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 Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:20 pm
A lot of people I know watch fansubs. I told them what I know about what it does to the industry, and what I know about the truth about anime liscensors (that they're not all evil greedy jerks out to destroy the meaning of art for their own personal gain). But they don't believe me. I've suggested to the people I know in real life that they go to an industry panel at a convention, but I don't think they will. And I just found out that most of the people in a guild here that I go to a lot watch fansubs.
What can I do to make them realize how destructive it is and get them to stop stealing?
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Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:38 am
As someone who used to be part of a fansub group and someone who still watches fansubs. I can say that the people who still fansub a licensed series and those that watch the fansub of a series that's been licensed don't know the true purpose of fansubs. Fansubs are supposed to be a free advertisement and an indicator for companies to know what the anime fanbase like to watch.
The companies that bring titles over here, bring them here so it would be more easily accessible.
If you know them IRL, then ask them to go to those panels at least once.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:32 am
I always try to get them to watch it in English first. I've noticed that depending on what language it's heard in first is what people tend to like more. People don't realize that downloading off the internet means no industry here, and less anime/manga merchandise.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:15 am
i think it really depends on the situation.
a lot of times, some shows will never be licensed, and theres no other way to get them other than fansubs. in that way, i think its good.
however, there are a lot places where some of the licensers here fall a little short of what they intend. A horrible dub (one piece, any anime 4 kids has touched, etc), is another time where i would condone a fansub of it. now, a horrible dub is what i consider to be: the show has either been dubbed so badly that its honestly laughable, the dvds are only available in the english format, and the editing and adaption are done to the point that is practically a different show. so, if you're a one piece fan, i would have no problem with keeping my mouth shut if that fan watches a fan sub.
now, the majority of fan sub groups will take their subs off line once the show is licensed. The ones that keep them going either act in protest of the license, or they just dont care. In the case of a show like Bleach, its gonna be a long time before episodes 90 arrive here dubbed and ready for viewing. If only for the sake of watching advanced episodes, I would watch Bleach. However, i can watch it guilt free because I know I will watch the dub later on. With shorter series, the 12-26 episode ones i mean, I think they could stand to wait a while for the dvds to come out. not because of anything other than the wait is a lot shorter than a long running series like any of the Shonen Jump anime titles out there.
so, my policy towards fansubs are:
Get it fansubbed if:
4kids butchered it,
The only version is an edited, english only version (of mediocre to horrible quality: we're talkin YuGiOh here)
There is no license for it in your respective country
Only for the purpose of watching advanced episodes in a long running series.
Dont watch fansubs if:
It's a DVD rip (thats just piracy)
The license has been announced and the subs are included on the dvds and vhs
You want to purposely hurt dub companies (I personally love dubs as much as subs, so I'm not biased as to what a bad dub is. I can do a list later of what a bad dub consists of razz ). sign a petition or something. They WILL listen to the fans.
Uh, i think point is that fansubs dont really hurt the industry. and i think that most fansub groups arent to blame. I do think that the companies need to have someone who can speak on behalf of the fansub community. its only fair
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:22 am
I agree with NamaeX.
From my own perspective people watch alot of Fansubs because they don't like the Edit's 4Kids and Viz put into some Anime.
Something I also noticed is that people just love to overreact about Naruto for Example, the Dub of Naruto was good in my own Opinion although at some points they could've done a more decent job.
Still though, most of the characters and their voices did seem in place.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:06 am
fansubs are good if you want to beta-test new Anime. But if that Anime is released on DVD or on TV with the dubbed version. Unless that dub version is so bad to the ears that you run away screaming and crying. Then watch the dub.
just tell them that if they want NEW anime to be produced and released here in the states they need to support the official. After all most of the DVD's released unless by 4Kids (which no longer exsists) do have the japanese vocal tracks on them.
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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:34 pm
Fansubs can either be good way of helping sales or not. For example, before Naruto came into the states, many people downloaded the show because they loved it. Then when Viz media licenced it, people who originally watched the sub version started to watch the English version and many agreed that the dub was pretty accurate, translation wise and acting wise (though there are some hardcore Narutards that woudn't agree) even though there were a few things that could have improved, but no dub show is perfect. Even shows with really good dubs such as Excel Saga still probably needed some improvements. Anyway, Naruto did well because the fansub introduced audience members and it told Viz "Hey! We like this show but please dont ruin it!". So, to please both subbies and dubbies, they produced an uncut dvd with both an uncut dub and sub. Not to mention the fact their merchandice did as well, especially the headbands.
Now, lets talk about another anime, One Piece. It was probably not as popular as Naruto but many liked it but with less support. So, 4kids came in and thought "Hey, I think we can make this show A LOT better in the US. so they licenced it, ruined it, and what did it do to fans? Make them download it more often and it could probably explain why their dvds doesnt sell well as say...Viz Media. So, it really made them loose money more so they now are licencing more animes to make up for that but does it really? No.
So fansubs do help some,promotion wise. And if you don't like the English version even though its uncut, watch the Japanese version or complain to the company. If they don't offer a japanese version like 4kids does with their dvds, yea, go ahead and download. Or you could buy the bootlegged subbed dvds *but they are really hard to read and the spellings suck* XD
Sometimes Japanese dvds offer english subtitles in their realeases such as Big O and FMA so that way you can support them not illegally but they are more expensive than American dvds. razz
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:51 pm
 There's not much you can do, because it's hard to change someone's opinion. Sure, you can try by introducing them to your favorite dubs, and drag them along with you to Industry Panels (bribe them with dinner, or something. xD), but it can be a challenge. However, it's not impossible...a long time ago, I used to be more partial to subs, but then I opened my eyes and started watching dubs, and now I'm a ridiculous dub supporter. :33
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:56 pm
I try to make them feel guilty, cause most of my friends have english VAs that they like, so I always say like "Oh, but since you're watching it fansubbed then it might not get the recognition for being dubbed and they'll stop the dub and Vic (or another loved VA) will stop playing (charcter's name here)".
Or I let karma get them good. One of my friends watched ALL of Rumbling Hearts fansubbed and I told her to stop since it was gonna come out in english like two weeks later, but no, she finished the series and ended up HATING the ending I mean it really bothered her.
I'll watch a sub myself only when I first hear that it's liscenced and I'll only watch 1 or 2 episodes just to get a taste of how the animation looks and how the characters sound without getting too used to their voices (it worked for me with Bleach and hopefully Tsubasa and DeathNote).
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 9:45 pm
Basically I only watch fansubbed anime if it is the only way to get to see the anime in North America.
For example I watch Da Capo, Da Capo Second Season and Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru fansubbed because the chances of it getting liscenced in North America are slim to none crying .
Other than that I patiently wait for official releases of titles like everyone else, so I can support the great voice casts and crew 3nodding (4kids excluded, I don't like them at all stare ).
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:15 am
I watch fansubs for series that have yet to be dubed in English or are currently unlicensed.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:52 am
Well sadly a lot of the people who watch Fansubs all the way though don't know that most anime even shows on TV have uncut dubs. I mean the number of people who think the Toonami version of Naruto is the only dub is way too high.
Anyway I don't see Fan subs as a bad thing. No I see them as a good thing that is now out of control. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing. Fansubs help shows gain popularity, help companies look for new titles to bring over and working on Fan subs can look good on a translator's resume.
Too much of a good thing can make it a bad thing. There are too many fan subs, and they are now too easy to get hold of. What which things like You Tube and Veoh, as well as torrents which are very easy to use getting a hold of a fan sub is very easy. Because of this there have also been a growing number of people making fan subs for shows, if it's "to be cool" or because they have a good reason. We have too many fan subs and they are too easy to get a hold of. They are hurting The English anime business and the japanese one as well.
When you have too much money it causes inflation. When a country has too much food they fill silos full of excess grain that just rots. Something can become a bad thing when there is too much of it. Even if it is good. Fansubs are not mad in moderation. They helped dubs get to the high quality they are today by showing people how bad old dubs were. Yet now their time is over.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:55 pm
nothing works for me i try to convince my buds that what their doing just isntt right and becuase of them the industry loses sales. i tell them that owning it is better but still they just read fansubs and watch them its really annoying. they think just becuase their big fans of the shows it justifys that their basically stealing but it dosn't. i always tell them would you go up to the writer of your favorite manga and say hey ive been stealing your work for free for years o well at least im a really big fan. still nothing really gets threw the only thing i can think of is to report sites that fansub manga or anime. its a shame becuase of people that dont buy manga and read it online i have to wait months at a time for translations if more people buy they production rate increases and the price drops. here if youve seen it alredy then you know what it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV0b8bEaT4I thats part 1 i think there 18 parts but you shouldnt have a problem finding them
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:49 am
Well with my friends I went and bought them the whole boxed set. I think the only time I tend to watch subs at all are if and only if the license hasn't been purchased. But that's about it. If the series has been liscened then I'll stop watching.
By the way, you could tell the person watching the Fan subs that the version they're watching isn't what is seen on TV in Japan. In reality Japanese tv does cut their shows when on the airwaves. They're edited for time, and content too. Fights on the Naruto DVDs that we get here, the uncut version, are really uncut from both sides of the Pacific. The fights in the dvd's are longer and on Japanese TV it's shorter.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:03 pm
How is it that one stops people from watching fansubs you ask? Simulate a situation where they will realize what it is that fansubs are doing. How to do this: I am not sure, but.... IF we all put our heads together, we may be able to think of something.
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