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 Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:37 pm
Organic food.
Normaly people tend to think of it as some sort of end all and be all towards having healthy enviroment friendly food. But is it really?
When organic farming began, it was about producing food that tasted good, was produce in a natural manner, and suported local farming. It built strong connections between farmers and consumers. It was the most natural way to produce food.
However, today organic food is part of the mainstream diet. As such, the original ideals have been highly degraded. Today, organic means strictly no pesticides and no GM. Yet, most organic food is produce in large mass farm in california, using under paid illegal workers, drains preciouse water sources killing natural habitat, trucks its products across all of north america spewing mass amounts of fumes, and most of it is wraped in plastics which creat large amounts of toxia chemicals and pollution. At no point does it up holds the ideals of natural farming, and really is no better then regular produce. The use of pesticides and GM foods, was really the least of worries for the orginal founders of organic famring.
Today their are more otions then ever to get actualy organic food, that is produce localy, with mixed gardens,foods, that are kind on the enviroment, and pay fair wages to local famers and communities. However, in some ways vegans, and some vegetarians, may have difficulty with these farms. In order to turn a profit, and reamin within the ideals of organic famring, these farms include animals in thier system. Often using them for meat. Which could prove issue with some people.
So what is someone to do? While local organic famrs without animals do exsist, they are very rare, and possibly outside the bounds of ideal organic farming as without animals on a farm, outside unatural elements are required.
Regular organic, local organic, or just screw the whole thing and buy regular shopping centre produce.
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Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:16 pm
I buy a lot of organic foods. I go to the farmers market every saturday to get my produce. Sometimes I do say F it and just go to the regular store. My store that I go to is Ukrops. They mostly concentrate on organic, natural, healthy and whole foods. Although I would rather have the local farmers not kill their animals for meat or anything else if they have them, I do realize that some free range animals on the farm are beneficial to the crops being produced.
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Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:58 pm
considering the use of pestacides kills alot of beings (and ******** up the enviroment) and intensive harvesting methods are very deadly to insects, rodents, and birds small scale agriculture is far more vegan than conventionaly grow crap
most of my produce comes fro mthe dumpster and when i do buy Im pretty limitied by cost so i usually cant shop organic
having your own garden is good if you have that option
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Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2006 3:58 pm
Soymilk_Gun considering the use of pestacides kills alot of beings (and ******** up the enviroment) and intensive harvesting methods are very deadly to insects, rodents, and birds small scale agriculture is far more vegan than conventionaly grow crap most of my produce comes fro mthe dumpster and when i do buy Im pretty limitied by cost so i usually cant shop organic having your own garden is good if you have that option I do have my own small garden. Plenty of herbs so I don't have to buy from the store. I also started growing cucumbers so hopefully I will have some soon. That is about all I think my landlord will allow and I am kind of pushing it. I would grow more if I could, not only for the environment and animals but also I don't want other peoples kids grubby hands putting fingernail marks in my fruits and veggies. dramallama
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:09 am
My brother works at a farm where all they have is cats, no other animals. They produce organic food and sell it to supermarkets and local shops with no packaging, just the actual food. We get our vegetables from them. we're lucky. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:35 am
Soymilk_Gun considering the use of pestacides kills alot of beings (and ******** up the enviroment) and intensive harvesting methods are very deadly to insects, rodents, and birds small scale agriculture is far more vegan than conventionaly grow crap most of my produce comes fro mthe dumpster and when i do buy Im pretty limitied by cost so i usually cant shop organic having your own garden is good if you have that option I forgot that. Having your own small garden is probably one of the best things one can do. And I actualy happen to have a garden. dramallama
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Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:08 pm
wow, i never thought of that sad
but i still support organic products
(ima hypictrate)
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:31 pm
Organic plants, yes, but organic meat is plain evil, because these animals were raised specifically for food. sad
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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:39 pm
Well you mention of underpaid workers isn't really so much to do with the actual food, but by no means is it right. I think what people see/hear when something is labelled organic, is that it's not going to have those nasty pesticides. And then you mention of the packaging, that really is going to vary from each place. If you go to the farmers market, you're likely to just get the fruit/vegetable. Packaging comes more from mass production in which all your points are valid.
Anyways...I'll be having my own area in our public garden once I can plant them smile
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 4:05 pm
Buying regular is not the answer. Instead of choosing the minimum impact, you're saying, "Screw it, let's just do something that destroys the environment because it's easier."
No thank you.
I buy organic, which is LESS impactful than mass-farmed regular produce. Because most REGULAR produce is ALSO grown on California farms with underpaid workers, draining water, trucked all over the country, etc. So at LEAST you're cutting the pesticides and chemical fertilizers out of the equation.
I buy locally grown organic WHENEVER POSSIBLE. You say there aren't many such farms but... well, there sure are a lot around here, and most don't breed animals. I am not sure where you got that information. Maybe you live somewhere with little agriculture, in which case ANY produce you'll be getting is from far away, organic or non.
Anyway, organic is less impact than regular produce, and local organic is less impact than mass-produced impact.
To me, the question has a very very simple answer.
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Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:08 pm
Okay well...
I like to eat some organic things... like milk... actually mainly milk... ninja
Everything else I eat is just regular.
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:29 pm
When I can I do. When I can't I don't. I prefer organic if I can manage it. Even if it is just no pesticides, that's something too, you know?
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:18 pm
There's a really nice organic farm just outside of our neighborhood. I've never seen them selling meat, either. So yeah, we get our food from them most of the time, unless it's like, winter.
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:15 am
i buy organic when i get the chance to, i don't like eating something that has thousands of unknown chemicals in it
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:00 am
Well thats got me thinking. I have no idea as to how it all works in the UK so I think it's research time.
I tend to buy all my fruit and veg from the local market as I know I'm supporting local farmers then. Otherwise I go for the organic range on everything else. I'm hoping to start a little vegetable patch at some point but I've got to make sure my landlord is ok with a bunch of students tearing up the back garden rofl
I do a lot of my shopping at Sainsbury's and they're very good for marking their products clearly. They also support fair trade and have a large organic section (despite the store near me being kind of small).
http://www.jsorganic.co.uk
I have no idea if anyone else is interested but I'm having a browse through it at the moment.
I feel a bit useless in this debate but oh well.
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