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 Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:29 pm
I've noticed a trend, as have a few others, that honestly ED and ED razz are starting to feel like republican national conventions (likely due to the influx of uneducated youth) or at least austrian capitalist conventions! We have all been noted on the "Gaia debate" scene for our solidarity and knowledge. But all things aside I was presented with an idea.
Why does not the NCS make a guild (we have insane financial resources) where all progressive forces on Gaia can meet, interact, and post up the URLs to threads which concern the progressive movement as a whole, not just socialism and communism, and where we can meet with these already progressive forces and spread class consciousness to them.
I was thinking we ought to contact various other groups (including other communist guilds- not that they arn't most NCS already) and discuss this possibility.
So firstly, I would like for members here to discuss wether or not this is a plausible or good idea.
Secondly, if you think it is a good idea, we need to compile a list of "contacted parties" so as not to spam various guilds and progressives on Gaia with numerous NCS requests.
Thirdly, if you do wish to contribute to this hold off for now, but it would be helpful if we knew how much we were willing to get right from the start.
In doing this we will give ourselves the oppertunity to spread class consciousness to the most oppressed and most progressive forces here, and we can only hope that this would translate into RL activism and the further development of class consciousness.
I will contact various guilds that I am in already and have the ability to post within to see if they are interested, I'll maintain a list here.
Contacted Parties
The Gaian Gay Straight Alliance
The Gaia Anti-Fascist Guild
The Gaia Anti-Racism Guild
The People's Progressive Party
The Gaian Communist Party
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:36 pm
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:54 pm
i thought that IS what the ncs is all about... ooops...
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:58 pm
In part. But being able to reach a broader and more diverse group of people may be a good thing as well.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:59 pm
It is, but the problem is that most people are affraid of the "Communist/Socialist" label, and we have become predominantly about the specific discussion of socialism. In this new sort of neutral ground we can reach a larger audience while not having new applicants being scared off by the stigma attached to "Communism/Socialism", or our high powered debates :p
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:03 am
REDGallenger It is, but the problem is that most people are affraid of the "Communist/Socialist" label, and we have become predominantly about the specific discussion of socialism. In this new sort of neutral ground we can reach a larger audience while not having new applicants being scared off by the stigma attached to "Communism/Socialism", or our high powered debates :p Right on with the being afraid of the label. I definately started off that way. Kept defending communism in the ED forums while trying to tell people that I wasn't a communist myself. I've certainly come a long way since then, but it was still recent enough...
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:08 am
in other words, you wish to create a front group for ncs activities, pretending to ave a larger audience, when really, all the people who would normally be atracted to us, already are with us, and more seeing how you(gallenger) recruit people.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:20 am
Or perhaps opening dialogue with people who share similar ideas and yet for reasons of their own will not voice them. People who agree with our goals, but at the same time do not as of yet associate themselves with the terms 'communist' or 'socialist'.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 12:57 am
you will find that most people would agree with the statement 'from each according to his abilities. to each according to his need' in principle.
doing anything about it however...
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:37 am
REDGallenger It is, but the problem is that most people are affraid of the "Communist/Socialist" label, and we have become predominantly about the specific discussion of socialism. In this new sort of neutral ground we can reach a larger audience while not having new applicants being scared off by the stigma attached to "Communism/Socialism", or our high powered debates :p Gracchvs you will find that most people would agree with the statement 'from each according to his abilities. to each according to his need' in principle. doing anything about it however...
Well, you can always talk about solutions and stuff. And you can tell people that aren't left-ish more about Communism/Socialism in a calm way.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:55 am
That sounds like a good idea. We do need to start getting more people educated beyond the communist label, which haunts even those who fit the description of "communist" themselves.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:30 am
I like the idea, its feasible and easily accomplished. A bunch of lefties can really get something done
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:34 pm
Quote: I like the idea, its feasible and easily accomplished. A bunch of lefties can really get something done right, and when was that? Quote: That sounds like a good idea. We do need to start getting more people educated beyond the communist label, which haunts even those who fit the description of "communist" themselves. what is needed is not so much education of those others who dont know what communism actually is, what is needed is first to educate those who call themselves communist, as so many self proclaimed communists aren't.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:17 pm
It's an interesting idea, and could have real potential. I think a problem that we've had on ED and ED razz is the fact that our debaters can sometimes do their jobs too well. We already face this stigmata, but instead of really finding ways to decrease it whilst we debate, instead we tend to take a rather routine approach to the whole thing. Anyone who debates for the side off communist and socialist ideals knows that the best strategy is to quickly seize the initiative and go on the offensive. It is the best defense, after all. Unfortunately, while this may mean that we're actively crushing our main opponent, we're also fueling the belief that communists and socialists are inherently... well, Stalinists. (Allegedly Stalinists are good at debating. Who knew?)
Perhaps portraying ourselves next to others that would be more readily accepted, yet who align themselves along the same basic thought process, we can also reduce our villain image.
Because, after all, we can't forget what people have been brought up believing. People see us on the forums and they don't think progressive, well-meaning, etc. No, we're communists and, thus, we are the enemy.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:24 pm
Gracchvs Quote: I like the idea, its feasible and easily accomplished. A bunch of lefties can really get something done right, and when was that? ok, correction, they have the potential to get something done
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