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 Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:47 am
Why is Jor-El the only Kryptonian A.I. Clark interacts with? I mean I can under stand about Jor-El being programed into Clarks ship... The Cave walls however where hundreds of years old and Jor-El resides with in the walls... The three elements thousands of years old, yet Jor-El exists as part of the FOS... I thought that maybe the key to clarks ships stored the data of Jor-El's A.I. (like a 3.5 floppy) and automatically uploaded it into whatever kryptonian tech required a 'key' to operate. (Kinda useing the A.I. data in the key like a fully interactive operating system), But the fact that Jor-El manifested himself in the FOS before Clark ever used the key to get there disproved that little theory... so that make me wonder... Why is it that Clark hasn't interacted with any A.I. besides Jor-El?
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:57 pm
Who else should he interact with? I mean his whole civilization was wiped out and it isn't like he knew anyone else. No one else could influence Clark except his father.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:43 pm
Don't get me wrong, Him interacting with Jor-El is an excellent plot tool for the series... However logically it doesn't make sense.
arrow The last time Jor-El has visited Earth (that we know about) was in 1961... around Clarks age...
arrow The three elements are thousands of years old and the cave hundreds of years old...
arrow With what we've seen from Clark, Kryptonians age about the same rate as a human... maybe just a tad slower...
arrow If Jor-El was programmed into the three elements, he looked rather well for being more then 2k years old in 1961... stare
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:01 pm
You seriously can't figure this out on your own? My goodness, some people...
*sigh* Here goes nothing
Kryptonians hid the 3 elements, not Jor-El. Jor-El, then at ANY time, would be able to program the FoS to do as he pleases, or to place his spirit inside of it.
Just because the FoS wasn't erect, doesn't mean it can't be tampered with or edited for the users needs.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:47 pm
Original_Sin You seriously can't figure this out on your own? My goodness, some people... *sigh* Here goes nothing Kryptonians hid the 3 elements, not Jor-El. Jor-El, then at ANY time, would be able to program the FoS to do as he pleases, or to place his spirit inside of it. Just because the FoS wasn't erect, doesn't mean it can't be tampered with or edited for the users needs. I rightly don't think anyone suggested Jor-El hid or muchless say he had anything to do with the elements... Hence his A.I. being in the FoS as soon as it formed doesn't make a whole lot of sense, But saying that the crystals could have been tampered with got me thinking. The large crystal that was used to created the FoS was "fused" in the cave. Where Jor-El's A.I. had already resided. Makeing it the place that Jor-El had written his 'data' into the crystals... (smacks his forhead for not thinking of that before) O.o The ship key being the storage unit for a Kryptonian A.I. O.S. wins again... stare maybe...
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:26 pm
Well the Kryptonian race is highly more efficient and technoligically more advanced then we will ever be. How ever. Jor-el Programmed the stones in the time being that he had, because he knew that Krypton was going to explode, and he knew in order to save the race he was going to have to risk his son on a voyage to earth in order to keep the race alive. In that being he placed part of himself within the chip. NO other kryptonian was expecting Zod's attack and had not even planned on imperialism on other Planets as far away as Earth. Sure Kryptonians had been there in the past but their race did not feel threatend enough to have to manifest their intelligence unless in the dire need where the race is faced with such a threat....well... to make it simple, Jor-el manifested his intelligence for Clark and Clark alone. Kal was just a baby when Krypton was destroyed, other Kryptonians hadn't been to Earth in a really long time. Leaving Jor-el the only one with the knowledge that the last son of Krypton, Kal-el was on earth. Jor-el was the only one with the memory of Kal-el. No other kryptonians even thought as much as to leave a messege. Although Kal does come into communication with Lara occasionally.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:15 pm
Other Kryptonians could have been to Earth and one or two might still be...
arrow In Memoria Clark was a new born in the flash back.
arrow In the pilot he was about 3 maybe 4 years old meaning it takes about 3 or 4 years for a home made kryptonian rocket constructed by a kryptonian rocket scientist to get to earth.
arrow Since Clark arived in 1989 assuming Krypton exploded shortly after Clark was sent to Earth. Krypton would have met it's end during 1985 or 1986 (Earth Years)
exclaim Meaning since Kryptonians used earth as a right of passage into 'man hood' they would still be doing it for another 24 years... (that's assuming they didn't know their planet was going to explode and didn't have more improtant things to worry about such as, well their planet exploding)
So to say Jor-El was the only one to visit Earth, since, would be an assumption with out anything to back it up...
I'm not going to tuch the whole 'Zod' thing since the only reason the deciples of Zod and Brainiac came to Earth was since one of the three elements was stained with human blood... to me it means 1 of 2 things...
1) The element also acted as a becon for Zods ship (I don't want to meet the disterbed Kryptonian who desiced that you should dunk it in human blood to activate the becon feature of the element)
2) The Kryptonans that placed the elemants on this planet used it as a fail safe... so that if the elements got into the wrong human hands, they would have Zod enslave this planet makeing it into New Krypton ^.^ (still a very disterbing thought)
Besides Lara being mentioned in Memoria when has Kal-El or Clark Been in comunication with Lara?
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:19 am
Quote: Other Kryptonians could have been to Earth and one or two might still be... I never said they weren't on earth. Of Course they have othr wise the caves, and the elements would never have been placed on Earth. Jor-el is the only Kryptonian A.I. Clark talks to because Jor-el is the only one from Krypton other then Zod (Nam-ek, and Aethyr) who know that Kal-el is on Earth. Using Kryptonian technologies Jor-el was able to record himself in the sense that he would still be able to communicate with his son once the FoS was created. Clark had to Create the FoS because the Ship which he first used to communicat with Jor-el was destroyed (by his own doing) and the Caves where too public. My Point is. How would Clark come in contact with any other Kryptonian A.I. when no one else knew that A) Krypton was going to Explode and B) Kal-el was going to be the "last son of Krypton"? They didn't, besides Lara. You keep rambling on about Kryptonians being on earth when really you are talking about A.I.s
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:34 am
I'm not just rambleing about Kryptonains comeing to Earth, I'm also rambleing about how long it takes them, When Krypton was destoyed and How old Clark was when Krypton exploded...
arrow We already asstablished it takes 3 to 4 years for a person to travil from Krypton to Earth...
arrow We know Clark wasn't even 1 when Krypton exploded
exclaim Jor-El would not of been able to make the trip to Earth to program his A.I. into everything Kryptonian on Earth and make the trip back to Krypton before finding out it has exploded about 7 years since he left...
Also my rambleing about other Kryptonans comeing to Earth means that Jor-El wasn't the only one to tamper with any pre-exosting Kryptonian technollogies others would have...
arrow To say that Jor-El was the last because he knew his son would use it, is takeing out of account the other kryptonians useing them for their own means to an end in the 4 years it would have taken Jor-El to get back home...
arrow It's also ignoreing the other Kryptonian A.I.s that where preprogramed into the locations, by saying because they didn't "know" Clark Jor-Els was arbotrarally selected... when in actuallity he wouldn't of known Clark eather (on account of Clark not being born for anther 3-4 years)
Hence I has the Ship 'key' theory... where Jor-Els A.I. was stored on the 'key' and since everything that exibited Jor-El seemingly streaming A.I. required the 'key' ... The big Crystal that made the FoS was 'fused' in the cave where Jor-El has preveously existed (due to the use of the key... or so I think) which alloud Jor-Els A.I. to write it's self into the crystals...
My last point would be if Jor-El written his A.I. into everything separatly...
arrow The first time Clark goes to a new location for the first time, would be the first time the A.I. there meets Clark...
arrow Since the A.I. is an extention of how it manifested itself last. It would have to be the same A.I. in everything... Not just the same person being the A.I.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:06 am
You aren't making much sense. You are talking about totally different things. You are not getting to your point at all. You are just throwing out random information that is making you sound like your rambling. You aren't listening to what im trying to say. I am saying that in the time hence Jor-el knew he had he programed all of his kryptonian knowledge to share with his son: Kal-el so that when he was on earth he would know who he was and where he came from and why he was sent to earth. What he learned from the wall was why he came to the small town of Smallville Kansas and what he was destined to do. Where you are making absolutly no sense is where you think that Clark is going to be coming in contact with other Kryptonian A.I.s. Jor-el manifested himself into an A.I. when he went to earth in the 60's because he knew that one day his son would be sent to earth, just as his father sent him to earth as well. But he assumed that he would know about his kryptonian heratige. So in the remaining time of Krypton, Jor-el took his knowledge and programmed it into a key that would fit into the wall so that his son would be able to communicate with him in a sense. Kind of like in SMR when Lex in in the FoS, Its a recording, Jor-el really has no idea whom he is talkng to, its assumed that it is his son. So really no other Kryptonian would be "meeting Clark". there would really be no other use for him to come in contact with anyother kryptonian.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:56 am
`Chloe Sullivan` You aren't making much sense. You are talking about totally different things. You are not getting to your point at all. You are just throwing out random information that is making you sound like your rambling. You aren't listening to what im trying to say.
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:19 pm
Of Course jor-el is not the only Kryptonian who is able to manifest himself through A.I. just no other kryptonian felt the need to. But if you want to knowso bad why there are no other ones why don't you ask yourself the quest: "Why would Clark NEED to talk to other Kryptoian A.I.s?"
Personally i think you are putting way to much thought into something that is not meant to be thought of. You are going no where with this. I mean what answer exactly are you looking for?
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:39 pm
Original_Sin Kryptonians hid the 3 elements, not Jor-El. Jor-El, then at ANY time, would be able to program the FoS to do as he pleases, or to place his spirit inside of it.Just because the FoS wasn't erect, doesn't mean it can't be tampered with or edited for the users needs [make not no one said Jor-EL had anything to do with creating or hideing the elements prior to this post] Alright I think I know where you're loseing me Chloe. I proposed the question, How Jor-El manifested himself in the FoS since he didn't program the elements... I made the propostition that I originally thought that the 'Key' was a universal remote kinda deal for Kryptonian Tech and that some Kryptonain locations or technollogies required an A.I. program for the user to interface with it's "higher" functions... and the A.I. was stored in the 'Key' So I did get my answer when I replyed to original sin ... if you read it... Hence where ever the Key is used the A.I. would be uploaded... But I figured that since the Crystals where fused in the cave that is where Jor-El had written his A.I. into the FoS... Now after Original Sin made the proposition that Jor-El himself (not the the A.I.) has altered the elemants... As we both know Jor-El in no way could have altered the elemants himself... and my 'rambling' if you apply it to "Jor-El the person and no other kryptonian tampered with the elements" it makes some sense... So in short we where argueing two differant ideas and you applyed both ideas to the just one you had... having the rambleing that is Jor-El him self in no way could have tampered with the elements because logistically it's imposable... and The A.I. O.S. on the ship 'key' does that make sense?
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:50 pm
yeah... i think i confused my self though so part of your statements got mixed up... blah blah blah my apologies for the misunderstanding
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:17 am
what's an A.I.? stare redface
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