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 Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:52 pm
Disclaimer The thoughts in these following posts are not ment to change oppinions, or toe mirror the oppinions of all feminist, such as abortion. This thread was only meant to inform about feminism and it's acheivments and it's importance to our community. And I would like to say that even though one may think that a place such as this could be somewhere one could go to express their oppinions without getting attacked but in reality this is not entirely true. Everyone has their own oppinions. If any one of you want to express them, then all I ask is that you read everything before commenting and when you do comment please use common sense and express your oppinions in a respectful manner. Meaning, dont open your ******** mouth without thinking.
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:13 pm
Last monday, I started back to school. Yes, Im in-rolled into summer courses because I needed to have some brush ups in math but I also needed other classes that would fill up 9 hours of required credits for the summer. One of my classes is American Women's Studies. Basically, it's a class on Feminism, our feelings, the way our body works... ect. Right now we're doing feminism which is women's equality in society, not just here in America but it's growing all over the world. Also, it just doesn't cover women's equality, it covers equality for ALL people, including the LGBT community.
Before I start, I'd like to share some information about feminism. For those of you who dont know what feminism is, feminism "refers to the beliefe that women have been historically subordinate to men, as well as to the commitment to working for the freedom for women in all aspects of social life." (Kesselman, McNair, Schniedewind 11) But it's evolved and it's more than just women's rights. Feminism is paving the way for all cultures. Including the gay community.
The feminist movement has come in three waves. The first wave was acheiving women's suffrage (the right to vote) which began in the 1840s or 1850s and lasted untill 1920 (the day we won suffrage). The second wave was acheiving education and employment equality, and reproductive freedom which was around the 1960s and 1970s. The third wave I believe it started in the mid 1980s and has continued since. So yes, we are currently living in the third wave of feminism. Which brings us to the Manifesta.
Update: After the Manifesta, when I get the time I will be adding other interesting essays and short stories from my Women's Studies book for you all to enjoy. blaugh
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:14 pm
Manifesta: A Thirteen-point Agenda
1. To out unacknowledged feminists, specifically those who are younger, so that Gemeration X can become a visible movement and, further, a voting block of eighteen- to forty-year-olds.
2. To safeguard a woman's right to bear or not ot bear a child, regardless of circumstances, including women who are younger than eighteen or impoverished. To preserve this right throughout her life and support the choice to be childless.
3. To make explicit that the fight for reproductive rights must iclude birth control; the right for poor women and lesbians to have children; partner adoption for gay couples: subsidized fertility treatments for all women who choose them: and freedom from sterilization abuse. Furthermore, to support the idea that sex can be ---- and usually is ---- for pleasure, not procreation.
4. To bring down the double standard in sex and sexual health, and foster male responsibility and assertiveness in the following areas: achieving freedom from STDs; more fairly dividing the burden of family planning as well as responsibilities such as child care; and eliminating violence against women.
5. To tap into and raise awareness of our revolutionary history, and the fact that almost all movements began as youth movements. To have access to our intellectual feminist legacy and women's hisory: for the classics of radical feminism, womanism, mujeristas, womens's liberation, and all our roots to remain in print; and to have women's history taught to men as well as women as a part of all curricula.
6. To support and increase the visibility and power of lesbians and bisexual women in the feminist movement, in high schools, colleges, and the workplace. To recognize that queer women have always been at the forefront of the feminist movement, and that there is nothing to be gained --- and much to be lost --- by down-playing their history, whether inadvertently or actively.
7. To practice "autokeonony" ("self in community"): to see activism not as a choice between self and community but as a link between them that creates balance.
8. To have equal access to health care, regardless of income, which includes coverage equivalent to men's and keeping in mind that women use the system more often than men do because of our reproductive capacity.
9. For women who so desire to participate in all reaches of the military, including combat, and to enjoy all the benefits (loans, health care, pensions) offered to it's members for as long as we continue to have an active military. The largest expenditure of our national budget goes toward maintaining this welfare system, and feminists have a duty to make sure women have access to every echelon.
10. To liberate adolescents from slut-bashing, listless educators, sexual harassment, and bullying at school, as well as violence in all walks of life, and the silence that hangs over adolescents' heads, often keeping them isolated, lonely, and indifferent to the world.
11. To make the workplace responsive to an individual's wants, needs, and talents. This includes valuing (monetarily) stay-at-home parents, aiding employees who want to spend more time with family and continue to work, equalizing pay for jobs of comparable worth, enacting a minimum wage that would bring a full-time worker with two children over the poverty line, and providing employee benefits for freelance and part-time workers.
12. To acknowledge that, although feminists may have disparate values, we share the same goal of equality, and of supporting one another in our efforts to gain the power to make our own choices.
13. To pass the Equal Rights Amendment so that we can have a constitutional fundation of righteousness and equality upon which future women's rights conventions will stand. (2000)
I would like to credit Amy Kesselman, Lily McNair, and Nancy Schniedewind for this information which you can find in "Women images & realities"
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:38 pm
~This thread is now open for discussion~
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:26 am
AkureiKnight Disclaimer The thoughts in these following posts are not ment to change oppinions, or toe mirror the oppinions of all feminist, such as abortion. This thread was only meant to inform about feminism and it's acheivments and it's importance to our community. And I would like to say that even though one may think that a place such as this could be somewhere one could go to express their oppinions without getting attacked but in reality this is not entirely true. Everyone has their own oppinions. If any one of you want to express them, then all I ask is that you read everything before commenting and when you do comment please use common sense and express your oppinions in a respectful manner. Meaning, dont open your ******** mouth without thinking. i take offence to that. i sat here and pespectfully explained myself in detail but you went and revoked my opinion from here just because it won't agree. you didn't atleast ask me to move it so you could put the rest. i did open my mouth after thinking, but you hurt someone else without caring! evil
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:11 am
Spartan-4202 AkureiKnight Disclaimer The thoughts in these following posts are not ment to change oppinions, or toe mirror the oppinions of all feminist, such as abortion. This thread was only meant to inform about feminism and it's acheivments and it's importance to our community. And I would like to say that even though one may think that a place such as this could be somewhere one could go to express their oppinions without getting attacked but in reality this is not entirely true. Everyone has their own oppinions. If any one of you want to express them, then all I ask is that you read everything before commenting and when you do comment please use common sense and express your oppinions in a respectful manner. Meaning, dont open your ******** mouth without thinking. i take offence to that. i sat here and pespectfully explained myself in detail but you went and revoked my opinion from here just because it won't agree. you didn't atleast ask me to move it so you could put the rest. i did open my mouth after thinking, but you hurt someone else without caring! evil Spartan did you even LISTEN to what you said? You said "Sex was about babymaking" in the middle of a bunch of queers. Do you have any idea how riot inducing that was? It's like carying a swastika into a synagogue.
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:23 pm
Sparty.. Excuse me. I didn't delete the thread because of what you said. For all I care you can repost what you said. This is my thread and I will do with it as I will as long as it follows TOS and the guild rules. Plus, you didnt have the common decency to let me FINISH before you started to attack only one small part of this huge pile of information. And let me remind you that the first thing that came out of your mouth was that the statement on abortion or that the person who wrote the information (OR maybe you even meant me) was along the lines of horrible (not exaclty what you said but I know it was along those lines). This thread wasnt even BASED on abortion. This is feminism in general and what women have and are still trying to achieve. Did you EVEN read all this other stuff I typed up?
And just so you know, that statement wasnt JUST for YOU. It is for everyone to read and to understand that Im not going to take disrespectful comments.
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:28 am
BakaTulip Spartan-4202 AkureiKnight Disclaimer The thoughts in these following posts are not ment to change oppinions, or toe mirror the oppinions of all feminist, such as abortion. This thread was only meant to inform about feminism and it's acheivments and it's importance to our community. And I would like to say that even though one may think that a place such as this could be somewhere one could go to express their oppinions without getting attacked but in reality this is not entirely true. Everyone has their own oppinions. If any one of you want to express them, then all I ask is that you read everything before commenting and when you do comment please use common sense and express your oppinions in a respectful manner. Meaning, dont open your ******** mouth without thinking. i take offence to that. i sat here and pespectfully explained myself in detail but you went and revoked my opinion from here just because it won't agree. you didn't atleast ask me to move it so you could put the rest. i did open my mouth after thinking, but you hurt someone else without caring! evil Spartan did you even LISTEN to what you said? You said "Sex was about babymaking" in the middle of a bunch of queers. Do you have any idea how riot inducing that was? It's like carying a swastika into a synagogue. fist off, i just meant that heterosexual sex, resulting in a birth, and then anbortion is wrong. And if you've ever listened in your biology class, the main things that drives animal species is is the continuing of their genetics. Now as human being we've moved past that. With more that 8 billion people living on this planet, our species would not go exstinct if a bunch of us decided not to have kids, either by means of birth control(NOT ABORTION), same sex relations, chastity etc. Besides my main problem with what AkureiKnight wrote, is that feminism has many fundamental problems claiming that women have benn "historically subordinate to men". What about the queens of the Niles, or queens of England. Those were women who TOOK charge. Who, despite what they were told about women never being able to lead, were some of history's best heads of state. Damn fine leaders, but only because they took charge. Look at all the female CEOs, business managers, shop owners and flat out millionaires. And tell me that women have a harder time making it in this world. With affimitive action in place, many colleges are turning down qualified males just fill their female quota. (Thanks a lot ACLU) I apologize if i come of a little offending but most feminists i've come across are out right Feminazis. Because does a girl who gets herself knocked up her freshmen year, really deserve to become a CEO or business manager? if she cared that little of herself to not use protection, or just to say "NO" that how can we honestly justify giving her greater resposibility or power? Same thing with men, he gets her knocked up, but can't take care of the baby: we can't trust him either. ( Disclaimer: this does not include rape, because no woman predicts or plans for that. and it is not fair that they be stigmatized for that. it's not their fault. plain and simple) Ok, and as far as women in the military, i agree with you. If she can fire a weapon, take a 260lb man down with her bare hands, and keep up, then women should be allowed in combat. the enemy doesn't care who they kill, man or woman. I belive that any individual, regardless of age,sex, sexual identity/orientation, creed, color has the opportunity to succeed. if they want it bad enough. FIN
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:17 pm
Spartan, just because you believe it, doesn't mean it's true. And YES women have historically IN WESTERN SOCIETY BEEN LOWER THAN MEN. There have only been a few ******** handfuls of those queens. Just because there were a few doesn't mean anything.
And don't differentiate between gay sex and straight sex. Sex is sex. It's about showing love. And NO METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL IS 100% EFFECTIVE, just because a condom broke and a woman wanted a career and was not ready for a baby YOU want her to have it and ruin her life. (This happened to a friend of mine, and she wasn't even the unwanted child, her brother was, and her mother takes out her ruined life by making her kids suffer) Learn a few things before you go around sounding like an a**. Plus a fetus is not a baby and not a citizen.
Spartan I'm seriously on the verge of losing my patience, this completely goes against the rules of the guild.
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:11 pm
Im sorry.. but I dont appreciate this being locked without me having the chance to state my oppinions.
Spartan, for one those are not my oppinions, two you know NOTHING of true feminism. Feminism is a mixture between women's studies, women's political role, women's social role in our society. Women today are still being abused. Women are still being sexually assaulted, raped, sexually harrassed in the work place. Women are still being told, in little ways like having pink clothes and playing with Barbies, what they have to look like to be beautiful. If women dont meet certain standards in our society then they're ugly. And your comment about meeting feminist that came across as feminazis was wrong and sterotypical. That's ok though, as long as we're not talking about Christians right?
Granted, there have been queens before.. In Japan women used to be idolized before China brought their influence. But this is the 21st century, and this is America and we still have a long way to go before we fully destroy the concept of what a woman is "supposed" to be.
This was supposed to be more educational than anything. But you see here how closed mindedness has completely stopped any type of experiance such as this. I was hoping that I could even share more knoweledge about feminism as my class continued and I began learning more.
And to finish this.. Im really disapointed and pissed off. REALLY pissed off. I just cannot believe that I cant even come to a GSA (which is supposed to be a pretty open minded place) and make a simple thread on feminism without having my head bashed in. THIS kind of thing makes me not want to talk at all anymore, especially since every little problem that comes along is locked.
Im making this a sticky. I want everyone who actually pays attention to read this .... this crap that people with "different" oppinions has to deal with. This is just ******** sad.
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:02 pm
Also we still have affirmative action because without it a lot of women would NOT GET JOBS AT ALL. Same with minorities. Sorry if for once the straight, white man get's the short end of the stick.
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:59 pm
ABORTION: Baby killing. Clean and simple. it is the termination of another human life. Get over it. Terms like "Pro-choice" maight make you feel better about what you do, but it's still killing babies. Enough said on that.
Feminism: A way of taking the frustations of your female ancestors and try and make it your own. Just because they suffered doesn't mean you suffer in the same ways. Get past that. Just as you want us to belive that "once the straight, white man get's the short end of the stick", as it pompously was put, think of how many time he gets screwed over. How many men have been falsey accused by women of sexual misconduct. Their lives ruined. Careers ended. Lets go to a personal exsample. My friend, Randy, his father was accused of sexual assault in 1998. Convicted, court marshalled from the Air Force, and sentenced for 4 years in prison. After being poroled (on the 3rd year) he went back home, (as a registered sex offender) and tried to push his life back together. What happened. She came out late last year to admit that she lied. Why? To get back at him for calling off their engagement. To this day he has yet to speak to his son. Getting the picture? The law constently take the word of females over that of men more times than the adverage femme-nazi would allow you to belive. How many men, good fathers, denied the right to see their own child grown up, simply because the mother sheds a few tears is court because he asked to see them twice a month. or because he's gay. or bacause the mother makes up any number of lies against him. So think twice twice before the first words of, "Sorry if for once the straight, white man get's the short end of the stick. " comes out. Honestly. Heart, brain, mouth. It's really works a lot better in that order.
And if you bothered to notice for 2 seconds: i wasn't "bashing" feminism, i was protesting, Femme-nazism. that's all.
Dismount your high horses and perhaps we can dicuss this tread for it's good, and bad points. without threats. without verbal abuse. without anger. sound good?
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:08 pm
BakaTulip And NO METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL IS 100% EFFECTIVE, just because a condom broke and a woman wanted a career and was not ready for a baby YOU want her to have it and ruin her life. (This happened to a friend of mine, and she wasn't even the unwanted child, her brother was, and her mother takes out her ruined life by making her kids suffer) Learn a few things before you go around sounding like an a**. Plus a fetus is not a baby and not a citizen. Any adult who is going to have heterosexual sex, (with or without protection) should be mature enough to deal with the consequences. either adoption or raise it. It's not like we don't know what causes pregnancy. If you want to show your love, that go ahead. (besides, sex isn't the only way to show love) but be prepared to deal with the consequences if you get a baby. And deal with it like a fraeking adult. not like a scared kid.
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 9:08 pm
Spartan-4202 BakaTulip And NO METHOD OF BIRTH CONTROL IS 100% EFFECTIVE, just because a condom broke and a woman wanted a career and was not ready for a baby YOU want her to have it and ruin her life. (This happened to a friend of mine, and she wasn't even the unwanted child, her brother was, and her mother takes out her ruined life by making her kids suffer) Learn a few things before you go around sounding like an a**. Plus a fetus is not a baby and not a citizen. Any adult who is going to have heterosexual sex, (with or without protection) should be mature enough to deal with the consequences. either adoption or raise it. It's not like we don't know what causes pregnancy. If you want to show your love, that go ahead. (besides, sex isn't the only way to show love) but be prepared to deal with the consequences if you get a baby. And deal with it like a fraeking adult. not like a scared kid. By telling women what they have to do with their unborn fetus is like the hetereosexual homophobes telling us not to get married.
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Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:45 am
Again, I direct you folks to the ******** Abortion Debate thread in ED. All your various arguments are handled there kthxbai. "Feminazi" was a term coined by folks like Rush Limbaugh in an attempt to create a stereotype that didn't exist for the purpose of discrediting feminism in general. Wikipedia is your friend.
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