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ImNotaFashionStatment

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:58 pm


Ok I was at a resturante with some of my friends the other day. Now one of those after the winning game dinner thing where all the kids on a team go someplace to eat. Now when having to wait in line with some of these kids, I heard one say " hahahahaha your a girl!". Now as soon as I heard that, I was thinking "so what?". But that made me realize that all kids when growing up think boys are better. I only have one idea of why that is so, but before that I think that attitude has caused a major impact on womens rights movements. I mean when growing up you base your life off what you learn. So if kids are growing up with "hahahaha your a girl!", how can we expect to get any where with any civil rights movements?

And for the reason of this, I think that it is because back in the olden days, when being born a girl, you were born with many disadvantages. I'm sure we all know how most of them didn't attend school and all that stuff so im not going to list them. But maybe it has just become a social truth for kids of that age.

That brings me to my next subject, We need to teach them that girls are not worse or anyone for that sort. I don't know if they are already doing that, but if they are they are doing a shitty job at it.

EDIT: sorry, what are your thoughts about this?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:17 pm


I'm not exactly sure as to your purpose for this thread but I am going to comment on your topic. It is very true that as we grow up we basically do learn from our parents/gaurdian/teachers that girls have the disadvantage in life because they are girls. Those people we learn from grew up when it was expected that girls would raise families, stay home, and the like. Also as we grow up we learn from outside sources that there's more to life than that. That it is possible for us to accomplish more. In order for the cival rights movements to move forward all we need to do is to doubt what we were taught by our life teacher and realize that there is more out there. And when we hear of people telling us there's more we need to believe in them. Then life shall move forward.

ron-and-mee


ImNotaFashionStatment

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:10 am


That is true, but I don't think that little kids 8-11 doubt things in their life that often. So what I'm saying is people need to teach them these things.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:21 am


A lot of people seem to think that in this day and age there's no need for feminism. That we've achieved equality of the sexes.

Bull s**t.

The entire world is still, and will continue to be for our lifetimes, a patriarchal society. So long as the world continues to have an imbalance of power between men and women, in favor of men, women will continue to be valued less. They continue to have less political, economic, and physical power. Everything is still dominated by men.

Then there's culture. Which has not improved at all, really, since the women's rights movement. Women are still treated with a stereotype of domesticisity, passivity, sensitivity, etc. When you flip on your TV and watch commercials for toys, you still see exclusively boys playing with the trucks and girls with barbies. For me, I'll know things have changed when we actually see commercials for kids toys with equal ratios of boys and girls... regardless of the product they're advertizing.

Then, of course, there's the sex objectification of women, which is encouraged by the media, and especially the porn industry. Now, if sex objectification of men was equally prevalant, I wouldn't have so many issues with the porn industry. But as it stands, it sends pretty offensive messages.

So in short, so long as we continue to have male dominance in fields of power, perpetuate gender stereotypes, and sexually objectify women more than men, the problem will not end. I certainly don't expect it to in my generation. But as a woman and an unconventional one at that, I'm sure going to be making my contribution to reverse these trends. Look at a person not as man or woman... look at them simply as what they are... HUMAN.

Starlock


ImNotaFashionStatment

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:14 pm


Amen to that brother, I just wish kids could learn that when growing up crying .
PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:24 pm


Hmmm... I don't really remember anyone treating me differently because I was a girl when I was/am growing up. Sure, they would laugh at me becuase I threw up saying the pledge of allegience in kindergarten, but no sexism that I can recall.

I suppose some people still do grow up with that idea. Over all, however, it is being eliminated rather rapidly considering the general audience which we're dealing with. Ex.- I am a girl.(obviously) I have ambitions of become the first female president. (don't laugh becuase that would be backing up the theory I'm apposed to here) There isn't a person I know who thinks I won't do it. They have never turned off my ambitions becuase I was a girl or any other reason because I am perfectly capable. (even if my spelling is bad...)

So there you go. No blatent sexist views at McKnight Elementary/Ingomar Middle folks. Not that it doesn't exist elsewhere in life.

bonkiep


ron-and-mee

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:08 am


Starlock
A lot of people seem to think that in this day and age there's no need for feminism. That we've achieved equality of the sexes.

Bull s**t.

The entire world is still, and will continue to be for our lifetimes, a patriarchal society. So long as the world continues to have an imbalance of power between men and women, in favor of men, women will continue to be valued less. They continue to have less political, economic, and physical power. Everything is still dominated by men.


This is quite true. I actually have a very hard time picturing a time when women and men would actually achieve equality at all. There are enough women out there who play to a point the role of the incredibly girly girl who dampen the efforts of those of us who aren't so much who are working for equality.
PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:56 am


ron-and-mee


This is quite true. I actually have a very hard time picturing a time when women and men would actually achieve equality at all. There are enough women out there who play to a point the role of the incredibly girly girl who dampen the efforts of those of us who aren't so much who are working for equality.


It makes me *really* sad when I see threads regularily cycling through ED that bash feminism. Although many of these kids don't understand what feminism is, it's still depressing they can't see it. But then, if they can't see it, maybe that's a good thing??? I dunno. When all psychological studies are still proving unconscious gender biases in hiring, among other things, feminism has a long way to go to reaching it's goal. xp

Starlock


ImNotaFashionStatment

PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:05 pm


I think they should show one of those corny movies to children where there is the anti-womens rights kid/teenager/adult/whatever who is sent back into time when they had no rights. Stupid s**t liek that seems to be the only thing that can reach the retards today.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:00 pm


Sexism is rooted in sexuality. The opression of women is insidious because it is so difficult to actually pin down and define. It is a myriad of social and emotional facets of our culture that we are raised to accept. It is virtually impossible to be equal in a society entrenched in a disparity of the sexes.

One of the reasons contraception and abortion are such hot topics is because there is a part of the issue that deals with the woman's right to freedom. When women can control their sexuality and their reproductive capacity, they will achieve a much greater measure of equality than the sham we currently have adopted. Pregnancy, as well as the fear of it, serve as a restriction on women's social power. Men have been using our ability to bear children against us for centuries.

Marilyn Frye wrote an article that described what Frye termed "The Birdcage Metaphor" in reference to opression. She described a system that limited gender and ethnic groups in such a way that no one issue was truly the issue of the problem but rather the aforementioned social stigmas under which we are brought up in and accept as cultural norms. Sexism is rooted in our culture, not in our particular attitudes.

In fact, the bars of this cage are so difficult to see that it may not even occur to some women that they are even in a cage. Children don't egage in sexism as a matter of personal distaste for the gender but rather because they are opperating off of set ideas about what it is to be male and female. It is hardly a comforting thought.

Anyway, that's my rant. Sorry if I got off topic.

Aesh


Trumpster

PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:23 am


It all leads back to the stone age and natural instincts. The women cannot be particuarly active while bearing a child so they have always been the one to watch the children and raise them while the males go out and gather the food for the tribe.

With many species this is also the same but with slight differences being that the females are often quite capable of defending themselves and the young when attacked so they are less dependant on the males to be nearby.

With lions however, and others that I haven't looked into, I believe it is the female's job to go out and hunt while the males defend the pregnant females and the young. This is most likely where the first ideas of feminine dominance and specifically the idea of huntresses and amazon females first came about.
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