St.Jimmy (he may have been a schizo). He lived life from what Jimmy was "telling" him, and that lead to the loss of Whatsername. The lyric "You're not the Jesus of Suburbia; the St.Jimmy is a figment of your father's rage and your mother's love." says a lot about the same person theory. He realized that he needed to be his own person, not St.Jimmy, so he erased Jimmy, or a mental suicide. Went home, and learned from his experience. Yeah, I realize that's basically what Alien said sweatdrop i don't think he's mentally ill, St. Jimmy seems to be more an alter ego created to allow him to get away from the meaninglessness of his suburban life. I think in the end he realises that you can escape it and he just takes control and deals with it. The reason Whatsername leaves is because she feels St. Jimmy is fake and really isnt any better than JOS.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 6:15 pm
i think they are the same person as well. Jesus of Suburbia being the normal state but then suddenly as he leaves to live in the city. the way the city is and who he hangs around, changes him.by.. hanging around with the underbelly he kind of gains this sort of alter ego that is indeed St. Jimmy. and well. Whatsername obviously doesn't like St. Jimmy and she like JOS better. he doesn't seem to give a s**t. which is what alter egos amount to, not really caring at the time being because you feel as if you're the best thing in town.
hence why i think she leaves him. which is also tied with the song Letterbomb i suppose. and then after he's lost it all; whilst being St. Jimmy he realizes that what he did is something that can't be reversed. and he has to live with it. because you obviosuly can't go back in time and change things. and i think he sort of tries to kill his alter ego and refers back to Jesus of Suburbia with himself more in check but without Whatsername..... and he can't do anything about it.
yea...
i probably restated someone. or something.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 6:48 pm
yeah i was watching some interview on TV with Green Day, and Billie Joe said something like this:
It is a story about someone who is coming of age and is trying to figure out the true meaning of rebellion. THe false vrsion of it (St. Jimmy) getting into crime or drugs. Then theres the real meaning which is standing up for what you believe in (JoS).
i dunno it was something like that sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:39 pm
I think that they are the same person, is just an alter ego, and all this stuff that happens when he goes to the city, and turns to st. jimmy and fall in drugs and that stuff, but when st. jimmy "suicides" is when "j" realizes that he is all ******** up and he needs to go back to his town, but "j" never dies....that's what i'm thinking in this merely moment ^^ but it's a great story for me, so touching, really!
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:58 pm
See, it's a bit of a love story and a tale of self-discovery. It's different from Green Day's other cd's in that aspect. The fact that they themselves admit it's different from their other ones proves that Green Day is still Green Day. I don't get why some people think that Green Day's selling out with A.I. because they haven't.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:07 am
I was watching green day story tellers and billie joe said the song jesus of suburbia,is about broken homes.He said he grew up in time when there where alot of broken homes,that what he said jesus of suburbia is about.
The song we are the waiting is a song deticated to saint jimmy,the song we are the waiting,is when saint jimmy is in this city.He is feeling lonley and he's on the brink of breaking.Then finnaly he snaps and the song saint jimmy comes on.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 6:09 am
So, everyone agrees they're the same person, correct?
It's just in Storytellers when that guy asks about it, Billie says
"It started out that way, but.... blalalala" and then again he
was very careful to say that Jimmy comes, he never said
and then he meets Jimmy, he said "Jimmy appears"...
Feel free to discuss other stuff too...!
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:47 am
Yeah, it's the same guy. We all got that one. wink I think that it's the complexity of the album that people don't get and that's why they don't like it. Which is crap in my eyes. It's still Green day, so what's the big deal?
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 12:08 pm
stupidity_in_action See, it's a bit of a love story and a tale of self-discovery. It's different from Green Day's other cd's in that aspect. The fact that they themselves admit it's different from their other ones proves that Green Day is still Green Day. I don't get why some people think that Green Day's selling out with A.I. because they haven't. they arent selling-out because of the content of the album, in fact it would be more of a sell out to carry on producing the same music because you know it will sell, its more to do with the way they have started becoming 'involved' with mainstram media. stupidity_in_action Yeah, it's the same guy. We all got that one. wink I think that it's the complexity of the album that people don't get and that's why they don't like it. Which is crap in my eyes. It's still Green day, so what's the big deal? i think thats more to do with the poorer quality is many of the songs compared to previous albums.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 1:11 pm
Peeko stupidity_in_action See, it's a bit of a love story and a tale of self-discovery. It's different from Green Day's other cd's in that aspect. The fact that they themselves admit it's different from their other ones proves that Green Day is still Green Day. I don't get why some people think that Green Day's selling out with A.I. because they haven't. they arent selling-out because of the content of the album, in fact it would be more of a sell out to carry on producing the same music because you know it will sell, its more to do with the way they have started becoming 'involved' with mainstram media. stupidity_in_action Yeah, it's the same guy. We all got that one. wink I think that it's the complexity of the album that people don't get and that's why they don't like it. Which is crap in my eyes. It's still Green day, so what's the big deal? i think thats more to do with the poorer quality is many of the songs compared to previous albums. It's not poor quality; it's a different level of stamina. It's still their music.
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