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 Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:15 pm
I was noting the posts on Iwhando(which I've never heard of, BTW), and was mulling over something in my head that still encourages me to look into other styles: I'm currently studying Kajukenbo, a system created from five different martial arts, as displayed on the link above(Karate, Judo, Juijitsu, Kenpo, and Chinese Boxing). While I have a desire to train in other styles in the future(Vale Tudo, Muay Thai, etc), I can still see a value in taking a form such as this due to the ability to gain some ground in learned technique in a shorter amount of time, and I actually have a respect for my style(based on the encouragement of improvisation after gaining a black belt, as well as the sheer brutality of it(though I don't like to hurt people who don't deserve it, this art would make it ugly if the person did). ) My question to those who have trained in multiple pure styles is if they feel that these mixtures of styles are a benefit in the long term, or a hinderance to a student because they skip some finer point of the martial arts mixed in?
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:59 pm
Well... it's like this... make every art a nut... You can either buy a can of pure peanuts and get everything you can from it, or get a can of mixed nuts and only get a handful of something. Im sure it's all the best of something. But it's a pro - con type thing. Mixing martial arts is always good, pretty much, but it has to be thourough, yes?
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Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:25 pm
Reim Well... it's like this... make every art a nut... You can either buy a can of pure peanuts and get everything you can from it, or get a can of mixed nuts and only get a handful of something. Im sure it's all the best of something. But it's a pro - con type thing. Mixing martial arts is always good, pretty much, but it has to be thourough, yes? Which is why you buy whole cans of different nuts and put them ALL in one big bowl.
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Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:22 pm
Bruce-Ganked-Lee Reim Well... it's like this... make every art a nut... You can either buy a can of pure peanuts and get everything you can from it, or get a can of mixed nuts and only get a handful of something. Im sure it's all the best of something. But it's a pro - con type thing. Mixing martial arts is always good, pretty much, but it has to be thourough, yes? Which is why you buy whole cans of different nuts and put them ALL in one big bowl. Exactly... I think... Im lost now.. ...Yea, exactly =)
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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 3:01 pm
Reim Bruce-Ganked-Lee Reim Well... it's like this... make every art a nut... You can either buy a can of pure peanuts and get everything you can from it, or get a can of mixed nuts and only get a handful of something. Im sure it's all the best of something. But it's a pro - con type thing. Mixing martial arts is always good, pretty much, but it has to be thourough, yes? Which is why you buy whole cans of different nuts and put them ALL in one big bowl. Exactly... I think... Im lost now.. ...Yea, exactly =) Lol, I haven't had the chance to cross train yet, but a lot of people at my dojo do, and they're all amazing fighters, so I'd go with Mixed Styles. For example, one of my classmates is a black belt in Shotokan and TKD, and although probably everyone here hates TKD, the guy has really fast and powerful strikes.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:46 am
i trained pure tang soo do for some time and i liked what i was getting at the time. it was fine what we got, a striking dominated art, but it had no balance. the school i'm going to right now has 5 black belts? i think. (relatively new, only open for 5 or 6 years.) only 1 of those does NOT have a black belt from a previous style. we have tae kwon do, 5 animal shaulin kung-fu, ishenryu, and in a matter of months tang soo do to the previous styles. as you can probably guess, we teach a mish moshed pile of arts but the ideas are all the same. either striking, or grappling to work on, and when you want to put them together like you should in a fight we'll do both. you see the ishenryu guy going to the inside for strikes and the tae kwon do guy going to the outside for strikes. neither is wrong but each has a strength and a weakness. what i'm getting at here is that all martial arts when taken to the extreme have 1 body against another body or more. you can strike or grapple or both. it's up to the person to find what works for them, but in the long run i think all styles come together to have a universal concept. eh, pm me if you don't get it or want to know more on what i'm thinking. it's more of an idea in the works right now. plus reim, you are a nut.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:22 am
This is how I personally view it. A style that combines aspects of others, isn’t cross training or a blending of styles. I believe that Kajukenbo for example, is its own distinctive art in its own right just as Vale Tudo is also an art. So to learn that said art, would be to learn one style. Even though techniques have been borrowed from other styles, those borrowed techniques still combine to form one style, based on the concept of the person whom developed it. I believe to learn Mixed Martial Arts, is to learn different pure Martial Arts and mix them to develop your own personal style that works for you. I don’t agree with the idea of someone doing that for me… meaning, taking techniques that they have found to be effective, and imposing that as Mixed Martial Arts. This has been a problem that I have found with the majority of modern styles that I have seen. To eliminate this technique or that technique in the sake of finding a Martial Truth, may be right for the person whom created the style, but not necessarily right for anyone else.
I guess what I am attempting to say, is that ultimately I believe learning a variety of pure styles is the most beneficial, because I decide what techniques are right for me, which ones I will keep, and which ones I will discard.
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:40 pm
Indeed Thunder. Personally I would say that Crosstraining, in any way shape or form should simply lay guidelines for what exponents should look for in art/techniques and offer suggestions etc.
However more often then not cross training programs are often misconcieved as styles, such as JKDC, Miletech. And they're no more beneficial then someone taking say, Shotokan Karate, simply another mans take.
Note: I am not belittling JKDC, its just that 90% of the JKDC "exponents" I've seen are s**t, following some blueprint created by some random coach. JKD as a whole is a touchy topic for most anyway so lets NOT touch upon that here please.
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:30 pm
Really depends, if you can get the best from all the styles it would be preferable, altough some of the "s**t" in certain styles aren't usually meant for taking down an opponent, for example, the Zenkochu dachi stance in shotokan is solely fore improving leg strength and stability, really if I had used that stance when in a real fight my opponent would have dashed behind me a knocked me out from behind before I could even turn
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:40 pm
Jass Indeed Thunder. Personally I would say that Crosstraining, in any way shape or form should simply lay guidelines for what exponents should look for in art/techniques and offer suggestions etc. However more often then not cross training programs are often misconcieved as styles, such as JKDC, Miletech. And they're no more beneficial then someone taking say, Shotokan Karate, simply another mans take.Note: I am not belittling JKDC, its just that 90% of the JKDC "exponents" I've seen are s**t, following some blueprint created by some random coach. JKD as a whole is a touchy topic for most anyway so lets NOT touch upon that here please. Not true. Even in the event that they are considered as styles (which is definately not the case in JKDC), it would still be more beneficial to be exposed to the variety of pure arts within the said cross-training programs, than being limited to only one style... due to the fact that you will be exposed to more stimuli, which give you more possibility to function in a bigger variety of situations. Note: You said it, not me. 90% of JKDC exponents that you've seen are s**t? I find that extremely hard to believe. Either you think little of JKDC or you haven't been exposed to many people within JKDC. Come to Marina Del Ray, CA so we can change that precentile.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:01 am
Thunder Foot Jass Indeed Thunder. Personally I would say that Crosstraining, in any way shape or form should simply lay guidelines for what exponents should look for in art/techniques and offer suggestions etc. However more often then not cross training programs are often misconcieved as styles, such as JKDC, Miletech. And they're no more beneficial then someone taking say, Shotokan Karate, simply another mans take.Note: I am not belittling JKDC, its just that 90% of the JKDC "exponents" I've seen are s**t, following some blueprint created by some random coach. JKD as a whole is a touchy topic for most anyway so lets NOT touch upon that here please. Not true. Even in the event that they are considered as styles (which is definately not the case in JKDC), it would still be more beneficial to be exposed to the variety of pure arts within the said cross-training programs, than being limited to only one style... due to the fact that you will be exposed to more stimuli, which give you more possibility to function in a bigger variety of situations. Note: You said it, not me. 90% of JKDC exponents that you've seen are s**t? I find that extremely hard to believe. Either you think little of JKDC or you haven't been exposed to many people within JKDC. Come to Marina Del Ray, CA so we can change that precentile. I would love to mate, though I shall more than likely still stick to my pecentile, even though it may be alittle exaggerated, the majority of JKD stylists I meet are very arrogant and often fail to back it up. As for JKDC I'm relatively undecided for the most part, my descisions however are based on what I've fought, though I guess you can't quite lay the blame ON JKDC simply becauses its a fluent and formless system thats very malleable. Lately I've been working with a few JKDC instructors around my area, they're fairly good fighters, brilliant instructors aswell. Hmm...maybe I'm just unlucky in what I've fought so far, and if Marina Del Ray is where Inosantos studio is based then don't worry, I plan on going there once I've qualified to make good on something blaugh
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:19 am
Jass Thunder Foot Jass Indeed Thunder. Personally I would say that Crosstraining, in any way shape or form should simply lay guidelines for what exponents should look for in art/techniques and offer suggestions etc. However more often then not cross training programs are often misconcieved as styles, such as JKDC, Miletech. And they're no more beneficial then someone taking say, Shotokan Karate, simply another mans take.Note: I am not belittling JKDC, its just that 90% of the JKDC "exponents" I've seen are s**t, following some blueprint created by some random coach. JKD as a whole is a touchy topic for most anyway so lets NOT touch upon that here please. Not true. Even in the event that they are considered as styles (which is definately not the case in JKDC), it would still be more beneficial to be exposed to the variety of pure arts within the said cross-training programs, than being limited to only one style... due to the fact that you will be exposed to more stimuli, which give you more possibility to function in a bigger variety of situations. Note: You said it, not me. 90% of JKDC exponents that you've seen are s**t? I find that extremely hard to believe. Either you think little of JKDC or you haven't been exposed to many people within JKDC. Come to Marina Del Ray, CA so we can change that precentile. I would love to mate, though I shall more than likely still stick to my pecentile, even though it may be alittle exaggerated, the majority of JKD stylists I meet are very arrogant and often fail to back it up. As for JKDC I'm relatively undecided for the most part, my descisions however are based on what I've fought, though I guess you can't quite lay the blame ON JKDC simply becauses its a fluent and formless system thats very malleable. Lately I've been working with a few JKDC instructors around my area, they're fairly good fighters, brilliant instructors aswell. Hmm...maybe I'm just unlucky in what I've fought so far, and if Marina Del Ray is where Inosantos studio is based then don't worry, I plan on going there once I've qualified to make good on something blaugh You are right, you can't blame one person.... or even a group of people's actions on a Martial Art. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. And while you may have dealt with a small group of JKDC people whom you have asessed as not being talented, in your area... realize that you are only in a small part of the world, and that untalented group does not represent the entire populace that is JKDC. Besides, when talking about the level of skill within the Martial Arts, its always best to go directly to the source. And since Bruce is dead, the next best thing would be either Kimura or Inosanto. And of the two, Bruce said himself, that Dan was his best exponent of JKD. And if 90% of Dan's students are s**t as you say... then I guess you must not think highly of Bruce himself, as Dan's students are a reflection of Bruce's legacy. All I ask, is in the future, refrain from making such ridiculous mass generalizations because it has become apparent your knowledge of Jeet Kune Do is limited. No offense against you as a person, of course.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:37 pm
Thunder Foot Jass Thunder Foot Jass Indeed Thunder. Personally I would say that Crosstraining, in any way shape or form should simply lay guidelines for what exponents should look for in art/techniques and offer suggestions etc. However more often then not cross training programs are often misconcieved as styles, such as JKDC, Miletech. And they're no more beneficial then someone taking say, Shotokan Karate, simply another mans take.Note: I am not belittling JKDC, its just that 90% of the JKDC "exponents" I've seen are s**t, following some blueprint created by some random coach. JKD as a whole is a touchy topic for most anyway so lets NOT touch upon that here please. Not true. Even in the event that they are considered as styles (which is definately not the case in JKDC), it would still be more beneficial to be exposed to the variety of pure arts within the said cross-training programs, than being limited to only one style... due to the fact that you will be exposed to more stimuli, which give you more possibility to function in a bigger variety of situations. Note: You said it, not me. 90% of JKDC exponents that you've seen are s**t? I find that extremely hard to believe. Either you think little of JKDC or you haven't been exposed to many people within JKDC. Come to Marina Del Ray, CA so we can change that precentile. I would love to mate, though I shall more than likely still stick to my pecentile, even though it may be alittle exaggerated, the majority of JKD stylists I meet are very arrogant and often fail to back it up. As for JKDC I'm relatively undecided for the most part, my descisions however are based on what I've fought, though I guess you can't quite lay the blame ON JKDC simply becauses its a fluent and formless system thats very malleable. Lately I've been working with a few JKDC instructors around my area, they're fairly good fighters, brilliant instructors aswell. Hmm...maybe I'm just unlucky in what I've fought so far, and if Marina Del Ray is where Inosantos studio is based then don't worry, I plan on going there once I've qualified to make good on something blaugh You are right, you can't blame one person.... or even a group of people's actions on a Martial Art. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. And while you may have dealt with a small group of JKDC people whom you have asessed as not being talented, in your area... realize that you are only in a small part of the world, and that untalented group does not represent the entire populace that is JKDC. Besides, when talking about the level of skill within the Martial Arts, its always best to go directly to the source. And since Bruce is dead, the next best thing would be either Kimura or Inosanto. And of the two, Bruce said himself, that Dan was his best exponent of JKD. And if 90% of Dan's students are s**t as you say... then I guess you must not think highly of Bruce himself, as Dan's students are a reflection of Bruce's legacy. All I ask, is in the future, refrain from making such ridiculous mass generalizations because it has become apparent your knowledge of Jeet Kune Do is limited. No offense against you as a person, of course. Come on guys, play nice.
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:02 pm
I agree with mixing your own techniques.
Every fighting situation is diff mix and match and find what you need for a fight.
i do a lot of striking and grappling, but whatever floats your boat
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:44 pm
Delmar_Denban Thunder Foot Jass Thunder Foot Jass Indeed Thunder. Personally I would say that Crosstraining, in any way shape or form should simply lay guidelines for what exponents should look for in art/techniques and offer suggestions etc. However more often then not cross training programs are often misconcieved as styles, such as JKDC, Miletech. And they're no more beneficial then someone taking say, Shotokan Karate, simply another mans take.Note: I am not belittling JKDC, its just that 90% of the JKDC "exponents" I've seen are s**t, following some blueprint created by some random coach. JKD as a whole is a touchy topic for most anyway so lets NOT touch upon that here please. Not true. Even in the event that they are considered as styles (which is definately not the case in JKDC), it would still be more beneficial to be exposed to the variety of pure arts within the said cross-training programs, than being limited to only one style... due to the fact that you will be exposed to more stimuli, which give you more possibility to function in a bigger variety of situations. Note: You said it, not me. 90% of JKDC exponents that you've seen are s**t? I find that extremely hard to believe. Either you think little of JKDC or you haven't been exposed to many people within JKDC. Come to Marina Del Ray, CA so we can change that precentile. I would love to mate, though I shall more than likely still stick to my pecentile, even though it may be alittle exaggerated, the majority of JKD stylists I meet are very arrogant and often fail to back it up. As for JKDC I'm relatively undecided for the most part, my descisions however are based on what I've fought, though I guess you can't quite lay the blame ON JKDC simply becauses its a fluent and formless system thats very malleable. Lately I've been working with a few JKDC instructors around my area, they're fairly good fighters, brilliant instructors aswell. Hmm...maybe I'm just unlucky in what I've fought so far, and if Marina Del Ray is where Inosantos studio is based then don't worry, I plan on going there once I've qualified to make good on something blaugh You are right, you can't blame one person.... or even a group of people's actions on a Martial Art. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. And while you may have dealt with a small group of JKDC people whom you have asessed as not being talented, in your area... realize that you are only in a small part of the world, and that untalented group does not represent the entire populace that is JKDC. Besides, when talking about the level of skill within the Martial Arts, its always best to go directly to the source. And since Bruce is dead, the next best thing would be either Kimura or Inosanto. And of the two, Bruce said himself, that Dan was his best exponent of JKD. And if 90% of Dan's students are s**t as you say... then I guess you must not think highly of Bruce himself, as Dan's students are a reflection of Bruce's legacy. All I ask, is in the future, refrain from making such ridiculous mass generalizations because it has become apparent your knowledge of Jeet Kune Do is limited. No offense against you as a person, of course. Come on guys, play nice. Ah, the battle of the JKD practitioners....reminds me of a slightly more intelligent kung fu film.
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