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 Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:42 pm
I read the book "Crank" today, it inspired many thoughts and emotions in me. After thinking about it one of my main things that i learned from is it is taht A mother child bond is the strongest possible thing that can influance someone. I know that didn't make sense, but think about it this way. Mothers would give anything they own and sacrafice themselvs to save their baby.
Now I didn't think that this was true at first, but I then realized why this has to be true. Now my reason is purly based of of my own opinion of why humans exist; however, people do have to agree if they have an ounce of logic in them that the desire to mate and keep the human race alive is a strong one. Any way, the thing that I base this off of is that the humans soul purpose is to mate and and all that good stuff.
Ok, so if that is the main reason that we are here, or however you want to put it, than the wanting to save a baby or raise one would have to be the strongest since our purpose on the earth is based off it. Our whole evolution was based on serving our purpose more effectivly. So these feelings must have been there for a reason, and since that it would be our main goal to raise a child, it would be our main desire to raise a child as well.
I know it doesn't make much sense, I really couldn't find the right way to put it into words. But hink about it , it makes sense.
What are your thoughts about this?
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:06 pm
I can't remember off the top of my head, but there are examples of this in nonhuman animals as well. But since I can't remember them, I'll go right to my second point (laughs).
Behavior is heritable. Not genetically determined (which would mean 100% heritence) but it does have strong genetic components. Most of the time when people think genetics, they think the physical, not the psychological. Behaviors are just as influenced by genes as our physical selves like the length of our fingers on each hand and the color of our hair. Problem is, scientists have a hard time seperating out how much of a behavior has been genetically determined versus environmentally conditioned. These two factors are knit together more tightly than than spandex! If you try and pull them apart, you just strech them, not seperate them completely.
Of course, behaviors that would help ensure the survival of the species, such as the child protection instincts you bring up, would be selected for through evolution. Not all of our evolution was directed towards this, of course, but it probably was among the selective pressures.
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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:24 pm
That is true, but I think that it is the strongest pressure their is. I mean what other emotion or instinct could there be that better helps the survival of the human race?
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:22 am
ImNotaFashionStatment That is true, but I think that it is the strongest pressure their is. I mean what other emotion or instinct could there be that better helps the survival of the human race? Fear. I don't think I need to elaborate on this one. wink
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:44 am
Starlock ImNotaFashionStatment That is true, but I think that it is the strongest pressure their is. I mean what other emotion or instinct could there be that better helps the survival of the human race? Fear. I don't think I need to elaborate on this one. wink What do people fear? death, suffering? I've have seen and heard many many where people have sacraficed their life for baby, and suffered as much as having to go through withdrawl of drugs just to help their baby.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:33 am
ImNotaFashionStatment What do people fear? death, suffering? I've have seen and heard many many where people have sacraficed their life for baby, and suffered as much as having to go through withdrawl of drugs just to help their baby. Aah, I think I was going to write a File on this but didn't quite get around to it. I think I wrote it as a journal entry... (digs it up) Okay... to quote something I wrote in January this year... Quote: Every so often, one has moments where one reflects on life and suddenly sees with clarity where one stands. And how what one has is so precious, one never wants things to change. But things WILL change, and one is aware of that fact. That these things one treasures will one day be gone. So there is a sense of odd nostalgia, looking at the present. It might then overtake the mind, manifest into fear. A paralyzing fear of loosing everything one has right at this very moment... and knowing that it will happen in the future with 100% certainty. In that moment, one forgets these changes can be gradual, and the stress of them eased. One forgets that in the demise of the present, lies a future. And that future holds new blisses... new things to hold sacred and to love. All that is forgotten, and all one thinks of is that fact of death that awaits. And knowing the moments of now, when death was far and blisses of the moment eternalized in that frozen rumination, will be dim, sad, memories, never to be experienced with their initial passion, love, and joy ever again. I think this sort of fear has gripped the hearts of many, if not all humans. Some call it fear of death, but really, all that fear of death is, is fear of change. Fear of change that results in the loss of what one loves, be it a person, place, or thing. We like things to stay the same. To feel secure. For our blisses manifested in loved ones to be eternal and never die. That pretty much sums up my opinion on the true source of fear. There's more to this entry than this, but this is enough to get the point across.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:36 pm
Well, the point I was trying to make, of these fears of changing, the one specific fear of change that I think is strongest is the fear of losing a baby or the moments of having a baby.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:15 am
ImNotaFashionStatment Well, the point I was trying to make, of these fears of changing, the one specific fear of change that I think is strongest is the fear of losing a baby or the moments of having a baby. Well, I certainly wouldn't know personally, but from what I've heard, self-preservation is by far the most modivating fear, not that of someone else around you, no matter WHO they are.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:03 pm
To some mothers who really care about their child, that is their self preservation. Without em' they would go plain insane.(this is just off a few cases I heard, I don't know for sure.) Haven't you ever heard about when a women's child die they get all deppressed don't eat and what not. My sister said that if she ever had to have an abortion that she would probably kill her self. That seems just a tad strong to me.
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:20 pm
A baby is (worth) more than the newest gaming console, that's definite.
So, a baby becomes more of a part of one's life, especially the mom's, where not only are the animal maternal instincts are kicking in for the baby, but the emotional ones, where the baby has become a pride and joy, a real chunk of the mother's life, because what she is passed into the child. (MGS2: SOL/SUB, final cinematics). Losing not only a part of the routine, but a part of oneself, is more than losing part of a arm or leg, but more like losing the ability to think abstractly, being able to play fast-paced games, losing who you are in the world.
Perhaps it's all about creating offspring. Maybe we are indeed primal beings. Then the maternal instinct would be quite and completely justified.
On fear: Societies have moved on the basis of fear. I'm sure you have read up on these. Preservation, especially, is a moving factor: Either you obey and lose a finger, or you disobey and lose your baby. A mother in that position, where she thinks that the baby holds more stock in the future (and taking into account the maternal instinct, of course) would rather lose the finger.
((Oww... my brain hurts.))
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