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Decrepit Faith
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:00 pm


ATTENTION!

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A job for any (or all) of the people in the guild who wish to do so. I'd like to have some reviews or overall opinions on some of the sites linked, so if any of you have been to one of those sites and gone "this is completely wrong" or "this site is fantasitc." now is your time to say it, and express why.

This makes things easier for people who are debating and need to grab some quick references, or people who are just learning and who want the best informative websites. I'll be doing some reviews of my own, so I'm not just shifting all of it onto you guys.


I just noticed that we didn't have a page for pro-life links and such, for anyone who needs them. If you have any you'd like to add, or any comments on any of the sites, post them in here.

Silent No More*^
Hope After Abortion
Just The Facts
Abortion Is Murder (Graphic)
Abortion is Deadlier than Childbirth^
Abortion Info
History of Abortion
Abortion Facts*
Fetal Development
More Fetal Development**
Abortion Law
Human Sentience Before Birth
Overpopulation?
Overpopulation and People
Personal View
Rock For Life^
Galenet**
Life News**^
Safe Legal Abortion?
Society for the Protection of Unborn Children
Life
American Life League^**
Human Life International^
Priests for Life^
JerichoLife.org
Abort 73**^
ProLife Victoria
Life Matters
Wikipedia**

* = Denotes a good websites
** = Denotes a great website
^ = Denotes a unique website, worth some attention.

Non-Conventional Pro-Life Groups

Women Deserve Better
Feminists for Life *
Pagans for Life
No Violence Period
Atheist and Agnostic Pro-Life League
Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians
Libertarians for Life
Feminism and Non-Violence
Pro-Life Community
Pro-Choice=Poor Choice
Abortion Concern
Leftout
Seamless Garment Network
Democrats for Life


*Not only for females. Males are welcome as well.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:01 pm


I would like to suggest

Abortion Is Murder (Graphic)

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:09 pm


Added. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:18 pm


toxic_lollipop
Added. 3nodding


Thanks as always Toxic

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:20 pm


Not a problem.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:44 pm



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:56 pm


http://www.abortioninfo.net/facts/whatis3.shtml
http://www.cbctrust.com/abortion.html#2
http://www.abortionfacts.com/history/history.asp


I found those while doing research on the history of abortion.


Edit: Yeah. I didn't like it much either. it was kinda funny, though.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:44 am


I added 3 of those. The Hope Clinic one I didn't add, because the other ones have history as well and there was no real need for that one. Did you read the abortion procedures on the hope clinic on though? Very VERY vague.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:31 pm


I'll start writing some stuff up, but thanks Toxic for this thread, its helpful
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 1:10 am


toxic_lollipop
I just noticed that we didn't have a page for pro-life links and such, for anyone who needs them. If you have any you'd like to add, or any comments on any of the sites, post them in here.

Women Deserve Better
Feminists for Life *
Silent No More
Hope After Abortion
Just The Facts
Abortion Is Murder (Graphic)
Abortion is Deadlier than Childbirth
Abortion Info
History of Abortion
Abortion Facts

*Not only for females. Males are welcome as well. (yes, males can be feminists. It just means that they support equality.)


kp606's corner:

The following is a list of wanted argument rebuttals. Get some facts and info. and contruct a good anti-argument for each of the following. You'll be given credit. Please make sure it's gramatically correct as you can make it.

Wanted:

Why the fetus is not a parasite
Why abstinence is a better choice
Dangers of Abortion
Inaccuracies of the Pro-Choice Side
Reasons why personhood doesn't matter
Links for support for Young Mothers, Mothers in financial Hardships

I will add more as they come to me


http://www.gabrielproject.com/

Gabriel project is good, it helps....well, the people I know who've used it. I haven't checked out all these links yet, but they seem okay so far:

http://dmoz.org/Health/Reproductive_Health/Clinics_and_Services/Abortion_Alternative_Services/
http://www.abortionfacts.com/search.asp

dangers:

http://www.w-cpc.org/abortion/physical.htmlhttp://www.deveber.org/press-release-eng2.html
http://www.ourchurch.com/view/?pageID=117417
http://www.pregnantpause.org/safe/stakes.htm
http://www.abortionfacts.com/online_books/love_them_both/why_cant_we_love_them_both_27.asp#But isnt abortion safer than childbirth?
http://members.aol.com/dfjoseph/Abortionvschildbirth.html
http://www.crosswalk.com/news/1219305.html (it's an article, but it's got a line about the whole, complications from abortion that cause death and how those complications are the cause of death, not a word of what caused them is mentioned in abortion cases.)



just liked this one
http://www.abortiontv.com/AbortionStatistics.htm
http://www.abortionfacts.com/parsing_the_arguments/parsing_the_arguments.asp

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 4:21 pm


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Why the fetus is not a parasite

It IS a parasite, but it's still a HUMAN (basic biology) parasite. By invoking the definition of parasite you are acknowledging that the fetus is also a completely seperate entity than the mother.

Therefore you could also compare a newborn to a parasite as well. (if it's breastfed then it still technically 'feeds' off the mother.) If she doesn't like the idea of bottle feeding a newborn, but doesn't want to breastfeed should she be given the option of simply killing the baby?


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Why abstinence is a better choice

This I don't agree with. Yes you should teach that abstinence the ONLY 100% effective form of birth control, but everything else should be taught as well.

Abstinence protects not only from pregnancy, but also from STDs. But if you're married or in a long term relationship abstinence will not always be an option. Sure if it's something you both agree on and want it can work, but the chances of that? Slim to none.

I'll add more later.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:36 pm


Erm.....if anyone enjoys making nazi references (considering how easy it is to compare the two) here's a link full of the Nazi Party's speeches. Translated, of course.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/ww2era.htm


I go the way of toxic....abstinence isn't a likely happening, people will never want to give up abortion if it means giving up premarital sex, and she's right, the parasite argument they have is great because it's true, but it's just as true as the fact that a newborn is a parasite. if anyone wants parasite links, I can go back and look them up because I've gotten,

"Well a newborn doesn't have to stay with one host, so it's not a parasite," where this person obviously has never looked at the life cycle of a tick, tapeworm, liverfluke, or anything else. THANK THE LORD FOR MS. MEIER'S ZOOLOGY!

Half of the Inaccuracies of the Pro-Choice side are covered in the, parasite argument, DNA argument, mother's body argument, and such...they all contradict eachother. The other half is false information, like Abortion is safer than childbirth (right rolleyes )and such. Personhood does matter, doesn't it? I mean, that's why slavery went on so long, and the holocaust...these weren't persons, they were parasites, they were leeches on society. Humans, yes, but not Persons. But I'm still looking for a site that has the inaccuracies of prochoice arguments, like, all of them. at once. without ten thousand dif. links, I"ll post back if I find one.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 9:27 pm


http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/aboutwic/default.htm That's WIC,

http://www.abortionfacts.com/life_or_choice/pro_choice.asp

that's got pro choice arguments and then click on them for answers...in depth answers, not dealing with, Because God says so.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:02 pm


toxic_lollipop

*Not only for females. Males are welcome as well. (yes, males can be feminists. It just means that they support equality.)


I'd like to comment on that. Any links about a male's rights? That's his offspring, how just is it that a woman can kill his child? I'm just wondering if anyone has any links of the sort. It's her body, but it's still his kid...shouldn't he have some of the choice making?

If a man has to pay child support if she keeps it, why can't he tell her to abort or not abort? If he doesn't have that right, than she shouldn't expect him to pay child support if she keeps the baby. It's not fair. ABortion isn't fair to men at all. At least, that's what I always thought.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:23 am


toxic_lollipop
Quote:

Why the fetus is not a parasite

It IS a parasite, but it's still a HUMAN (basic biology) parasite. By invoking the definition of parasite you are acknowledging that the fetus is also a completely seperate entity than the mother.

Therefore you could also compare a newborn to a parasite as well. (if it's breastfed then it still technically 'feeds' off the mother.) If she doesn't like the idea of bottle feeding a newborn, but doesn't want to breastfeed should she be given the option of simply killing the baby?


Quote:
Why abstinence is a better choice

This I don't agree with. Yes you should teach that abstinence the ONLY 100% effective form of birth control, but everything else should be taught as well.

Abstinence protects not only from pregnancy, but also from STDs. But if you're married or in a long term relationship abstinence will not always be an option. Sure if it's something you both agree on and want it can work, but the chances of that? Slim to none.

I'll add more later.


Sorry Toxic but it is undoubtedly the better choice because people who don't have sex can't get pregnant and cannot get STDs. Will that stop them? Doubt it, but a little encouragement to aspiring virigns never hurt anyone.
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