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No. Just no. Unlike comic book Superman, who I know almost nothing about, I've watched a lot of all of the various Superman cartoons. Goku, at SSJ3 at the very least, could pwn him. Lets look at this a bit closer...

1.I haven't seen the episode so I can't coment on this. I do agree however that cartoon Superman is fine in space.

2.This one I remmber. They were shown running around the world in a circle overand over again so fast that they created a blur arround the world, much like Gotenks. I still wounder how the flash didn't run into anything, or at least get slown down avoiding things...but I digress. Anyway, Superman and Flash were about even,and cartoon Flash apparently can't go FTL without breaking the time barrier. And since Goku is usualy stated to be as fast as you can get without going further than light thus breaking the time barrier, wouldn't that make them even? And that's being genorous. Keep in mind that that was just a race in a straight line. I don't reacall cartoon Superman ever going even faster than the eye can see during a fight.

3.That's pre Super sajin Goku you're talking about, Goku's a lot tougher now. Just how tough is hard to say, tough.
4.Destroying skyscrapers isn't that hard. Wimpy freakn' advent children Sephiroth can cut one in half without hardly trying. As for Goku, he's not well known for abusing inadimate objects. I don't seem to recall anyone in DBZ ever trying to punch down a scysraper, tough they have been able to destrpy them via other methods(like Buu blowing on them). And what's your basis for saying that captan marvel was stronger than Goku is?

5.Mountain destroying blast aren't very impressive in DBZ. The kriptonite would make it more impressive feat if and only if Superman was seriously drained by it. Kryptonite resistance isn't going to help at all in this fight, since Goku isn't going to have any kryptonite.

6.Goku and Buu's fight also shook the planet they were on, as did his first fight with Vageta, tough that was due to the energy that Vageta was eminating, not shockwaves. Hitting someone trough seven buildings is impressive, tough I don't think it's something Goku can't handle.

Don't get me wrong, cartoon Superman is very powerful, more powerful than most people give him credit for, but he's just not powerful enough to beat Goku.

I'm always up to a challenge, if I wasn't why would I be in this guild? And so it continues...

If the fight moved to space and we're using the Manga Goku, Goku would probably lose, but in the anime Sajins can apparently breath in space, as shown by Vageta and Nappa and by Bardoc. The problem is getting the fight into space. It's hard to hurl someone like Goku into space. If Superman tryed to grab him and trying to fly him into space Goku would most likely overpower him or blast him off by firing extreem ammounts of ki in all directions like Vageta likes to do. If Superman tried to throw or punch him into space, Goku has the ability to stop his momentum in mid, presumably by creating a cussion if Ki behind him. And even if he was in space, it is said that a human can survive for about 2 seconds in space, and Goku can hold his breath for a long time. That gives him enough time to IT back to the planet unless Superman immideatley punches him in the stommach and winds him.

It's genorous considering how slow superman mioves in fights. 3nodding Also recall that the last time Goku tryed to rush from one place to another was right before his fight with Frezza(pre SSJ), after that he always just uses IT, which getshim there instantly.

Long range probably goes to Superman, tough I'm still sceptical that he could outrace SSJ3 Goku. Close range goes to Goku by leaps and bounds. If superman was realy suposed to be extreemly fast in battle they would at least blur him like they do the flash.

First form Frezza goes arround blowing up planets with his finger. Goku can most likely take and definitly dish out planet busting attacks, most likely even solar system busting Kamehamehas.

Superman takes a long time to wear down, but so does Goku. I don't thing Superman has ever been in a fight as long as the Frezza battle. Tough I'd have to say that Supermans endurance is some ammount better than Goku's, it's not enough to make up for what he lacks in every other catagory. This also depends on what time of day it is. Superman gets tired alot faster at night when not getting direct energy from the sun. Tough I still think Goku could win in the daytime.

As Omnipotent Trevor stated a Saiyan would only be able to stay in space for a brief period of time WIch I'll now be generous and put at thirty minutes and even then time would get shaved off with Superman's punches and even more time would be stripped from Goku is Superman deliverd a punch to the gut.

I really can't see Goku just completely off the top overpowering Superman that would most likely result in a grapple wich Superman has more experience in than Goku. All of those ki blasts Goku is fireing would be intercepted by Superman's heat vision blasts and they would cancel each other out. I do agree that Goku would be able to stop himself from being punched into space.

Those movements are slowed down. The creators only gave the flash a blur because thas his trade mark. In almost every picture of the flash you'd find he'd have a blur about him . It's kind of like a signature pose fot him.

When Superman wasnt to move fast he does have a nice blur to him. They take that out to make the fights look more dramatic. Poeple like to actually be able to see these muscle bound guys man handleing each other around. Thats why the fights where slowed down in sich a way.

Long range we can agree goes to Superman because hes shown more use of it where as Goku tends to only fight close range. Supes however is al range. Yea he got there just in time to see Vegeta beaten to a pulp also it took him about 1-3 episodes to even arrive on the scene if I recall correctly. Brainiac can also destroy planets with the beams he fires and Superman can push those back simply by using his chest.

A.M.A.Z.O was a Solar System buster and he only managed to knock the wind out of Superman. And would Goku really us an attack of that scale just to win a fight? I'm pretty sure he'd know that the resulting shockwave would be endangering the majority of the population on earth.

Superman never really had to fight for that long and ends the fights as quickly as possible to prevent casualties from occuring. Goku's Saiyan blood tends to make him drag fights out for the enjoyment of it all. If they where in Space day or night really does't matter because the sun is just there. I don't recall Superman becomeing any weaker when not direcrly in the sun. Hes faught a couple of times a night and won. Check the episode Doomsday Sanction for proof.

That's because they were stupid. Comic book Superman pwns Goku.
Superman was in space without a spacesuit even in the old cartoons on occasion, and no cartoon version of Superman is anywhere near comic Superman in any battle stat.

Right, Back to the debate...

Boss rabit did happen in the Manga, but I think Goku was holdin his breath. Bardoc Vageta and Nappa on the other hand were all talking in space, even laughing, which pretty much means they're fine in a vaccume.

Oh, I'm sure Goku wouldn't be able to survive 30 minutes in space. I'd give him 5 minutes tops without interference, mabey a few more considering the boss rabit incident. I think that SSJ3 Goku could overpower Superman without to much trouble, but I have no way of proving that. Goku's a pretty well rounded martial artist, I'm pretty sure he's not bad at grapples, plus he doesn't have to, he can just smash his head into Superman or something. It doesn't takes much to dazze Superman. And you missunderstand me about the blast, I'm talking about one huge omnidirectional blast, similar to vageta's fimal flash only weaker or without the killing the user drawback. Superman can't block it because his lazzer eyebeams are uni directional, two directions(bi-directional?) if he makes himself crosseyed. Plus if Superman was holding Goku at the time it would be at point blank and hard to stop. And you nver said a counter argumant to my just intant transmission back idea.

Oh, I realize the importance of the slow down, it's used a lot in DB as well, otherwise you'd never see anything that happens in their fights. But usualy the series takes the iniative to point out that the character is moving extreemly fast when they fight. Not to mention that Superman doesn't usualy seem cappable of overwelming relatively slow enimies with his speed like Goku has. You have a good point about the flash thing, tough.

Goku got out of his rejuvanation chamber after the Frezza vs. Vageta fight was well under way, if I reacall. You also have to remmber bolth that we don't know the size of Namek and that Goku was much slower back then, and he wasn't even super sajin. And I still have yet to see Superman do anything impressive in cole range speed.

What cartoon series was the A.M.A.Z.O. in anyway? Not that I don't belive you, I'm just curious. Also superman has been know to get badly injured by less powerful things. And SSJ3 Goku's Kamehameha is presumably at least twice as powerful as a solar system destroying blast, since SSJ2 Gohan can generate solar system dstroying blasts when tired and with one good arm. Also Goku can cotain the energy so that it does little harm to the planet. Gokan's Kamehameha and most likely Vagteta's final flash had solar system destroying power, butt all they made were big craters.

Goku has gotten better at not drawing out battles unnessisarily later on in the series. True the sun is always out in space but I dout much of this fight is going to be in space. Superman is still strong at night because hestrores his energy, but the lack of direct Sunlight means he eventualy starts to run low on energy and starts to weaken

Oh, not this again... 0 =;

Yes. People in Kyle's Thread said Superman TAS couldn't beat Goku. I don't think JLU or even Justice League was around at that point either..not entirely sure. the thread was Binned and redone several times.

..maybe it was in Justice League and JLU as opposed to Superman TAS.
..could be Retcon of Ignorance, the fact that superman used a Spacesuit slipped they're minds?

Goku is going to us an attack that can blow up a Solar System and endanger billions of lives in doing so? Meening this would come down to small scale attacks and who could take the most punishment.