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 Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:18 am
Hello, I was wondering if Zen and Pure land are both Mahayana traditions. I am newbie at Pure Land practice, but I am thinking of opening up my mind to Zen a little more as way of knowing that I need more than one string to hold up my bolder.
Oh and also, would it be alright if I went to Tibetan and Theravada centers/temples even though I do not practice Vajrayana and Theravada?
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:25 pm
I know Ch'an/Zen is an sect of Mahayana, being that's the one I tend to dwell in the most. I suppose some of the confusion comes from Zen not really having prescribed sutras like most formal traditions. It's probably why it's one of the more popular sects in West... you just make it up as you go with koans.
I suppose the Mahayana in Zen is most apparent in it's tendency to believe all beings, as well as inanimate objects, have Buddha Nature. That is.... one is already a buddha, just sleeping for the moment.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 9:40 am
Both of which are Mahayana, because of the Bodhisattva's Vow, and their belief in Bodhisattvas.
It's my understanding that Theravada do not use Bodhisattvas in their practices.
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 5:57 pm
Nah, Theravadans seem to lean more to Arhats than Bodhisattvas - those who've gotten there and left rather than those who've gotten there and stuck around.
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:37 am
Byaggha Nah, Theravadans seem to lean more to Arhats than Bodhisattvas - those who've gotten there and left rather than those who've gotten there and stuck around. According to Lord Buddha, if you get there, you don't stick around after parinirvana. Enlightened are without hindrances, and therefore, shouldn't be reborn. I wonder how Avalokiteshvara does it...
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:31 pm
Ok...but Mahayana (and Vajrayana) are still valid paths as well right?
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Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:10 pm
Is there such thing as a path that isn't valid? People can sometimes be a little confused... but that's not quite the same.
I kind of like to think of it as all the same path. The difference is in how you follow it. Some people walk, some run... roll, skip, dance, crawl.. even sleep on the path.
How you want to move along is up to you. You may wish to do it in groups, or maybe you prefer to travel alone. Just try not to step on the sleepers too much. ninja
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:32 am
Kagerou Osajima Just try not to step on the sleepers too much. ninja This is probably why the Jains carry brooms. xd
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 3:50 pm
Byaggha Kagerou Osajima Just try not to step on the sleepers too much. ninja This is probably why the Jains carry brooms. xd I dont get it...
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Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:32 pm
Jains are an extremely austere sect of religious people in India. Their goal is generally "cause as little impact as possible on the world". The most devout among them wear masks over their nose and mouth, and sweep the path in front of their steps with a broom to avoid inhaling/stepping on bugs. I'm just making a silly joke based on that, relating to those people 'napping' on the Path that Kagerou mentioned. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 7:22 am
Clever, Byaggha. whee
One of the snags I get into when practicing a more Zen way of seeing.. is that it's rather sticky to judge morals for others. Instead, it seems more important that people be geniuene to their nature...whatever that happens to be. Just have a feeling that if they make it that far... the rest will follow eventually.
Though, if I rationalize from that, it seems like morals don't really matter then. I don't really know how to explain it without freaking people out.... so I generally don't.
Is that all normal? sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 7:19 am
Kagerou Osajima Is that all normal? sweatdrop What is Normal, but another entanglement? Be.
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 3:57 pm
Akanishi Makoto What is Normal, but another entanglement? Be. Yet even knowing this, the tangles are quite fun to play with. whee
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Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 5:49 pm
Akanishi Makoto Byaggha Nah, Theravadans seem to lean more to Arhats than Bodhisattvas - those who've gotten there and left rather than those who've gotten there and stuck around. According to Lord Buddha, if you get there, you don't stick around after parinirvana. Enlightened are without hindrances, and therefore, shouldn't be reborn. I wonder how Avalokiteshvara does it... Bodhisattva Vow to remain around, even after Parinirvana. - Sherab
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Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2006 5:17 am
Gavriel0 Akanishi Makoto Byaggha Nah, Theravadans seem to lean more to Arhats than Bodhisattvas - those who've gotten there and left rather than those who've gotten there and stuck around. According to Lord Buddha, if you get there, you don't stick around after parinirvana. Enlightened are without hindrances, and therefore, shouldn't be reborn. I wonder how Avalokiteshvara does it... Bodhisattva Vow to remain around, even after Parinirvana. - Sherab Sherab, see, I'm a practicing Zen Buddhist. I know about the Vow. I take it every day. What I'm saying is, and perhaps this is because of my Theravadan leanings, but if Avalokiteshvara is already enlightened, how does she continue to exist in this Samsara, almost at will?
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