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 Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:06 pm
And hopefully I can find the right words to say it, it was an idea, not a full sentence or anything. To the USA kids here--and I figured this would be the place to post this, since we're all the type who actually care: Ever embarrassed on the behalf of our country? Tired of our (apparent) reputation as the ones who want everyone to be like us? Sick of our seeming inability to accept others? Considering leaving the country? Go ahead. Have fun. I'd join you if I could, but it's gonna be a while... But maybe instead of hiding from the US of A, the EU or EE.UU., Amerika, as you will likely call it and seeking another citizenship, maybe you should come back. Fix it. A lofty goal indeed, but if enough people give a damn, then maybe our reputation can change. We won't be the ones who insist on using English everywhere we go, never learning another culture at all; maybe they'll start noticing that at least a good portion are making the effort. The government won't represent the xenophobic masses, but instead the understanding. And this has come out far too long and misphrased, but I have no way to fix it. It just took me 15 minutes to come up with the words for a 3-second epiphany. Dave But if everyone who thinks like you leaves, then the "fascist regime" will never end because there won't be anyone left to oppose it. Just because you don't like the way this country is run doesn't mean you should leave. A really good sumup of what I'm trying to say. Thanks, Dave!
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:15 am
This belongs in the Culture subforum. ^^;;;
I'll move it there soon.
At any rate, I have no idea how exactly one goes around fixing a government. Politics aren't really my cup of tea. sweatdrop
Besides, I seem to have gotten it into my head that nobody cares about my opinion; and the truth is, nobody really does. I get walked into, run into, sat on, asked where I am, marked absent for things I am there for...I, for the most part, don't even exist. Why would I expect anyone to listen to me?
I'm afraid I have a rather cynical view of the world...
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Eccentric Iconoclast Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:52 am
Plenty of people understand, and try, but they're unheard of, as a large proportion of people might dissagree with them.
It's strange how much of the media that is exported to the world from the US, is highly critical of it's own government. But Media is mostly controlled in 'blue' states, and we don't realise that a majority might actually support the things the US are currently standing for.
Um... I forgot where I was going.
Not American.
I don't like the American Government, just as I don't like my own, but people are not Governments, though that was the original intention. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:19 am
i understand. but america = lazy...trust me. i have winey class mates in regular class and in french class...and no matter what they always want the easy way out...
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:01 am
I like Americans and America, but I do indeed dislike the American Government...l
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:44 pm
Eccentric Iconoclast This belongs in the Culture subforum. ^^;;; I'll move it there soon. At any rate, I have no idea how exactly one goes around fixing a government. Politics aren't really my cup of tea. sweatdrop Besides, I seem to have gotten it into my head that nobody cares about my opinion; and the truth is, nobody really does. I get walked into, run into, sat on, asked where I am, marked absent for things I am there for...I, for the most part, don't even exist. Why would I expect anyone to listen to me? I'm afraid I have a rather cynical view of the world... Oh, sorry! And I get that (invisibility), but I think maybe people on the whole are going deaf/blind. One morning, I came downstairs and my mother was sitting in the chair (note--she does talk very loudly, but she doesn't have much hearing problem if any). TV was on, but muted. I say, "'morning". No response. I come into the room, lean in front of the chair. She's awake and all that. "Hey..?" No response. I go sit in teh other chair for about an hour, and then leave the room and go back upstairs. A while later she comes up, wondering why I hadn't gotten up yet.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:54 pm
WellzY Plenty of people understand, and try, but they're unheard of, as a large proportion of people might dissagree with them. [...] I don't like the American Government, just as I don't like my own, but people are not Governments, though that was the original intention. rolleyes People weren't governments in the intention; merely to have power in the goverment. But regardless, there is still some influence. My point was mainly that so many people "see the light", so to speak, and decide to leave as soon as they can afford to, and it seemed that that's probably helping keep the others as a majority.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:12 pm
I am rather embarrassed of our country, and I sometimes wish that I was born somewhere else. @____@
I don't like the American Government. What so ever. xP When I compare it to Communist governments and such, I suppose its a bit better. But with all the secrets the American Government has...
I also don't like how American Citizens are classified as lazy and such. Annoys the crap out of me. =x
If America continues as the way it is, I may consider moving to a different country when I grow up. x____x;
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:24 pm
I don't like our reputation either, and I certainly don't want to enforce the global negative stereotype of Americans, but that doesn't have a damned thing to do with living here, so I'll stay here and enjoy the benefits of living in the United States, thanks. I don't get why people are like "ooohh, I hate the way this country is run, I hate the way we think we're the world police," etc. etc. and then somehow conclude from that they need to move.
Actually, I'd like to move elsewhere (Spain, China, Switzerland, France, Canada... anywhere, really), but not because I hate America, just because I've lived here all my life and it's starting to get boring.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:29 pm
I don't want to move some where else just because I don't like the way America's ran. xD I should've worded that better. I just want to experience different cultures and such, and along with the whole American reputation.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:20 pm
Oh...my...God...are you related to me? I feel the EXACT same way!
This country is out of control...our culture is getting filthier everyday, our people are getting stupider, our students only care about sex, drugs, and booze, and it seems like no one has respect for other cultures. Racism and discrimination is everywhere I turn, because even though we have problems, Americans think we're freakin' perfect. They think, "screw the rest of the world. We don't need 'em."
WRONG! It's so WRONG! And there's nothing I can do to change it. I'm posting in Spanish forums, chatting with hispanics, and it sucks for me to have to tell them "soy de los Estados Unidos." rolleyes When I talk to a lot of amazing people from different countries, I AM embarassed to tell them "I'm American." I'm afraid they'll think ill of me, but the thing is, I don't blame them.
I've always had this big dream of changing it all. Of being the leader of this country and reaching out to other countries, to show them I respect their people and cultures, that I have their back so everything will be cool. The prerequisite to peace is understanding and repesct. That's what Americans need to learn to do: respect other people.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:28 pm
spanishnerd99 I've always had this big dream of changing it all. Of being the leader of this country and reaching out to other countries, to show them I respect their people and cultures, that I have their back so everything will be cool. The prerequisite to peace is understanding and repesct. That's what Americans need to learn to do: respect other people. And I think we should try to stand up and try to change things instead of sitting around moping until we can get away, y'know? (I think I've rephrased this about 10 times and it still doesn't come out right. Curse my mind's lack of language! ...lol) I mean, there's only so much a handful of people can do, but it's like not voting (if you can, that is) and then complaining that you hate the President! I personally don't like Bush, wouldn't've voted for him (please don't turn this into a politics thread, this is just an example), but I'm too young to vote until next election... so I keep my comments to myself much of the time. But when I hear people who CAN vote and DIDN'T, it just irks me to think that no one even tried. I once read in a newpaper-type comic where they showed these two people talking. One said, "Man, it's too bad this guy won." The other replies, "Yeah, I knew he would win, so I didn't vote." How many people think this way? How many people who *do* respect other cultures go to live with the others instead of influencing the polls--even on issues as opposed to offices? (We're a Republic, but we're still a democratic republic) Again, I seem to be rephrasing over and over and over and... But I'm still searching for the words. I read somewhere here that someone wanted to leave as soon as possible (besides just travelling, like "leaving-leaving"), and something about it triggered the thought. If thought had a language it took like 3 words. I wish I knew how to translate them better. gonk
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:37 pm
It's not like all of the kids that say there are problems with America move out. They just say they will, it's usually no more than an empty threat. Most of those people will stay here. The minority of them that do leave, guess what? They won't make more than an insignificant difference.
I would like to at least live in another country for a while, but I don't know if I'd give up my citizenship here. I would probably miss my friends and family here. Anyway, even though our government isn't perfect and a majority of the people seem to be ignorant about other cultures(so far as my grandma telling me "Don't go to other countries, they are crazy and kill people like in that movie Hostel"......I wanted to kill people for her saying that), it's not like we have it off horribly.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:04 am
America really isn't all that bad, all things considered.
We just get kind of a bad rap because of all the shitty things our government has done over the past 200 years.
It really is nice living here, though, I think.
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Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:01 am
America was the Bees' Knees untill the Vietnam War; at least that's my opinion.
Although you didn't say it, trust me when I say that compulsary voting does not solve the problem, because you also get a bunch of people who do not care about voting, and do a Donkey Vote.
Too much mulled wine, I'm lost again.
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