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 Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 7:35 am
welcome to my responsa. this responsa is for subjects that are pertaining to Jewish law. you'll have the honor to start and ask questions.i'm sure that everyone in this guild will be happy to ask and even happier to answer our questions.
DEAR MODS!!!
i hope that you like this idea.
and now, lets start!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:04 am
Why aren't men and women supposed to danse together? sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:47 am
oh, you can dance, but not touch each other rofl ...
well, actually, the torah forbid us to touch girls, because it's close to sexual relations, that is also forbidden.
this prohibition is comming from the passage in Leviticus (third book of Bible, a.k.a "Va-ikra").
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:52 am
Because it weakens the border-line the rabbis tried to instill between men and women. There is a reason for that border - It's to keep the sense of toutch special and meaningfull for when the man or a woman marries the spouse they will stay with for the rest of their life. The sense of toutch is something holy, that should be preserved for people who have a goal, a shared dream, a point behind the toutching - that is, a wife, and her husband. If a man or a woman dulls this sense, they deprive themselves from that level of specialness they could have had if they hadn't dulled it beforehand on less-worthy women or men before finding the one they will stay with forever, and feeling that rare and special bond that had been preserved.
People that live in a society where toutch between men and woman is something normal (and even encouraged), will obviously dissagree with me. Of course, this is because they don't feel they are effected or missing anything, after all, what was there? The truth is, they are missing something, and it takes someone who has it to tell you so. The rabbies were not fools, they knew what they were talking about. I can see the wisdom in their words every day.
Speaking as a jew from an orthodox society where the only girls you actually talk to are from your family (and even in that case, very little), the sense of toutch of the opposite gender is something that effects ALOT. I am glad I saved it for the person I love, and I plan to preserve it for her heart .
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:11 am
Why is it always a problem to have a mind of your own.
Its seems like everything that feels good to me is against torah. Seems like everythign that feels good is against torah so instead of doing what i beleive in i have to be a robot and follow what some dude wrote in a book. why is that?
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:13 am
I think it's a cool idea, but that's just me-somebody else feel free to post if they think it isn't. However, I'm going to edit the title blaugh
What is the significance of the Star of David/Jewish star? I mean, I know it's important to Judaism, but how was it created?
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:22 pm
Akhilles Why is it always a problem to have a mind of your own. is it? but wouldn't one say such a thing to one's father when said father forbids one to get a tatoo? and doesn't one realise, eventually, that one's father was right? w007, socratesQuote: Its seems like everything that feels good to me is against torah. one of the major goals in one's life is to control one's desires. of course, it's natural for one to want to divulge his base desires. who wouldn't want to eat, sleep, and ******** all day? after all, it's only human. but humans without torah are only animals, albeit extraordinarly inteligent ones. just meat and chemicals. Quote: Seems like everythign that feels good is against torah so instead of doing what i beleive in i have to be a robot and follow what some dude wrote in a book. why is that? a)either things aren't the way they seem, or you're too focused on "feeling good" b)what are your beliefs based on? where do you get them and what do you believe in? c)"some dude"? stare you do raise some good points, though
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 9:44 am
Finally Zonko speaks. Im Asking this because im reading a very good book called Freedom From the known.
Im raising this question because when we're born, we're forced into study of torah, its not liek you hade a choice, your forced into beleiving all about the stories that "happenned". The First thing your taught you beleive. And if you strive to open your eyes more and look at different stuff, its against religion, blasphemy at times. I never said anything about sex. But lets say i want to be happy by not getting married. Against torah. Lets say i want to be happy by living for the earth and beleiving in mother nature, its against torah, and is wrong to you, why? because you we're taught to judge against it, your not taught to see it without judgement.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:02 am
Question 1: Is you talking bout them 613 rules?
Question 2: If so, arent a good chunk (not all, just a chunk) not useable anymore cause of no purely theocratic state of israel, no more temple and a bunch of other things that would interfere with modern laws?
Please dont let Zonko hurt me eek
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 11:08 am
yes, we were "forced", as you said, to beleive the stories that happend. but it seems that you can't be forced to beleive that though.
nevertheless, you can't live the way you want, because you'll be sorry for that. a person needs something to guide him. for me, that something is the torah. for you, my friend, i really don't know...
hope you understand, josh, that i'm telling this to you because i'm worried about you, and not because i want you to be insulted or something like that...
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:17 pm
If you don't want to be a Torah-observant Jew, nobody is going to make you. I don't understand what the argument going on is about.
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:14 pm
Shoujo Kakumei J-chan If you don't want to be a Torah-observant Jew, nobody is going to make you. I don't understand what the argument going on is about. Mr. Universe zoe, you sultry minx, stop making me fall in love with you
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:25 pm
Donovinhs Knight Question 1: Is you talking bout them 613 rules? Question 2: If so, arent a good chunk (not all, just a chunk) not useable anymore cause of no purely theocratic state of israel, no more temple and a bunch of other things that would interfere with modern laws?
Please dont let Zonko hurt me eek another good point, actually. there are four obligations to each mitzvah: to learn, to teach, to keep, and to do. to learn and to teach are essentially the same thing, but they involve two different roles, the teacher and the student, rebber and talmid. to keep is to literally keep the mitzvah (this will make sense later. nevertheless, naphtali will fill in the gaps, i'm sure). to do is the actually fullfillment of the mitzvah. the mitzvah of shabbos is an excellent example of this. when one learns and teaches the laws of shabbos, one is fullfilling the first two parts. keeping shabbos is keeping it-preserving it's holiness, internalising the mitzvah. and the "doing" would include preparation, eating meat and wine, having three meals, hearing torah reading, etc. so while we cannot, for the duration of this exile, fullfill the fourth part, we can and do teach and learn the laws of the beis hamikdash, and we keep them as prayer (on the whole, but not entirely, a substitute for the offerings and services performed in the beis hamikdash)
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:36 pm
Akhilles Finally Zonko speaks. Im Asking this because im reading a very good book called Freedom From the known. Im raising this question because when we're born, we're forced into study of torah, its not liek you hade a choice, your forced into beleiving all about the stories that "happenned". The First thing your taught you beleive. And if you strive to open your eyes more and look at different stuff, its against religion, blasphemy at times. I never said anything about sex. But lets say i want to be happy by not getting married. Against torah. Lets say i want to be happy by living for the earth and beleiving in mother nature, its against torah, and is wrong to you, why? because you we're taught to judge against it, your not taught to see it without judgement. as children, yes. you are absolutely correct. when my three year old daughter will ask me something, i may very well just tell her "because Hashem said so". but this is a three year old. of course i can't explain to her the intricasies of whatever the answer may be. she simply won't understand. and not understanding, having something that one's mind cannot process, is a terrible thing. so yes, we do tell children things, we do not explain, and we do not expect them to understand, only to accept. again, this is a child. aristotle himself said, after forty years of plumbing the depths of meaning, faith, and life, that all his works should be destroyed, as he had just arrived at the level of a three year old. aristotle, according to the rambam, had acheived the highest level of chuchmah (wisdom) humanly possible, that is to say, without Divine assistance. ultimately, inevitably, this discussion boils down to belief in Hashem. and if you don't have faith in the Almighty, then nothing i can say will change that.
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:10 am
ZonkotheSane Akhilles Finally Zonko speaks. Im Asking this because im reading a very good book called Freedom From the known. Im raising this question because when we're born, we're forced into study of torah, its not liek you hade a choice, your forced into beleiving all about the stories that "happenned". The First thing your taught you beleive. And if you strive to open your eyes more and look at different stuff, its against religion, blasphemy at times. I never said anything about sex. But lets say i want to be happy by not getting married. Against torah. Lets say i want to be happy by living for the earth and beleiving in mother nature, its against torah, and is wrong to you, why? because you we're taught to judge against it, your not taught to see it without judgement. as children, yes. you are absolutely correct. when my three year old daughter will ask me something, i may very well just tell her "because Hashem said so". but this is a three year old. of course i can't explain to her the intricasies of whatever the answer may be. she simply won't understand. and not understanding, having something that one's mind cannot process, is a terrible thing. so yes, we do tell children things, we do not explain, and we do not expect them to understand, only to accept. again, this is a child. aristotle himself said, after forty years of plumbing the depths of meaning, faith, and life, that all his works should be destroyed, as he had just arrived at the level of a three year old. aristotle, according to the rambam, had acheived the highest level of chuchmah (wisdom) humanly possible, that is to say, without Divine assistance. ultimately, inevitably, this discussion boils down to belief in Hashem. and if you don't have faith in the Almighty, then nothing i can say will change that. i do beleive in God theres no doubt about that. But i do feel that you dont need to follow a certain patern in order to pray to him, if i want to pray to him, I want to stay stuff thats from my heart, not stuff thats been written on paper and everyone in the room is saying the exact same thing.
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