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 Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:29 pm
When I first watched the Phantom movie completely, I noticed there were a few passages in Notes that had the same tune as "Anyone from anywhere could make it if they get a lucky break" in Stone the Crows from Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, also by Webber. Then, when my mom and I were in the car once and I was playing Notes from the CD, mom said it sounded like a song from Les Miserables, also by Webber.
Strange. stare
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:41 pm
Well, it's inevitable to avoid using certain phrase structures entirely so if you use that kind of thinking, every composer recycles. However, there is a certain style that each composer has, so all their music does sound similar to an extent. It's the same as with an artist or a writer -- you identify them by their style, how they use words, how they render certain things. Music is no different.
However, it isn't unheard of Webber recycling his own music, however. That's fairly well-known. He is also guilty of recycling--nay, even stealing-- from other composers, too, such as Puccini, such as in the case of Phantom. I'm not sure about his other musicals, but I do know he's lifted melodies to write Phantom.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:13 pm
Didn't Webber even write "Love Changes Everything" for Phantom only to use it in another musical (the name escapes me) later?
It's a common thing amongst artists of the sort. You come up with ideas and if in the end they don't fit that particular "project", you save them abd use them in another.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:51 pm
Quote: mom said it sounded like a song from Les Miserables, also by Webber. Webber didn't write Les Mis. But yeah, all composers recycle to a certain degree. Look at Wicked and Godspell by Stephen Schwartz and tell me some of the melodies aren't the same. It's just that artist's particular style showing through. And as was said, sometimes composers just switch songs between shows. (For example, Sally's Song and Kidnap the Sandy Claws in Nightmare Before Christmas were originally written for a show called Little Demons.) However Webber re-uses themes to an obsessive degree, even by those standards. His songs are all essentially variations on the same tune repeated endlessly, his use of leitmotif is bordering on manic, and as fuoko said, there have been more allegations of plaigarism against him than can be easily explained away.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:16 pm
PhantomoftheFox Quote: mom said it sounded like a song from Les Miserables, also by Webber. Webber didn't write Les Mis. He didn't? Dang, I was misled then. gonk
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:18 pm
Utakan Didn't Webber even write "Love Changes Everything" for Phantom only to use it in another musical (the name escapes me) later? Aspects of Love. Yeah, I heard that on Behind the Mask. That was one of Webber's original Phantom songs, but it never got in. I need to see Aspects of Love sometime.
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:55 pm
Elanchana Utakan Didn't Webber even write "Love Changes Everything" for Phantom only to use it in another musical (the name escapes me) later? Aspects of Love. Yeah, I heard that on Behind the Mask. That was one of Webber's original Phantom songs, but it never got in. I need to see Aspects of Love sometime. Ah, one of his other grand s**t Musicals. You'll pardon me I'm not too fond of Webber. I just enjoy PotO and CATS. The rest can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. And really, can you imagine Erik singing that? That would've plunged the romance aspect too far and gagged half the audience with its abundant fluff.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:44 am
You mean kind of like 'No One Would Listen'? xD
Webber seems fixated on making the Phantom a spineless jellyfish of fluff and wangst, that's always been plain... However, I like to remain hopeful and tell myself that maybe he intended the song for Raoul.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:12 pm
It didn't seem to belong in Phantom. Perhaps that's why they removed it.
Just didn't seem...Phantomy...enough.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:34 pm
PhantomoftheFox You mean kind of like 'No One Would Listen'? xD Webber seems fixated on making the Phantom a spineless jellyfish of fluff and wangst, that's always been plain... However, I like to remain hopeful and tell myself that maybe he intended the song for Raoul. GRAAAAGH! UTA SMASH! *ahem* Yeah. ALW should be personally slapped by an uglier stick for that. I realize this is supposed to be a romantic musical, but for the love of God, y'know? He made Raoul more manly! O_O I mean, how many times does Erik whine and b***h and cry in that musical? Does Raoul? No. And people call HIM the pansy!
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:50 pm
Elanchana He didn't? Dang, I was misled then. gonk Boublil and Schoenbourg are the people you're looking for. More substantial music, in my opinion! Utakan Yeah. ALW should be personally slapped by an uglier stick for that. I realize this is supposed to be a romantic musical, but for the love of God, y'know? He made Raoul more manly! O_O I mean, how many times does Erik whine and b***h and cry in that musical? Does Raoul? No. And people call HIM the pansy! It's because emo is in, Utakan! He has a dark, waaangsty past and has a right to whine and cry about it! That can't possibly make him a pansy; that makes him sensitive and cool. (As a side note, Raoul doesn't cry at all in the musical; but Erik bawls at least twice, and while it is heartbreaking to watch, he's not crying for any reasons that Raoul didn't cry for in the original novel. c.c Raoul cries at the masquerade because Christine is flirting and is keeping another man beyond him--see Erik's AIAOY Reprise, Act I--and at the end, cries because Christine has left him for another man and refuses to see him anymore--see Final Lair, Act II. I mean, honestly. rolleyes )
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 4:57 pm
Does that mean I can start my 'Erik is a fop and a pansy' campaign?
I have nothing pertinent to add to the topic at hand except that the original Think of Me cadenza is identical to one in a Gounod opera. Yep. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:19 pm
No because then we'd maul you. XD Even though it's the truth, we'd maul you.
Omg, It is, isn't it? o_o *grabs her opera CD and PotO CD and goes to listen*
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 5:47 pm
No, you can't start up the Erik is a pansy campaign because Erik isn't any more a pansy than Raoul is~
It is! Romeo & Juliet! First act, if I remember correctly. I remember hearing it and had to snicker.
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Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:08 pm
fuokohopin Elanchana He didn't? Dang, I was misled then. gonk Boublil and Schoenbourg are the people you're looking for. More substantial music, in my opinion! Thanks. (Argh...Moooooooom!!!!)
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