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 Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:39 pm
Well in school they make us like shut our mouths or we'll die during class.
So sometime the being religious subject will come up when a teacher says it but that will probably be just about it because "it could offend somebody". Plus nobody really wants to talk about it.
And then when I go to my youth group at Church, they tell us that we should go out there and tell people about it, about Christ.
How is this possible question
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:46 pm
MsLatina Well in school they make us like shut our mouths or we'll die during class. So sometime the being religious subject will come up when a teacher says it but that will probably be just about it because "it could offend somebody". Plus nobody really wants to talk about it. And then when I go to my youth group at Church, they tell us that we should go out there and tell people about it, about Christ. How is this possible question
Personaly, I would have to my teacher that they were breaking the law and dyning my right as an American.
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:20 pm
That's just in class. most of my teacher's dont really care if you mention christianity or anything, because we dont care that anyone else can mention if theyre muslim or buddhist or jewish or whatever they may be. If you start arguing about it or something, is when they care... so if your teachers dont want you to talk about it, they can only stop you in class... Talk at lunch... or if you have off hours, like my school... or any time when teachers dont hold maximum power of you. and were under 18, and in school. we have no rights ^
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:20 pm
hold to thy faith, I've had to stand for it in religion class multiple times, and almost ALL my friends are athiests, and they're VERY good at debating! but I must hold mine own! for my Lord JESUS CHRIST!
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:33 am
Actually, rockmanx, freedom of speech is somewhat circumscribed in public schools. According to the Supreme Court, students' freedom of expression can be restricted if it would cause significant disruption. So the teacher would not necessarily be denying you your rights as an American. Understand that no teacher is obligated to give you a soapbox and a carte blanche to talk about any subject you like just because you feel that you have the 'right' to. Chances are, you don't.
As to MsLatina, it's all right to tell people about Christ, but it's important to recognize that there is a time and a place for it, and during class is neither the time nor the place. If a religious discussion comes up during a course, that is not the time for proselytization—make your feelings on the subject know, if you want to, but don't preach to your classmates. If you really feel the need to introduce other students to Christianity, that can be best achieved with an after-school club or during lunch or breaks.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:33 am
In all honesty, the best ways to reach people about Christ is not through preaching or evangelising, it is simply living a christian lifestyle with christian morals and loving everybody. I've seen that that can do loads more than any preacher.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:30 pm
Tangled Up In Blue Actually, rockmanx, freedom of speech is somewhat circumscribed in public schools. According to the Supreme Court, students' freedom of expression can be restricted if it would cause significant disruption. So the teacher would not necessarily be denying you your rights as an American, especially in your case: your religious views are so strident that I can't imagine that your expression of them wouldn't cause a disruption. Petty personal attacks aside (and you have my apologies for my lapse of tact there), understand that no teacher is obligated to give you a soapbox and a carte blanche to talk about any subject you like just because you feel that you have the 'right' to. Chances are, you don't. As to MsLatina, it's all right to tell people about Christ, but it's important to recognize that there is a time and a place for it, and during class is neither the time nor the place. If a religious discussion comes up during a course, that is not the time for proselytization—make your feelings on the subject know, if you want to, but don't preach to your classmates. If you really feel the need to introduce other students to Christianity, that can be best achieved with an after-school club or during lunch or breaks.
So long as the stundent does not do anything to hurt no one they have the freedmon to speak and long as it is not slander. Now if the student is doing it just to be rude, then yeah the teacher does have a right to stop it, but if it is casual talk or a student giving a report to the class or something like that, then the teacher cannot pick and choose and deny them their right. Now if it is off topic or not within the guide line set, then yeah.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:28 pm
rockmanx I do understand the need to maintain order but the Supreme Courts job is not to make rules, that is Congress. Students today still can protest in school. My dad said his school protested one day by all the students walking out and sat in front of the school. They didn't do nothing phsycal other then that. If they don't agree with something, then they have the right. True, but they do interpret the rules, and they have interpreted the first amendment to have certain limitations (ex. No yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater'). In schools, student's first amendment rights can be limited if there is evidence that their exercising those rights would cause substantial interference with school discipline. Now, whether discussion of religion would create said interference depends on when and where it takes place; sometimes it could be considered disruptive (perhaps during class), sometimes not (such as during a break or at lunch). In other words, it's all very situational, but the fact that students' freedom of expression is being curtailed in some contexts is not necessarily a violation of the First Amendment as it has been interpreted by the courts. As to student walkouts, that very much meets the definition of 'disruptive', and a school would be well within their rights to take disciplinary action after the fact. It's not unusual for students participating in walkouts to be marked absent without permission for whatever classes they missed that day, and schools are well within their rights to do that. The school can't interfere with that sort of [removed](since it would require physical coercion to break up a walkout) but that doesn't mean that consequences will not be forthcoming if a student breaks school policy. That, however, is a much different scenario than just talking about religion in school.
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:36 pm
Well....
My father always told me to think outside of the box.
Me and thrashmetaljunkie are startin a christian website
And my answer to you would be....
Dont stuff your beliefes down peoples throats,if they dont want to beleave then dont beleave
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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:37 pm
MagisterofJesusChrist hold to thy faith, I've had to stand for it in religion class multiple times, and almost ALL my friends are athiests, and they're VERY good at debating! but I must hold mine own! for my Lord JESUS CHRIST! AMEN TO THAT I failed a class because I stood up and challenged the teacher! Lol And I won the debate!
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:46 pm
MsLatina Well in school they make us like shut our mouths or we'll die during class. So sometime the being religious subject will come up when a teacher says it but that will probably be just about it because "it could offend somebody". Plus nobody really wants to talk about it. And then when I go to my youth group at Church, they tell us that we should go out there and tell people about it, about Christ. How is this possible question I suggest you read Romans chapter thirteen the first part. There's a time and place to spread the word about Christ and your view points. At the same time though you should be respectful of other people and their views and beliefs.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:47 pm
rockmanx MsLatina Well in school they make us like shut our mouths or we'll die during class. So sometime the being religious subject will come up when a teacher says it but that will probably be just about it because "it could offend somebody". Plus nobody really wants to talk about it. And then when I go to my youth group at Church, they tell us that we should go out there and tell people about it, about Christ. How is this possible question
Personaly, I would have to my teacher that they were breaking the law and dyning my right as an American.Wrong. If your triumping over someone else's freedom of speech and rights then you can't and they can fight you back as well. Your dad can go up there all he wants but that doesn't mean they're in the right. When you're at school you HAVE to follow the school rules whether it's a government school (public) or a private school. Rules are rules.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:49 pm
Dizzy Rydell That's just in class. most of my teacher's dont really care if you mention christianity or anything, because we dont care that anyone else can mention if theyre muslim or buddhist or jewish or whatever they may be. If you start arguing about it or something, is when they care... so if your teachers dont want you to talk about it, they can only stop you in class... Talk at lunch... or if you have off hours, like my school... or any time when teachers dont hold maximum power of you. and were under 18, and in school. we have no rights ^ Just because you're under eighteen doesn't mean you don't have rights. You still do but you have to keep in mind the situation as well. I read recently a story about a girl who was a high school student on her basketball team and everytime before they would go do a game the group would do the Lord's Prayer and the coach made this one girl who was an athiest. She was respectful and denied being a part of it and they benched her and later kicked her off the team because she wouldn't do the Lord's Prayer. I haven't heard though what happened though with the case. So while you do have rights my whole point is it just depends on the situation.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:51 pm
Cometh The Inquisitor In all honesty, the best ways to reach people about Christ is not through preaching or evangelising, it is simply living a christian lifestyle with christian morals and loving everybody. I've seen that that can do loads more than any preacher. Very good point! If people see you behave differently then their peers perhaps they'd be curious as to why if they don't already know and be interested. Plus you can also see if you have permission to pass out flyers or hang flyers around the school before and after school hours to religious events or try to see if you can start up a club that can meet at the school after hours. When I was in high school we had clubs and they met once a week during home room and did official business and they choose when to meet whether before or after school. There's lots of ways to share Jesus but still be respectful of other people and mindful of their rights and freewill.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:54 pm
rockmanx I do understand the need to maintain order but the Supreme Courts job is not to make rules, that is Congress. Students today still can protest in school. My dad said his school protested one day by all the students walking out and sat in front of the school. They didn't do nothing phsycal other then that. If they don't agree with something, then they have the right.
So long as the stundent does not do anything to hurt no one they have the freedmon to speak and long as it is not slander. Now if the student is doing it just to be rude, then yeah the teacher does have a right to stop it, but if it is casual talk or a student giving a report to the class or something like that, then the teacher cannot pick and choose and deny them their right. Now if it is off topic or not within the guide line set, then yeah. Yes it is the job of Congress to do rules but it's the Surpreme Courts job to uphold the rules and state what is Constitutional and what is against the Constitution. So the Surpreme Court has the say and you can always challenge it in Court or try to do so in Congress. And why are you protesting? That's what should count. Are you protesting to have the right to force your religious beliefs everywhere and onto everyone? In my opinion when you do that you're really very self-consceious of your faith and you don't really have that much faith if you have to have it everywhere. And what you just said is pretty much what the other person said to you and you're repeating what they already said. There is a time and place and in the end the teachers and authority of the school set the rules of the said school. If it's a public school they have to follow the law.
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