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 Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:18 pm
Hello, everyone! I have a question today about bodily domain and the farreaching consequences to it if abortion is made illegal.
First of all, this is not an attack on pro-lifers, but simply an idea that has been mulling about in my mind for a long time.
Currently, many states have laws that make it mandatory for the parents of a teen to be notified if she has an abortion.
So, let's say that abortion is made illegal in the US.
In the event of a ban, would it be under the parent's jurisdiction if the teenager is to become pregnant or not?
Let me explain more clearly:
Let's say that Mr. and Mrs. Smith have a teenage daughter, but they cannot have anymore children for various reasons due to Mrs. Smith's fertility. Could Mr. Smith, technically, demand his daughter to have sex with someone (or purchase semen from a sperm bank and implant it into his daughter) to make her pregnant and then use the offspring from there?
What about fertility clinics? Could parents technically force their children to become pregnant as surrogates and/or adopt the babies away to friends, family members, and others who are willing to pay for a freshly born (and most likely white due to the sheer demand for white newborns) baby?
Technically, if abortion is made illegal, parents can reap many many thousands of dollars in this kind of practice, even though it is technically illegal, however, keeping their teens pregnant is NOT illegal, due to the legality behind the illegalization of abortion.
Plus, considering that squirting sperm into an unconscious or sleeping teenager is not technically "rape" as it was not "sex" which is usually what people define as rape.
What would the implications for bodily domain be?
What would the implications for underage teenagers be? Would they be exploited by parents? Would it be easier for abusive men to impregnate and therefore create a "bargaining" chip through a child?
Please discuss!
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:34 pm
If a parent(s) forced his or her daughter to become pregnant, that would be tantamount to child abuse and he/she could and should very easily lose custody of her. All the girl would have to do would be to contact child protective agency and they would intervene. Now say that she was made pregnant, then she later reported it and there was no exception under the law for rape, then yes she would have to carry the baby to birth.
The connection between mandatory notification laws and forcible pregnancy is very weak. Generally children have to get their parents permission to go through a procedure medical or otherwise, but rarely are children forced to unless they are too young to understand the situation(ex. medical emergency).
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Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 4:44 pm
If banned, I highly doubt most parents would force their daughter into pregnancy, exspecially since most wouldn't want their teenage daughter to get pregnant at all.
I highly doubt we would have to worry about that since it's illegal to force them into it.
There is more chances of rape (forced sex) cases then forced pregnancy cases.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:06 am
sachiko_sohma If banned, I highly doubt most parents would force their daughter into pregnancy, exspecially since most wouldn't want their teenage daughter to get pregnant at all. You're wrong in that assumption. Unless you can provide proof and not your personal view, it's not correct. There are bound to be many parents who want their teenage daughter to get pregnant for various reasons. It could be that they want a grandchild, it could be that they want the money it'd bring in from the government. It could be that the father wishes to have control over her by impregnating her himself. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean we don't ened to worry about it. Rape is illegal, but we need to worry about it. Murder is illegal, but we need to worry about it. Crime in general is illegal, but we need to worry about it. Saying something is illegal, so we don't need to worry is pathetic and stupid.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:02 am
MipsyKitten sachiko_sohma If banned, I highly doubt most parents would force their daughter into pregnancy, exspecially since most wouldn't want their teenage daughter to get pregnant at all. You're wrong in that assumption. Unless you can provide proof and not your personal view, it's not correct. There are bound to be many parents who want their teenage daughter to get pregnant for various reasons. It could be that they want a grandchild, it could be that they want the money it'd bring in from the government. It could be that the father wishes to have control over her by impregnating her himself. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean we don't ened to worry about it. Rape is illegal, but we need to worry about it. Murder is illegal, but we need to worry about it. Crime in general is illegal, but we need to worry about it. Saying something is illegal, so we don't need to worry is pathetic and stupid. Sure we'd need to worry about it, but that doesn't mean that it is justification for keeping another thing legal. This... Idea... Is mind boggling... Sure that might happen. It might happen now too, though. Since it is illegal and would be illegal to do that, why would it be more likely for someone to do it when abortion is illegal? If they are willing to commit that illegal act, for whatever reason, surely they are willing to illegally keep their child from getting an abortion by whatever means. But on the flip side, with abortion legal, child predators are able to get away with more, because, if their victim gets pregnant, they can just go to the clinic and force an abortion on her. There have been reports of it happening. And that seems a lot more plausible, to me, then parents forcing their child to get pregnant.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:19 pm
I.Am But on the flip side, with abortion legal, child predators are able to get away with more, because, if their victim gets pregnant, they can just go to the clinic and force an abortion on her. There have been reports of it happening. And that seems a lot more plausible, to me, then parents forcing their child to get pregnant. Because someone who is willing to rape a child is obviously unwilling to perform a DIY abortion on her...
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:48 pm
Shard Aerliss I.Am But on the flip side, with abortion legal, child predators are able to get away with more, because, if their victim gets pregnant, they can just go to the clinic and force an abortion on her. There have been reports of it happening. And that seems a lot more plausible, to me, then parents forcing their child to get pregnant. Because someone who is willing to rape a child is obviously unwilling to perform a DIY abortion on her... Touche. But that negates what I said how? So now, when it's legal, the abortions are safer and less likely to have any sort of complication that would alert the parents to something being up. Not to mention I'm mostly talking about *****, in which the rapist probably doesn't want to hurt the girl either way and is thus less likely to perform a dangerous DIY when it's illegal then they are to take the girl into a legal clinic.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:56 pm
Touche. But that negates what I said how? So now, when it's legal, the abortions are safer and less likely to have any sort of complication that would alert the parents to something being up. Not to mention I'm mostly talking about *****, in which the rapist probably doesn't want to hurt the girl either way and is thus less likely to perform a dangerous DIY when it's illegal then they are to take the girl into a legal clinic. Any reports you could dig up on this happening? The way I understand it; it is very difficult to obtain an abortion in America even when you are over 18. When you are under age it is even more difficult, some states requiring parental permission whilst others simply (hah!) require that the parents be informed. Unless the ****** was the father it is difficult to see how it would not bring suspicion on a man taking a young girl to a clinic, and even then suspicion may be brought upon a father.
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