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 Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:19 am
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:55 pm
Hmmm, I wonder why mods would do such a thing when one can not discern botted gold as a donation to begin with.
Unless they have a larger reason on doing so.
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Innocentblackshadow Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:28 pm
quite disappointed at gaia for this act.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:10 pm
Very much so...
Granted, I do not know her well. I did respect however her actions.
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:22 pm
Jakobo's journal said that there was more to it than that. I'll see if I can find the link.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:29 am
I've checked her journal. I can not say I agree with her assessment. It would put people such as I at risk. Why? Since I take donations as well. What is the test to see how much is a dubious donation? Hell, I've given donations above and beyond the 100K mark. To charities and to newblings. I've done it through mules and even though I am in gaia usually when at work, I've logged on in mules in different places as well. Since I do such things, it is bad policy that every single donation now has to be asked about. What is a large donation? Isn't that a relative answer? For a newling, a large donation would be 1000 gold. For an oldbie like me, a large donation would be equivalent to a November 03 letter. Ludicrous. ((Any how for those who wish to read my thing yesterday on the Q&A section regarding this: http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15794007 )) I will post my follow up question here and the answer if I get one.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:45 am
Well, not much I can say for the management here then. Me From: xyzse To: Sashanaru Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:13 am Subject: Follow up question to my initial thread Hello, After answering my question I did have a follow up question. Usually I would not ask but the person banned was Plexi who is a long time member who could generate any amount given to her as a donation to begin with. Us who handle charities and anti-inflation stores would not know a dubious source of funding. Does this mean, I now have to ask a mod each time I get a donation that is larger than say how much? What is the amount before someone would say "oh, that is too large and looks suspcious". Members have mules all around and as such, there is no true reason to question a donation most times. I did say within the thread that I have read Jakobo's journal, however that might still apply to someone such as myself. I have friends who I don't talk to much in gaia, though I speak to in msn. What if they sent me a large sum of gold or items. Would that now be considered suspect? Might that then be considered an e-bay sale or they would think is botted, when it is merely a transaction between friends outside of gaia? Who then do I bother each time I make a transaction? If someone such as Plexi_Lexi can get banned for taking a donation, when she herself has no true need of it, how much more can it happen to others? I do apologize for being a slight pain, however the way such is handled borders an injustice. I felt it apt to speak out.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:55 am
Nicely worded, x.
i think the issues isn't over plexi's innocent or guilt. (Which is what I think the mods believe it to be.) The issue is for those of us that remain. How do we know whether or not donations, or lotto ticket trades, are legit.
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Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:29 pm
Here is the given response: Sashanaru Most of these banned people did more than "accept a donation" Most of these people purchased/obtained money from illegal sources. Any innocent people who got caught up in this will have their accounts returned, once this is all sorted out. To which I replied: xyzse Thank you, I believe however an acknowledgement of what happened would be best. Currently it is more than just I who is not trusting the trading system nor anything else. In saying that "most" were like this, that does not quite cut it as most times that I have seen a person banned even those that I know, even after checking their machines there has been no favorable result. As such, it makes users such as I wary of even using this site in more than just the forum. Be that as it may, I thank you for your reply. You are right that it does not quite address the concerns of those who are still here.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:34 am
Thats ******** up confused
Mods are meant to be like the police and courts, settling disputes and banning accounts that have done something wrong, to promote fairness and justice. But what is this? This... this is just wrong.
It almost makes me want to leave just to avoid this happening to me and getting my account raped by some annoying technicallity.
Gaia has gone to s**t.
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Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:17 am
In truth I actually am considering doing the same.
Though I doubt it. I am the repository of items to give out to my little nieces and nephews when they grow older.
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:37 am
I could never do anything against the ToS, but for some reason I still have a feeling that I can become a victim of the banhammer every time it should be. confused
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Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:12 pm
rogerpet_hacked Thats ******** up confused Mods are meant to be like the police and courts, settling disputes and banning accounts that have done something wrong, to promote fairness and justice. But what is this? This... this is just wrong. It almost makes me want to leave just to avoid this happening to me and getting my account raped by some annoying technicallity. Gaia has gone to s**t. It went to s**t way back in 2004. It never recovered and will continue to go further downwards from s**t. The system isn't perfect and there is no way to really make it perfect. There is no way of knowing if you are recieving botted gold. Only the person that actually botted the gold knows, then it trickles down to other users as he/she spends it. So the omnimoderators don't know this and don't have any idea who is involved. As the best course of action is to stop the trail, and the try to look into it closely. Quote: I have friends who I don't talk to much in gaia, though I speak to in msn. What if they sent me a large sum of gold or items. Would that now be considered suspect? Might that then be considered an e-bay sale or they would think is botted, when it is merely a transaction between friends outside of gaia? Well, a lot of people are in this situation. I have a few people, accuantences, that I just send gold and items, I don't talk to them on Gaia, they are are rarely online, they generally don't post. Their last posts were over a year ago. I kinda see how it might be considered an e-bay sale (for the gold at least). You would not be banned on pure suspicion, because you would need the orgin account, that has a record of botting, sending a trade to someone. They look at the logs. They do not go by the amount of gold, if that were the case, I would be banned on the spot, with my mules and those people I have sent gold and items too. As for the items, pretty much the same way I guess, they would have to investigate if they suspect anything. (well could go with the gold too) They would would have check ebay to get the transaction records and IP's. Then it goes from there. The problem there is that it takes some time. So the item or gold does get passed around. But once they have the evidence they need to ban the origin, they do the cleaning up and take away the items/gold that was passed around, still leaves all the victims upset and confused, but it does fix the problem. I hope that made some sense. Again.. The system isn't perfect and there is no way to really make it perfect.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 7:21 am
Agreed that nothing is perfect.
I just find it distasteful the callous disregard some mods do have for those who have been banned.
Still, e-bay will not provide that type of information as that is wrong of them. Only governments can actually do such a thing as that.
I've made my peace with it already, however I will see if I can talk to Lanzer of the 5th of August.
Last time I spoke with him was in 2004's otakon where we discussed the roll-over and how many people's inventories got replaced by a paper bag. Not to mention me discussing how I already built a few machines and the structure for a rival site on that week since I was ticked off, and we talked about how Studio MX can now handle databases unlike before.
I met Ling and bought one of their posters. It was interesting and they seemed nice.
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:18 pm
xyzse Agreed that nothing is perfect. I just find it distasteful the callous disregard some mods do have for those who have been banned. Still, e-bay will not provide that type of information as that is wrong of them. Only governments can actually do such a thing as that. I've made my peace with it already, however I will see if I can talk to Lanzer of the 5th of August. Last time I spoke with him was in 2004's otakon where we discussed the roll-over and how many people's inventories got replaced by a paper bag. Not to mention me discussing how I already built a few machines and the structure for a rival site on that week since I was ticked off, and we talked about how Studio MX can now handle databases unlike before. I met Ling and bought one of their posters. It was interesting and they seemed nice. I don't know how Callous it is. We all know they are doing their jobs, it's not out of malice, more of procedure and logic. The only that upsets people is that it's Big named users, or fact that you want to evaluate each user on merit all before actually stopping the spread of this. If it wasn't someone you knew, would you really care? It has happen to many people you don't know before you started speaking out about it, some of which ran charities, donated and accepted donations from other users. Some of which were brought back. Ebay provide's some information to the Admins (As for IP Addresses, I'm not too sure, again you can easily spoof IP's). It's been stated time and time again they are trying to work with eBay to get this handled. You can't sell some else's intellectual proterty without their consent. Nobody has their consent as stated in the TOS. As for the other places that sell this stuff, i'm not too sure. Mostly likely they don't give any infromation, that's why it spread so much. So think this is stemming off from another site, one of which is that purpleshpere people keep mentioning.
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