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Please take the time to read my story before you post. Please also note that these are just my feelings and opinions based on my experiences and knowledge of the Bible and are not in any way, meant to insult, provoke, mock, or hurt anyone. They're just my opinions - no, obviously you don't have to agree with them.

Okay, I've been a Christian for about six or seven years now. I really love God, with all my heart, mind, body, and soul.
I've been reading the Bible and going to Church for about that long too.
When I came into highschool, I was challenged a lot in my faith. But challenges are good - these helped me to grow.

But I graduated this past May. And when I graduated, I was still uncertain of some things.

However, about a few weeks ago, I decided to go ahead and just accept the idea of being bisexual. Because sometimes I feel like I have a crush on a friend that is a girl, yet I'm mostly attracted to boys.

So things went fine. I mean, I felt that God still loved me and cared for me, you know? Because I felt that doctrine just wasn't as important as faith. And I still do. I think you can be gay/lesbian/bisexual, and a Christian.

But I don't know why, but I just felt like it was wrong, for me personally, like it's not what God wants for me.

Also, I just can't, personally ignore the verses I've read in the Bible, concerning sexuality. I know people have a lot of reasons why they think those verses don't matter, or have been plugged in there or misused, or that the Bible has been changed, or that certain Bibles are wrong, but to me, it just feels like those verses are true. And that all my reasoning against them is just a desperation to feel guiltless about a feeling. And I don't like the idea that I'm twisting the Bible around so I'll feel like it's okay for me to accept something that I feel, deep inside, is wrong.

I guess I should explain also, that I feel that sexuality is something developed and not something you are born with. I'm sorry, but no matter what chromosomes say, I completely disagree with that. And I disagree with the idea that God would make anyone gay. In my opinion, God would never put anyone in a position where they were forced to feel a way that was sinful.

Of course, you can't help what you feel. But you can help what you think on, and what you do.

I mean, I think that my crushes on girls are just my feelings of love and friendship for them, because whenever I've thought of pursuing anything more with these friends, I have never really been able to feel much for them physically, at least, certainly not in the way I do for guys.

But I don't want any of you to think that I'm judging you if you are gay/lesbian/or bisexual and a Christian, it's not that I think you can't be. I believe you can - because God loves us even when we sin, and if it's a sin, I believe that He would still love us anyway. I just wanted to share my story with you and what I felt God showed me.

I don't know what's right for you, but I feel like, for me, that God just didn't make me that way, and that He wants me to have an attraction for guys, and not girls.

I too think it's wrong, because the Bible says so. I don't know if it says it directly, but love can lead to the certain sin the Bible says we should not commit. I do have some issues with homosexuality (not me personally, just the concept and view on it) due to my liking of yaoi that I had in the past. I do not think God made any people be born gay and for the same reasons that you believe he didn't.
On the sexuallity topic, I find myself strongerly attached to men, except these men arn't real. It's a bit odd, but I ten to like anime men more than regualr men. Sure, I know a few cute guys at school but I never think about the them the same way I think about them the same way as real boys. I don't know if thats good or bad.

I fully agree 3nodding

I should be thanking you, for saying everything that I wanted to, and putting it in better terms than I could have heart

I think this issue is addressed a little too lightly. One (as a Christian) can't just pick what they want out of the Bible, and leave the rest.
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1) Genesis 19 is about men wanting to have sex together. verse 13b is spoken by and angel, and says: "'The outcry against this place is so great it has reached the LORD, and he has sent us to destroy is.'"

2) Leviticus 18:22 states (God is speaking to Moses): "'Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin."

3) Romans 1:18-32 talks about how people turned away from God. When they followed Him, they had normal relationships. Once they turned away from God, they started acting gay (no God lead to homosexuality). verses 26b-32 "Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty that they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do the things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too."
That's not saying that gay people are horrible people, but it is saying that things like that come from ungodly people. They can turn around, just like you can with any other sin.


Notes:

1) (Quoted word-by-word from my Bible.)
Is the gay lifestyle really wrong? Shows like Will & Grace, Boy Meets Boy, and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy would say no. Instead, they would argue that homosexuality is "an alternative lifestlye"--one that you hear about more and more on TV and also in the courts.
For example, in 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decided that denying same-sex couples the right to marriage was unconstitutional. They also decided that the definition needed to change from union of a man and a woman to the "voluntary union of two persons as spouses, to the exclusion of all others."
By now, you might wonder what the real scoop is. In the face of changing legislature, has God's view of homosexuality also changed?
Here's the short answer: No.
Now here's a longer one: in Romans 1:18-32, the apostle Paul has particularly hash words for those who engage in idolatry and homosexuality. Men and women who practice homosexuality go against God's design for sexuality and will experience consequences for their actions.
Two important messages need to be given on the subject of homosexuality. One is for out society, where biblical notions of right and wrong are sometimes viewed as outdated. That message is that some lifestyles are not acceptable "alternatives."
The second message is for Christians. While homosexuality is a sin, it is not the unforgivable sin. (See Mark 3:29.) God loves homosexuals just as much as he loves other people who do wrong. Jesus' death on the cross paid for the sin of homosexuality, just as it paid for the sins of lying, greed, lust, hate, and pride.
Homosexuals, like all wrongdoers, stand guilty before God. If that were the whole story, there would be now hope. The great message of Romans--and of the entire Bible--is that Jesus can set us free, regardless of what we've done wrong.
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I only preach the truth.

You're quite right, and quite hypocritical. Watch closely.



Ezekiel 16:48-50
48 As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done.

49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.


You may say that "detestable" referred to homosexual sex, but the hebrew word is "to'ebah", referring to treason. Most likely referred to idols. It's clear here that Sodom's sin was disrespect towards guests. In addition, angels don't have genders. Duh.




Leviticus 18:22 and 20:12 both referred to male temple prostition, a pagan practice in those days. God wanted the Israelites to distances themselves from these people. In addition, they were refuted by the passage in the new testament, Colossians 2:13-17.



13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.


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SonnyBabe

3) Romans 1:18-32 talks about how people turned away from God. When they followed Him, they had normal relationships. Once they turned away from God, they started acting gay (no God lead to homosexuality). verses 26b-32 "Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty that they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do the things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and have no mercy. They know God's justice requires those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too."
That's not saying that gay people are horrible people, but it is saying that things like that come from ungodly people. They can turn around, just like you can with any other sin.

Some context would be nice.

Romans 1:14-17
"14I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome.

16I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 17For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[c] just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."[d]"

Romans 2 (too long to post)


When we look at the passage in its full context, it's plain that this is a condemnation of hypocrites, not homosexuals.

FURTHERMORE. The verses 26 and 27 were simply an aside. The direct punishment God gave out, abandoning them to wickedness, came as a result on refusing to acknowledge Him. Check the list of depravities he gave them over to. Is homosexuality mentioned? No.

This passage is meant to show a church what they will become like if they continue on their current path. It is a parable, and as such, it is the moral of the story that matters; Don't be a hypocrite. Would we take the parable of the man sowing seeds as instructions to throw seeds on the road before the field?

SonnyBabe

Notes:

1) (Quoted word-by-word from my Bible.)
Is the gay lifestyle really wrong? Shows like Will & Grace, Boy Meets Boy, and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy would say no. Instead, they would argue that homosexuality is "an alternative lifestlye"--one that you hear about more and more on TV and also in the courts.
For example, in 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decided that denying same-sex couples the right to marriage was unconstitutional. They also decided that the definition needed to change from union of a man and a woman to the "voluntary union of two persons as spouses, to the exclusion of all others."

I highly doubt your bible mentions W&G, BMB, or QEFTSG.

Our nation is bsaed on secular teachings, not any one religion, as proven by the Treaty of Tripoli. As such, it is only right that they ignore religious pressure when forming laws.

SonnyBabe

By now, you might wonder what the real scoop is. In the face of changing legislature, has God's view of homosexuality also changed?
Here's the short answer: No.
Now here's a longer one: in Romans 1:18-32, the apostle Paul has particularly hash words for those who engage in idolatry and homosexuality. Men and women who practice homosexuality go against God's design for sexuality and will experience consequences for their actions.
Two important messages need to be given on the subject of homosexuality. One is for out society, where biblical notions of right and wrong are sometimes viewed as outdated. That message is that some lifestyles are not acceptable "alternatives."
The second message is for Christians. While homosexuality is a sin, it is not the unforgivable sin. (See Mark 3:29.) God loves homosexuals just as much as he loves other people who do wrong. Jesus' death on the cross paid for the sin of homosexuality, just as it paid for the sins of lying, greed, lust, hate, and pride.
Homosexuals, like all wrongdoers, stand guilty before God. If that were the whole story, there would be now hope. The great message of Romans--and of the entire Bible--is that Jesus can set us free, regardless of what we've done wrong.
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You're right, No he didn't, No they won't, The first message violates the constitution, while the second is wrong, God MADE homosexuals, It's not a sin, we are not guilty, And you're right on the last count that Jesus can save anyone.


ANY QUESTIONS.

I just systematically shredded every verse in the bible pertaining to homosexuality. How can you still say that it clearly states it's a sin, and that there are no arguments about it?

As for Genesis, woman was obviously necessary for reproduction, and it was therefore logical to make her. That does not mean woman is the only option.