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 Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 12:06 pm
So far what I've seen is megatokyo has been one of the first well accepted non-Japanese manga. This gets me excited because most manga created away from Japan is usually considered third rate and mostly a rip off. Who says you have to be Japanese to create manga just because it started there? The problem I see is that the bar for manga outside Japan is set low, and so just expect it to be bad. I hope this can help raise the bar and start a new trend of saying it is okay to create something wonderful even if it came from somewhere else. Sorry for the rant, post your feelings here too.
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 6:18 pm
yeah, non-japanese (or other asian country, there's some from korea and maybe some from china) manga was originaly deemed that it could just never be good enough because manga was supposed to be too far entrenched in japanese culture, so to tryto seperate it from that just wouldn't work. However, I think the fact that there's plenty of manga made in Japan based in fantasy or futuristic worlds with totaly seperate socities that are really cool should point out that that isn't true wink We really have been seeing an increase over the past years in O.E.L manga. I think especially how much of the English original mangas tokyo pop has been putting out lately along with the massive amounts of unique english online mangas has shown that manga, like all things mostly, does not have to remain exclusive to it's point of origin to be good. It makes sense too. The internet and web comic mangas, like MT, I mentioned- the internet has as we all know made communication and information so global, so non-japanese audiences have been getting to see more and more manga as communication has been increased, and it's become more acceptable, well known, and accessable. Besides, the facts are if you translate a manga to another language, so long as it's well translated, it won't suddenly suck; therefore, since manga does not need to be part of japanese culture, or language, and story quality and artistic quality is based on individuals not bound to the country of Japan exclusively, it is only logical that plenty of perfectly good manga can be created anywhere. And as more people who could do it well find out about it and try, more good non-japanese manga WILL be created 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:07 pm
Actually, this brings up another. I'm wondering if an O.E.L. manga could become so popular as to attract the attention of an animation studio either in the country it started in? How well could that be recieved? Is there much (if any) O.E.L. manga that makes its way to Japan or other countries in general? I'm really too tired at this point to make any big points, but I am just wondering what people think.
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Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:33 pm
Small-post thought: I'm thinking that maybe part of the fact that it was accepted is that it it's set in Japan... so it has some of the culture in it... well "Japan"... mmm... rent-a-zilla
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my dog ate my sanity Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:53 am
Non-jap manga has been around sence the 1980's. It was called ' Ninja High School' by Ben Dunn. So, its not really a new thing...Newly accepted, yes, but, its been around.
Plus, there are a whole bunch of publishers for AmeriManga. Like TokyoPop, Seven Seas, Del Rey, Dark Hourse, just to name a few. There are also things you can buy now in the states that can aid you in making Manga.
I did a report on it...Actually, a speach....for, Public Speaking. I'll shuddup now...
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:07 pm
The fact that they're not legitimate "Manga"s will turn people off.
Hell, it turns ME off.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:21 pm
Yeah, it may turn some people off but I think the fact the word "manga" will still draw peoples attention. So what if it's not from japan? It's still manga no matter where it comes from. And if it's American manga, it's still better than "comic books" that some people would consider american manga to be.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:40 pm
About the Japanese animation of American manga, I think the only way it can get done if it had a popular enough Japanese readership, and that can only be achieved if the comic is in Japanese.
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Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:49 am
To me, "Manga" is Japanese.
What I mean by that is whenever I read a Manga, I expect it to take place somewhere in Japan, I expect Japanese humor, I expect Japanese culture...generally, I expect Japan. That is why I am still attracted to Megatokyo, but Megatokyo is special in that way.
The art could look Japanese, the dialogue could sound Japanese...but it's just an imitation.
To me, American Manga to Manga is like...Sweetener to Sugar.
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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:36 pm
Well that statement doesn't help the non-Japanese-manga industry.
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Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 1:50 am
William C. Wonka To me, "Manga" is Japanese. What I mean by that is whenever I read a Manga, I expect it to take place somewhere in Japan, I expect Japanese humor, I expect Japanese culture...generally, I expect Japan. That is why I am still attracted to Megatokyo, but Megatokyo is special in that way. The art could look Japanese, the dialogue could sound Japanese...but it's just an imitation. To me, American Manga to Manga is like...Sweetener to Sugar. out of curiosity, I know my first post was a little bit longer then most in here, but did you read it? My point is that not all manga made by japanese people is set in japan at all or has much cultural relevance. Off the top of my head an exaple- how about cowboy bebop- not set in japan, or the present, they have people of all kinds, and even on different planets,and they exist in a time with a totaly different culture due to changes in time, technology, and so on. I also atleast in the anime, for as long as I watched it, unless they changed a lot of it in translation, didn't notice a whole lot of cultural specific humor. Take a japanese person from Japan, move them someplace else. Can they no longer create good manga? take somebody from another country and put them in Japan, will that now make a manga by them acceptable? To say manga is that thouroughly entwined with Japan and it's culture is actually setting limitations upon people and manga itself. If you think that all of it has to be done with a direct refelection of japanese culture or it's just not good enough- it's like saying anything can only be good from any place. Bah! My head hurts. sweatdrop Does maple syrup have to come from Canadian trees to be any good? Pizza started in Italy with their cultural style of cooking, is it inferior from any place else? Baseball is labeled the american pass time, can it not be played elsewhwere? Personally though, I'm not even opposed to "comic books' though I've read very few. comic books and even manga made by non-japanese people though- You CAN see a difference in them. They flow rather differently among other things.... You have a right to your opinion, I know, It just doesn't make sense to me is all sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:55 am
I am personally quite alright with English-language comics... but I think that it should be called that.
I suppose the term is used to describe the style, but I think that not appealing to a more general readership will:
a) tie the artist/author down to mainstream conventions
b) mean the work doesn't reach very large numbers of people
I think creative works should not be narrowed down like that. When you pick up a manga, mostly you know what to expect. Partly, because of the way manga is run chapter-by-chapter in magazines, there are certain conventions that need not apply to somebody writing outside of that. However, these are still assosiated with 'manga'. (eg. dramatic event happening at the end of every chapter, for example, format and characters introduced in the first chapter)
Megatokyo has a massive readership who will spend good money on the books! ...but essentially no other 'manga' comic does.
Basically, I think it'll be a long time before many people can make decent careers out of English language 'manga', so I don't think the niche will kick of into mainstream society.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:08 am
bluecherry William C. Wonka To me, "Manga" is Japanese. What I mean by that is whenever I read a Manga, I expect it to take place somewhere in Japan, I expect Japanese humor, I expect Japanese culture...generally, I expect Japan. That is why I am still attracted to Megatokyo, but Megatokyo is special in that way. The art could look Japanese, the dialogue could sound Japanese...but it's just an imitation. To me, American Manga to Manga is like...Sweetener to Sugar. out of curiosity, I know my first post was a little bit longer then most in here, but did you read it? My point is that not all manga made by japanese people is set in japan at all or has much cultural relevance. Off the top of my head an exaple- how about cowboy bebop- not set in japan, or the present, they have people of all kinds, and even on different planets,and they exist in a time with a totaly different culture due to changes in time, technology, and so on. Well, though that may be true, I don't recall any Manga taking place in a typical American setting. Though it may for some, it obviously didn't catch on, if we have to Google it. Quote: I also atleast in the anime, for as long as I watched it, unless they changed a lot of it in translation, didn't notice a whole lot of cultural specific humor. Take a japanese person from Japan, move them someplace else. Can they no longer create good manga? take somebody from another country and put them in Japan, will that now make a manga by them acceptable? To say manga is that thouroughly entwined with Japan and it's culture is actually setting limitations upon people and manga itself. If you think that all of it has to be done with a direct refelection of japanese culture or it's just not good enough- it's like saying anything can only be good from any place. Oh, but miss, manga IS entwined with culture. Taken from Wiki... Quote: Cultural importance Though roughly equivalent to the American comic book, manga holds more importance in Japanese culture than comics do in American culture. In economic terms, weekly sales of comics in Japan exceed the entire annual output of the American comic industry. Several major manga magazines which contain about a dozen episodes from different authors sell several million copies each per week. Manga is well respected both as an art form and as a form of popular literature though it has not reached acceptance of historically higher art genres like film or music. However, approval of Hayao Miyazaki's Anime and some of other works of manga are gradually changing the perception of Anime and manga, placing them closer to the status of "higher" arts (Top of box office charts of all-time in Japan is Spirited Away by Hayao Miyzaki, 30.4 billion yen). Like its American counterpart, some manga has been criticized for being violent and/or sexual. For example, a number of film adaptation of manga such as Ichi the Killer or Old Boy were rated Restricted or Mature in the States. However, there have been no official inquiries or laws trying to limit what can be drawn in manga, except for vague decency laws applying to all published materials, stating that "overly indecent materials should not be sold." This freedom has allowed artists to draw manga for every age group and for about every topic. Quote: Bah! My head hurts. sweatdrop Does maple syrup have to come from Canadian trees to be any good? Pizza started in Italy with their cultural style of cooking, is it inferior from any place else? Baseball is labeled the american pass time, can it not be played elsewhwere? Personally though, I'm not even opposed to "comic books' though I've read very few. comic books and even manga made by non-japanese people though- You CAN see a difference in them. They flow rather differently among other things.... Good points, good points...but remember, the graphic novel didn't originate in Japan. Manga is a form of graphic novel. That being said... Maybe it's just me...I know it's a personal thing. Tacos. I loved Taco Bell. I thought the food was great, I thought I knew what a taco was. I went to Mexico on a mission trip. There was a taco shack nearby. I bought a taco, and everything changed for me. Every time I see a Taco Bell, or a Taco Time, I have to restrain myself from vomiting. I now know what a taco is supposed to taste, and these American Franchises are...well, less than acceptable. Like I said...might just be me. Quote: You have a right to your opinion, I know, It just doesn't make sense to me is all sweatdrop Well, hopefully, now you have a small idea of what I'm feeling.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:50 pm
As a note: Chrono Crusade by Daisuke Moriyama takes place in New York.
So, this is my opinion as an anthropologist: manga is a lingustic reference to a stylistic difference between Eastern and Western sequential art. Although comics are known with different words within East Asia (manhua in Pinying, manhwa in Korean, manga in Japanese) generally all Asian sequential art marketed in America is given the title of "manga". I wonder what Myung-Jin Lee (Ragnarok) Kim Jae-Hwan (Warcraft vol.1) and Kang-Woo Lee (Rebirth) would think about their works being called manga, when in reality it should be called "manhwa", since they are Korean.
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Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:33 pm
But Wonka- that says how manga effects their culture and is a part of their culture, not how their culture is a part of the manga inseperably for ever and ever and always in every case. Also, it makes sense Japanese people are mostly writing about things taking place in Japan and not america- You write what you know, they know Japan, not america. People tend to naturally make things take place in their stories in the same country as themselves. My writing has always taken place in America, or a place unnamed but pretty much like it out of just being far too lazy to research the entire societies of other countries to get the stories right. I think this is how it is with lots of people, it's just too much trouble to be bothered with writing about other places so you write about home.
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