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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:07 pm
As many of you are aware there is a political ideaolgy that is called a Technocracy. Now for those of you who don't know a technocracy ideology is that we will all become equal when robots take over the jobs of the working class (basicly we will all be bourgeosie). What are everybodys thoughts on this if a technocratic revolution did occur and we all became bourgeosie would that be a good thing or a bad thing ? and what about the robots would they be able to form a union and demand their rights would they even have basic worker rights ?
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:33 pm
Machines would need to be programmed with the knowledge of revolution in order to do it. Machines follow orders.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:50 pm
I might sound like a b*****d capitalist pigs, but I say that robots are our slaves and deserve to work 24 hours a day.
Communism will be achieved in the Robotic Age LATEST.
*looks at his watch*
Oh, we still have some time left
It is important not to program the robots to have feelings and a human appearance, then everything will be fine. They must be happy when they work, get recycled, or when they sacrifice themselves for us.
PS: NO marxism-leninism into Robot CPU... some hackers will do it anyway.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:11 pm
capitalism, and the classes that belong to it, that is the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, are based on surplus value.
that is, the capitalist gets the worker to do something for a set amount of time, some of which is spent paying for their own wage, the other in making profit.
how can there be exploitation of labour and therefor surplus value if noone is being exploited?
if there is no exploitation, how can there be capital? if there is no capitali, how can there be a bourgeoisie.
this will not happen under capitalism, ofor the reason i said, that is, it is impossible to make profit under that system. such a situation where humans do no manual labour, only intelectual, can only exist in a situation of communism.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:20 pm
An techno-utopia! Burgeoise free! Thus endeth the exploitation of the working masses! Sounds a bit like a science fiction novel. Oh well. In the words of a great socialist Dr. Martin Luther King JR. (yes he was a socialist) Free at last, free at last. Thank God Almighty we're free at last!
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:28 pm
no, he was a petty bourgeois reactionary-pacifist
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:20 pm
Gracchvs no, he was a petty bourgeois reactionary-pacifist That is beside the point.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:28 pm
What if we make computers so smart, we cant stop them from being self-aware? Robots that acheived sentience would need to have the same rights as us... otherwise there might be a conflict.
And what of the future? What if mankind becomes lazy and content? Dune delt with this future in Butlerian Jihad and Machine Crusade. As you might guess, it wasn't pretty. The scariest thing of all should be mankind's apathy...doom, doom ,doom dramallama
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:37 pm
Really though, machines aren't alive, and as previously stated, could not rebel unless programmed to do so. To put things into perspective a bit, do we see our computers rebelling against us now?
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:15 am
But in a future were robots do all the work, wouldn't hackers be able to cause unpresidented havoc and chaos. Consider, they hack a factory. Make it produce war machines. Hackers could conquer the future.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:57 am
Dark_Lord_Takai But in a future were robots do all the work, wouldn't hackers be able to cause unpresidented havoc and chaos. Consider, they hack a factory. Make it produce war machines. Hackers could conquer the future. Hackers nothing. The pschotic anarcho-enviromentalist would produce EMP weaponry that would annihilate all electronics in a bid to save some stupid river or tree or something throwing that area into a virtual (lol topical) abyss.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:29 am
luftwafe Dark_Lord_Takai But in a future were robots do all the work, wouldn't hackers be able to cause unpresidented havoc and chaos. Consider, they hack a factory. Make it produce war machines. Hackers could conquer the future. Hackers nothing. The pschotic anarcho-enviromentalist would produce EMP weaponry that would annihilate all electronics in a bid to save some stupid river or tree or something throwing that area into a virtual (lol topical) abyss. That could happen to, I was just paraphrasing what kind of happened in the books I stated before, for those who waven't read them. These are all bad things but if mankinds only labor is mental what prevents us from becoming lazy and allowing these things to happen by sheer apathy?
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:57 am
Dark_Lord_Takai luftwafe Dark_Lord_Takai But in a future were robots do all the work, wouldn't hackers be able to cause unpresidented havoc and chaos. Consider, they hack a factory. Make it produce war machines. Hackers could conquer the future. Hackers nothing. The pschotic anarcho-enviromentalist would produce EMP weaponry that would annihilate all electronics in a bid to save some stupid river or tree or something throwing that area into a virtual (lol topical) abyss. That could happen to, I was just paraphrasing what kind of happened in the books I stated before, for those who waven't read them. These are all bad things but if mankinds only labor is mental what prevents us from becoming lazy and allowing these things to happen by sheer apathy?
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:19 am
lucky_mysterious Dark_Lord_Takai luftwafe Dark_Lord_Takai But in a future were robots do all the work, wouldn't hackers be able to cause unpresidented havoc and chaos. Consider, they hack a factory. Make it produce war machines. Hackers could conquer the future. Hackers nothing. The pschotic anarcho-enviromentalist would produce EMP weaponry that would annihilate all electronics in a bid to save some stupid river or tree or something throwing that area into a virtual (lol topical) abyss. That could happen to, I was just paraphrasing what kind of happened in the books I stated before, for those who waven't read them. These are all bad things but if mankinds only labor is mental what prevents us from becoming lazy and allowing these things to happen by sheer apathy? Robots have no feelings. They are there to do the duties as programmed and are inherently incapable of anything more.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:21 am
Robots don't have feelings now. However, maybe in the future we can programm them so they have them, what will happen then?
Still, human need to work as well. you can't leave all labour to robots.
EDIT: and you need to realise, there always will be people who think robots have rights as well. It will be a moral issue then.
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