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Delmar_Denban
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 3:49 pm


This thread is for all those that want to discuss about training in general.

If you want to discuss conditioning drills, training equipment and other exercises this is the place to do it.

Feel free to review any equipment that you feel is any good or shite, Ask questions or give advice!

Also post links to any websites selling decent equipment.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:13 pm


Websites for the BJJ practitioners/ no gi grapplers.

www.brazilianfightwear.com

www.mmagear.com

Both excellent in service, price and world wide delivery.

Delmar_Denban
Vice Captain


Jass
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:44 am


Delmar_Denban
Websites for the BJJ practitioners/ no gi grapplers.

www.brazilianfightwear.com

www.mmagear.com

Both excellent in service, price and world wide delivery.


OOOOOO! Rash guards eek I need some more of those stare
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:44 pm


Jass
Delmar_Denban
Websites for the BJJ practitioners/ no gi grapplers.

www.brazilianfightwear.com

www.mmagear.com

Both excellent in service, price and world wide delivery.


OOOOOO! Rash guards eek I need some more of those stare
mmagear have the cheapest rash guards.

Delmar_Denban
Vice Captain


Jass
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:39 am


Alright everyone before I go I shall start a discussion. Technique variations ('cause thats always fun)

As we all know, or should do, martial techniques are not set in stone and ar every much malleable to the exponent, hence the artform, not to look pretty nor to be flowery or otherwise, to adapt.

Many people have problems with techniques due to physical implications, or want to change them to work more efficently from their perspective, or to cater for sporting rules. Basicly lets all list a technique or two in which we do just alittle differently, I'll start us off quickly as I really don't have much time.

Since everyone here loves grappling I'll address the grappling aspect.

Shoulder Throw

Reason: I found at around 14/15 that the traditional shoulder throw simply was inefficent in terms of energy used compared ot results obtained from the technique when used. Around a year or so before that I found my JKD classes automaticly influencing whatever I did elsewhere, so I thought that I would try with this.

Changes: After administrating the blow/s and quickly entering the trapping range of the fighting measure (think very close, close enough to utilise fast elbows/knees/headbutts and traps, this is where people often die or are maimed) and grapping with them moving onto a knee or crouching downwards gave me enough velocity to, without really expending any effort, slam them down with ease for alot more damage to them.

Influences: Systema, JKD

Hip Throw

Reason: I was 17, my entire arsenal started being developed around lightning fast, hard, techniques based around killing and maiming biggrin

Changes: Smack them, take them into an arm lock and then SLAM THEM ONTO THEIR HEAD and maybe stamp onto their cocyxx or something you really want.

Influences: JKD, Sadism.

Yes both these techniques are taken from Ju Jutsu, yes my description sucks and you probably can't envision any of these practicly speaking but I need sleep, so see you all later.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:33 am


Jass
Alright everyone before I go I shall start a discussion. Technique variations ('cause thats always fun)

As we all know, or should do, martial techniques are not set in stone and ar every much malleable to the exponent, hence the artform, not to look pretty nor to be flowery or otherwise, to adapt.

Many people have problems with techniques due to physical implications, or want to change them to work more efficently from their perspective, or to cater for sporting rules. Basicly lets all list a technique or two in which we do just alittle differently, I'll start us off quickly as I really don't have much time.

Since everyone here loves grappling I'll address the grappling aspect.

Shoulder Throw

Reason: I found at around 14/15 that the traditional shoulder throw simply was inefficent in terms of energy used compared ot results obtained from the technique when used. Around a year or so before that I found my JKD classes automaticly influencing whatever I did elsewhere, so I thought that I would try with this.

Changes: After administrating the blow/s and quickly entering the trapping range of the fighting measure (think very close, close enough to utilise fast elbows/knees/headbutts and traps, this is where people often die or are maimed) and grapping with them moving onto a knee or crouching downwards gave me enough velocity to, without really expending any effort, slam them down with ease for alot more damage to them.

Influences: Systema, JKD

Hip Throw

Reason: I was 17, my entire arsenal started being developed around lightning fast, hard, techniques based around killing and maiming biggrin

Changes: Smack them, take them into an arm lock and then SLAM THEM ONTO THEIR HEAD and maybe stamp onto their cocyxx or something you really want.

Influences: JKD, Sadism.

Yes both these techniques are taken from Ju Jutsu, yes my description sucks and you probably can't envision any of these practicly speaking but I need sleep, so see you all later.


Yeah, diagrams would help.

I get the jist of it though, i've found that any throwing technique needs to have the 'blow before you throw' principle applied before excuting so the opponant is either under pain distraction or/and off balance.

Never under estimate the effectiveness of correct footwork as that's really 65% of the throw

Once your opponant is on the ground they're pretty much at your mercy, if the fall from the throw doesn't kill/maim the finisher will.

If it's a one on one you can pretty much torture your opponant to death once your ground work is good enough. But always keep it quick and simple. Stamping is just as good as any submission.

Delmar_Denban
Vice Captain


Jass
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:32 pm


Delmar_Denban
Jass
Alright everyone before I go I shall start a discussion. Technique variations ('cause thats always fun)

As we all know, or should do, martial techniques are not set in stone and ar every much malleable to the exponent, hence the artform, not to look pretty nor to be flowery or otherwise, to adapt.

Many people have problems with techniques due to physical implications, or want to change them to work more efficently from their perspective, or to cater for sporting rules. Basicly lets all list a technique or two in which we do just alittle differently, I'll start us off quickly as I really don't have much time.

Since everyone here loves grappling I'll address the grappling aspect.

Shoulder Throw

Reason: I found at around 14/15 that the traditional shoulder throw simply was inefficent in terms of energy used compared ot results obtained from the technique when used. Around a year or so before that I found my JKD classes automaticly influencing whatever I did elsewhere, so I thought that I would try with this.

Changes: After administrating the blow/s and quickly entering the trapping range of the fighting measure (think very close, close enough to utilise fast elbows/knees/headbutts and traps, this is where people often die or are maimed) and grapping with them moving onto a knee or crouching downwards gave me enough velocity to, without really expending any effort, slam them down with ease for alot more damage to them.

Influences: Systema, JKD

Hip Throw

Reason: I was 17, my entire arsenal started being developed around lightning fast, hard, techniques based around killing and maiming biggrin

Changes: Smack them, take them into an arm lock and then SLAM THEM ONTO THEIR HEAD and maybe stamp onto their cocyxx or something you really want.

Influences: JKD, Sadism.

Yes both these techniques are taken from Ju Jutsu, yes my description sucks and you probably can't envision any of these practicly speaking but I need sleep, so see you all later.


Yeah, diagrams would help.

I get the jist of it though, i've found that any throwing technique needs to have the 'blow before you throw' principle applied before excuting so the opponant is either under pain distraction or/and off balance.

Never under estimate the effectiveness of correct footwork as that's really 65% of the throw

Once your opponant is on the ground they're pretty much at your mercy, if the fall from the throw doesn't kill/maim the finisher will.

If it's a one on one you can pretty much torture your opponant to death once your ground work is good enough. But always keep it quick and simple. Stamping is just as good as any submission.


I'm sure I said that I hit first? confused

Anyway to build upon your point I would say footwork counts for about 80% of your throw, the rest being distance and timing, reaction etc.

I'll...draw...some diagrams on paint if you want confused I don't know anyone who would hook me up with a training partner mad enough to try them, they pretty much developed spontaeously, I've tried to work on them whilst training but to be honest I just do them out of reflex.

Yeah the stomps a good submission, I find 9/10 because of the size of my opponent I can't stamp on the back of the head due to the fact that it would widen my stance way to much, also stamping is ideal for me because I don't like getting on the floor, its quick, its efficent.

I've never really been taken to the ground as such, only when we start from the ground whilst in training.

The closest I've came to was when basicly I was at a lovely Gracie Gym and this a*****e was really pissing me off, I ignoed him and he tried to start something up after about 3 times of ignoring him I turned around and told him to just walk away before he had to be carried away, being an obviously thick a*****e and thinking his BJJ blackbelt and mere 4 years Muay Thai besides that would actually save him he suddenly went for me.

He seriously ******** my equilibrium up I guess, he definatly had the advantage because basicly by torso was against the wall whilst my legs could be taken, its the same principle when you watch say a UFC/Pride fight and because of the cage someone gets s**t kicked.

I think I supised him because my response was like headbutt, knee to point on thigh, elbow and a take down lol. All I remember to be honest was straddling him (full mount) and repeatedly smacking his face untill he went limp beneath me lol.

And thats the story why I don't train in gracie gyms and didn't get past brownbelt in BJJ biggrin
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:30 pm


Jass
I'm sure I said that I hit first? confused


Yeah you did mate I was just saying it from my point.

Which Gracie gym was this?

What nationality was the black belt? Was he British?

Delmar_Denban
Vice Captain


Jass
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:22 pm


Delmar_Denban
Jass
I'm sure I said that I hit first? confused


Yeah you did mate I was just saying it from my point.

Which Gracie gym was this?

What nationality was the black belt? Was he British?


No he was a spaniard I would assume due to the following:

His name was Pavo, he said he was Spanish.

It was a SBG sponsored Gracie Gym.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:05 pm


You guys/girls probably know about this one already, but it won't hurt to post a reminder ^_^.

Shadow kick (not a phoney name or something out of a flashy anime/manga):

Don't do this in a neutral stance, use the side stance where your left shoulder is at the front (or the other way around, depends on what works best for you.
Alright first start off by measuring (or faking a hit) with your left fist, then when you launch your right hand at your opponent (preferably with your whole body weight turning you into right hand stance) you execute a sidekick almost simetanously (whereas the punch is launched just before the kick) with your right punch, if your opponent isn't very fast or take to faints easily you can pretty much take him out with this combo, mostly because the kick executed has your whole body weight in it and is "shadowed" by your punch hence the name shadow kick.

Deimos_Strife


Reim

PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:25 am


Anyone know how to get rid of feet blisters? Ive been getting big ones lately.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:06 am


Reim
Anyone know how to get rid of feet blisters? Ive been getting big ones lately.


I say just bare with it till your feet become callused. My first few days of muay thai I got mad blisters on the bottom of my feet(pivoting on the ball of my feet on bare concrete). I don't get those anymore because my feet are more callused.

Bruce-Ganked-Lee
Captain


CelestialDreamz
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:27 pm


I've got a quetion - I've read in a couple books that a good way to condition your hands is to practice your strikes in sand. Is that more or less effective than just using a punching bag?

And could anyone tell me a bit about shootfighting? My dojo's flying in some kind of 'world-renowned' expert at it, so I figure I might as well know what it is.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:28 pm


I've got a quetion - I've read in a couple books that a good way to condition your hands is to practice your strikes in sand. Is that more or less effective than just using a punching bag?

And could anyone tell me a bit about shootfighting? My dojo's flying in some kind of 'world-renowned' expert at it, so I figure I might as well know what it is.

CelestialDreamz
Crew


Reim

PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 8:32 pm


Bruce-Ganked-Lee
Reim
Anyone know how to get rid of feet blisters? Ive been getting big ones lately.


I say just bare with it till your feet become callused. My first few days of muay thai I got mad blisters on the bottom of my feet(pivoting on the ball of my feet on bare concrete). I don't get those anymore because my feet are more callused.
Yea, well, we're back at this really grippy floor place. =P oh well.


CelestialDreamz
I've got a quetion - I've read in a couple books that a good way to condition your hands is to practice your strikes in sand. Is that more or less effective than just using a punching bag?

And could anyone tell me a bit about shootfighting? My dojo's flying in some kind of 'world-renowned' expert at it, so I figure I might as well know what it is.

Well, You'd punch sand for different reasons. I remember seeing a documentary on the shaolin monks, who punched sand for hours on end each day to condition their hands. Punching a punching bag conditions your punches in different ways to that.
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