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nathan_ngl
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:00 am


Is Judaism sexist?

Through many of the topics here in the forum, the issue of the rights and obligations of the man and the woman have been brought up many times, and always raise the same difficulty - "Is judaism sexist?".

This is an interesting question, since it does seem at a first glance that women are in a way "discrimenated". For example:
  • Men have an obligation to pray, whilist the woman doesn't.
  • The woman does not have to obligation to do some mitzvot, such as the tzitzis, or teffilin, and most festival mitzvot, whereas the man does.
  • The Talmud and the Torah studying were meant for the man, rather than for the woman.
It would seem that the woman has less of a place in judaism, a lesser job than the male. That is not the case. Just because the woman is not obligated with some mitzvot, doesn't mean the woman is less worthy of the man of comming close to G-d, and devoting herself to the religion. It is actually the opposite.

There are a few points I will cover -
  • The woman's obligations are actually far greater than the man's.
  • The mitzvot were meant to set a man's mind streight, which is something the woman need less, since her mind is wired differenly than the man's.
  • The woman would not have time to fufill her obligations if she were obligated to to all the other mitzvot.
  • Just beacuse it's not an obligation, it doesn't make it not allowed!
The woman's obligations are actually far greater than the man's -
Indstead of seeing the lesser-obligations of the woman, we should actually realise what the woman's obligations really are. The woman is the pillar of a household, as the rabbies have said - "He who has found a wife, has built a house". In other words, the wife is the support of the man, the family - she is the strength of the entire household. It is her job to make sure the little kids get up in the morning and say "modeh ani" or bless over their food. It is her job to send the kids off on time to school to learn Torah. Not only is the woman not less-important in judaism than the man, she is actually more important, because without her, the man would not be complete.

The woman needs the mitzvot less than the man -
The man, without the study of torah would fall to the persuasive powers of his evil inclination, while the woman, who has a different look at the world, would not need this study to subdue her mind. The woman has a certain level of spirtuality naturally implimented in her - the woman is the source of purity in the house. The mitzvot are the man's "avoda" (=service) to G-d to keep him occupied lest his mind go astray.

The woman has a different mission on earth, and that is to strengthen her family. The woman has mitzvot the man does not, and she has strengths the man does not. The woman has 3 mitzvot that are very special:
  • Lighting the candles before the shabbat.
  • Seperating the halla portion from the bread.
  • Tvilah in the mikveh.
The woman would not have time to fufill her obligations -
If the woman had been given an obligation to do the other things, she would have less time to do the more important things she really was meant to do, that is, to be the pillar of support of the household.
  • Lighting the candles before the shabbat - Considering the point of the woman's mitzvot are to strengthen the inner light of the household, I would say the most important of the woman's mitzvaot is lighting candles on Shabbat and the holidays. The candles are several things, but above all, they are symbols of inner light, symbols of harmony, of peace, of domestic tranquility. That's why there's one candle per family member. The woman is the axis around which the family world turns, and on Shabbat, the Jewish woman, the mainstay of the home, strengthens and enlightens these things.
  • Seperating the halla portion from the bread - In the times of the Temple, it was mandatory to donate part of any dough to the Temple preists, called "the kohanim". The kohanim served in the Temple as the representatives of all the Jewish People, and thus deserved renumeration. This job was given to the woman, as she is the caring, and the type to make sure that the man continues his avoda (hence she gets a large portion of his reward from learning!).
  • Tvilah in the mikveh -
    It is the married woman's obligation to perserve the sanctity of the home through immersing monthly in the purifying waters of the Mikvah. The woman is the conduit through which purity is channeled to the entire household.
Just beacuse it's not an obligation, it doesn't make it not allowed -
Just because There is not obligation, doesn't mean she cannot do these things! This was actually set this way to make it easier for the woman! Torah did not obligate the woman, because the Torah wanted to allow the woman to do fufill her important obligations, and if she has time, then she can (and is encouraged to) do further, beyond her obligations. If she had the normal obligations and the obligations the woman has around the household currently, the stress would hurt not only the quality of her normal obligations, but of the extra ones added too. This way is most productive and helpfull of the woman.

***

So you may ask - "now that I'm not married, and I'm at home, why don't I have obligations?". Well, first of all, you should be married xd (joking). But in the event you aren't... Just because your not obligated, does that stop you from doing mitzvot? 3nodding . On the contrary! Feel free to do as many as you can!!! blaugh

I hope this helps!

Notes -
This is being constantly updated, as I am finding new things to add every moment xd .
Updated: The 3 mitzvot of the woman.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:06 pm


okay; thank you very much Nathan!! 3nodding


(does this mean that I can eat chicken paremsan? xd blaugh )

darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain


kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:57 pm


darkphoenix1247
okay; thank you very much Nathan!! 3nodding


(does this mean that I can eat chicken paremsan? xd blaugh )
man i hope so! i love that stuff!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:59 pm


kingpinsqeezels
darkphoenix1247
okay; thank you very much Nathan!! 3nodding


(does this mean that I can eat chicken paremsan? xd blaugh )
man i hope so! i love that stuff!


xd I used to eat it before I realized meat+dairy=unkosher, so I haven't had any, but it was soo good crying

darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain


Curiously Live Cat

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:03 pm


I've actually heard about most of those things before. Women are not obligated to take on many mitzvot, but that does not mean they are forbidden from doing so. I recieved a Talit and a set of Tefillin at my Bat Mitzvah; though I seldom use them because I do not attend very many morning services, I am always wearing them whenver I am in a service where they are required.

I have also heard another opinion as to why women are exempt from many Mitzvot, but I do not agree with it. I once heard that women are holier than men because they are capable of giving childbirth. Men need to perform certain Mitzvot to match that level of holiness. I do not agree with this opinion because I think all people are equally holy unless they do things to make themselves unholy. Holiness is not achieved just because one is of a certain sex. I have always believed that women were exempt from certain religious obligations because they were traditionally occupied with obligations in the household; but they are not forbidden from taking on the religious obligations as well.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:33 pm


Well, personally I'm waiting and looking foward to seeing what Zonko has to say. Great Job Nathan! I'm going to some research and add stuff where I can! THis was very informative and very well explaine, thanks Nathan!

Lady Pocky


Proudly_Jewish

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:33 pm


I don't think Judaism is sexist... my mum even told me that Jewish men who beat their wives are almost completely non-existant, is that true? blaugh I think Jews and Judaism are pretty nice to women.

Now, Islam on the other hand.... talk2hand do they even consider their women human? A woman who is raped is usually sent to jail while the man is let out free of charge! Also, in Muslim court 2 female witnesses are only counted as the equivalent of 1 male witness, because women are considered half as intelligent/capable of seeing properly as men scream
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:42 pm


Proudly_Jewish
I don't think Judaism is sexist... my mum even told me that Jewish men who beat their wives are almost completely non-existant, is that true? blaugh I think Jews and Judaism are pretty nice to women.

Now, Islam on the other hand.... talk2hand do they even consider their women human? A woman who is raped is usually sent to jail while the man is let out free of charge! Also, in Muslim court 2 female witnesses are only counted as the equivalent of 1 male witness, because women are considered half as intelligent/capable of seeing properly as men scream


Im not sure about Islam itself...but I do know that the people who claim to follow Islam do alot of things which really arent part of the religion...like cut out womens clitoris's...clitorises? clitorii?

Macaroni Jesus


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:49 pm


Donovinhs Knight
Proudly_Jewish
I don't think Judaism is sexist... my mum even told me that Jewish men who beat their wives are almost completely non-existant, is that true? blaugh I think Jews and Judaism are pretty nice to women.

Now, Islam on the other hand.... talk2hand do they even consider their women human? A woman who is raped is usually sent to jail while the man is let out free of charge! Also, in Muslim court 2 female witnesses are only counted as the equivalent of 1 male witness, because women are considered half as intelligent/capable of seeing properly as men scream


Im not sure about Islam itself...but I do know that the people who claim to follow Islam do alot of things which really arent part of the religion...like cut out womens clitoris's...clitorises? clitorii?


erm....That would not be pleasant...... sweatdrop

*tries to steer conversation away from male/female body parts.... xd *

soo....what do you guys think of male/female roles? Fair/unfair?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 2:50 pm


darkphoenix1247
erm....That would not be pleasant...... sweatdrop

*tries to steer conversation away from male/female body parts.... xd *


yes, it wouldnt. Human rights groups are all in a tizzy over it. ninja
anyhoo...sexism... xp

Macaroni Jesus


MANNOWAR

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:52 pm


Women can't be circumcized
no cir cumciusion=no covenant
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:53 pm


MANNOWAR
Women can't be circumcized
no cir cumciusion=no covenant

well theycan but that is just gross

MANNOWAR


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:11 pm


MANNOWAR
MANNOWAR
Women can't be circumcized
no cir cumciusion=no covenant

well theycan but that is just gross


xd
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:12 pm


MANNOWAR
Women can't be circumcized
no cir cumciusion=no covenant


Sooo... Are you trying to say that women have no covanent what so ever with G-d because that is absolutely absurd.

Lady Pocky


Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:32 am


Lady_Pocky
MANNOWAR
Women can't be circumcized
no cir cumciusion=no covenant


Sooo... Are you trying to say that women have no covanent what so ever with G-d because that is absolutely absurd.


cant remember if it was nathan or zonko who told me but...

dont women have a covenent because of the mens covenent? sweatdrop
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