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Well,
  Time to pack my things and move to Mumbai, India!
  Seems like a nice place to visit.
  I need to explain... (post)
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Henbane
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:44 pm


Quote:
Vegetarian bias worries meat eaters in Mumbai
BUYERS CHALLENGING REAL ESTATE TREND
By Ramola Talwar Badam
Associated Press
MUMBAI, India - It's not a question of pets, smokers or loud music at 2 a.m. House hunters in Mumbai increasingly are being asked: ``Do you eat meat?''

If yes, the deal is off.

As this city of 16 million becomes the cosmopolitan main nerve of a booming Indian economy, real estate is increasingly intersecting with cuisine. More middle-class Indians are moving in, more of them are vegetarian, and the law is on their side.

``Some people are very strict. They won't sell to a non-vegetarian even if he offers a higher price than a vegetarian,'' said real estate broker Norbert Pinto.

Vegetarianism is a centuries-old custom among Hindus, Jains and others in India. The government reckons India has about 220 million vegetarians, more than anywhere else in the world.

``Veg or non-veg?'' is heard constantly in restaurants, at dinner parties and on airlines. And the question has long been an unwritten part of the interrogation house hunters must submit to.

But it's becoming more open, and the effects more noticeable, all the more so in Mumbai, formerly known as Bombay, which attracts immigrants from Gujarat and Rajasthan, strongly vegetarian states, as well as followers of the Jain religion.

In constitutionally secular India, there's no bar to forming a housing society and making an apartment block exclusively Catholic or Muslim, Hindu or Zoroastrian.

Vegetarians say they, too, need segregation.

``I live in a cosmopolitan society,'' said Jayantilal Jain, trustee of a charity group. ``But vegetarians should be given the right to admit who they want.''

Rejected home-seekers have mounted a slew of court challenges to the power of housing societies to discriminate, but last year India's highest tribunal ruled the practice legal.

``It's just not fair. It's a monopoly by vegetarians,'' said Kiran Talwar, 49, a prosthetics engineer who has seen vegetarianism take over restaurants and grocery stores all over his childhood neighborhood on posh Nepeansea Road.

``If you step out to eat, there's nothing for miles because everything around is veggie,'' he said.

Suburban supermarkets have been known to dump their non-veg foods overnight because of complaints from shoppers.

``We cleared our shelves of tuna tins and frozen chicken. We don't keep any non-vegetarian items now,'' said Neelam Ahuja, owner of the K-value supermarket. ``Many customers don't like non-veg, so we stopped stocking it.''

While Indians are accustomed to housing societies demarcated by religion, separation by diet has meat-eaters worried. Mumbai likes to think of itself as a city wide open to the world, and some worry the vegetarian tide goes against that trend.

Vikramaditya Ugra, a young Mumbai banker in search of an apartment, said vegetarian colonies were fine in neighboring Gujarat, a state dominated by vegetarians. ``That's in tune with local sensitivity,'' he said.

``But to impose this restriction is not right in a cosmopolitan city like Bombay.''


This is the whole article posted on May 30 but here is the link anyway.

I don't really see any segregation as a good thing. But I still think this is cool. Should this type of thing be allowed? What if more communities did this type of thing? Please post, I am interested in what you all have to say.
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:07 pm


Obviously vegetarianism has a very strong cultural signifigance in this instance, and I am wary of commenting, since I know nothing about Indian culture.

However, imagine if the situation was reversed: Vegetarians were being denied housing based on their diet, and grocery stores refused to carry vegetarian options. How many of us would be outraged? (Grocery-wise, this is already the situation for me!)

Taeryyn

Man-Hungry Ladykiller


Soymilk_Gun

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 12:07 am


I'm not sure how I feel about the segregation issue right now but I think that this is a good small scale model of the potential of large numbers of open and proud veg*ns to afect the economy and what consumer good are avalible (ie non-animal products only) on a larger scale a movement like this could severly hurt the animal abuse industries and put quiet a few out of business.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:27 pm


Very very intresting. Not sure how I feel. Like the guy above me said, we dont like it if meat eaters discrimante against us, which they do but not to this extent. So why would it fair to turn around to do this to them.

But I supose that long as segragated housing communities are leagal in india then I suport the idea.

I might steal this for ED. It just such a kewl article but it really needs some view points from meat eaters.

Do you mind?

Eye_seE


Taeryyn

Man-Hungry Ladykiller

PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:33 pm


Eye_seE


But I supose that long as segragated housing communities are leagal in india then I suport the idea.


Legal does not always equal right. It used to be illegal in the US and Canada for women to vote; was that right? wink
PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:45 pm


Eye_seE
Very very intresting. Not sure how I feel. Like the guy above me said, we dont like it if meat eaters discrimante against us, which they do but not to this extent. So why would it fair to turn around to do this to them.

But I supose that long as segragated housing communities are leagal in india then I suport the idea.

I might steal this for ED. It just such a kewl article but it really needs some view points from meat eaters.

Do you mind?


No, help you self to it.

Henbane
Vice Captain


Eye_seE

PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:57 am


Ciel Avec Cafeine
Eye_seE


But I supose that long as segragated housing communities are leagal in india then I suport the idea.


Legal does not always equal right. It used to be illegal in the US and Canada for women to vote; was that right? wink


No but it was still legal. Their are many things which are legal but I think moraly wrong, and thier are things which I think are allright but are illegal.

When I said that I suport the idea, I mean to say that I feel it acts within the meaning of the law. And when people want to make something illegal, I demand that the burden should rest upon them to prove that goverment has to step in or else. Better to not have goverment introvention if it isint needed.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:12 am


McCarthyism was a phenomen in Western culture where people's lives were ruined because of their personal choices. The laws dictated by many nationstates allowed this despite inherent restrictions on egalitarianism and individual freedom of choice.

Offering support based primarily on whether or not the governed people acquise to the laws (as opposed to consent) is tantamount to suggesting that those who don't practice Catholicism shouldn't be allowed to live in Italy so long as ordinances enforce such rules. Absurd.

Famicommie
Vice Captain


Eye_seE

PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 7:43 pm


Famicommie
McCarthyism was a phenomen in Western culture where people's lives were ruined because of their personal choices. The laws dictated by many nationstates allowed this despite inherent restrictions on egalitarianism and individual freedom of choice.

Offering support based primarily on whether or not the governed people acquise to the laws (as opposed to consent) is tantamount to suggesting that those who don't practice Catholicism shouldn't be allowed to live in Italy so long as ordinances enforce such rules. Absurd.


Not overly. Long as I plan to be a part of the system I should play as the system asks of me.

Now if the system ask something of me that I will not do, say take a life, then I remove myself from the system, most likly by willingly going to jail.

Though one could always push the system to change while still following the rules.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:38 pm


I like the idea of people being asked if they are vegetarians at restaraunts before they eat. That would make things easier for diners here in the states.

However, that's really the only thing in that article about India that I agree with. If that housing segregation happened over here, it wouldn't be right. However, over there, it is probably a good idea. In a place where vegetarianism is a part of culture and religion, some people might not be tolerant of meat-eaters, like we are here, simply because we are exposed to it more. If their housing is segregated, the meat-eaters should have an easier time finding resaraunts and grocery stores that will accomadate to their needs, right?
Plus, why are they complaining? It's not as if they can't eat a piece of vegetable every once in a while when they eat out.

Hlessirah

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:01 am


I kind of like some of the idea they have here, as its basically the opposite of US culture norms who discriminate the other way around (not to say that veg*ns aren't allowed in certain communities, but in a lot of restaurants, you get funny looks when you ask to have all the meat removed from your order). But I can't stop thinking about an insident I heard of the other day. A man in my area was denied the lease to a house on the grounds that he's gay. And sudenly, I don't like the idea anymore.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:46 am


Vegetarian's are being segregated?
Thats dumb -__-;

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