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 Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:09 pm
I just wanted to know....and be honest...what the ideas brought forth from Christians, and/or Atheists have effected. How has our world been effected from these ideas? I want to know the pros and cons to both.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:04 am
Christianity offers a security blanket to explain the unexplainable. Atheism helped establish the importance of the here and now versus Christianity promoted working towards a 'later'.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 10:58 am
I think the now is more important than anything, because all your little actions add up and make your future.
I think every perspective has something to offer.. and you need to see many perspectives to get a good understanding of life.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2005 1:51 pm
Ok. Interesting...But Christianity, if you have read the Bible, or know of what it says...HIGHLY focuses on the Present to make the Future better. Jesus even said, Live everyday as though God would come at then. Meaning, clean up your act, and walk in love towards other people, so that you would be clean and pure when God comes again. Any other ideas?
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:54 am
Atheism offers freedom of choice, freedom to obey whichever rules the athiest chooses to live by, rather than jump through the hoops the bible offers
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:00 pm
I've read the Bible. Former Christian.
Buddhism also tells you to be pure and loving. It is more along the lines of preventing suffering and promoting happiness though.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:23 pm
The essence of Christianity: There are three Gods with are one God. One of them is a savior who allows us to enter heaven if we accept him as our savior, but we will go to hell if we don't. This means: Christians (possibly with some exceptions) will go to heaven, and non-Christians (regardless of whether they are good or bad) will go to hell. But God(s), in spite of sending non-believers to hell, loves them. And is omnibenevolent. And merciful. Just not merciful to forgive a lifetime on nonbelief, even though he offers to evidence that he exists. Also, God(s) created the world 6000 years ago and planted all the fossils and created the geological strata, and made stars millions of light years away visible in order to "test our faith"--that is, deceive rational people and make them nonbelievers, so that they could be sent to hell. And, murdering entire races of men, women, and children if you want their land is moral if God permits, and drowning every living thing with the exception of a few individuals is as well.
The essence of atheism: The above is bullshit.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:40 pm
You know, that also sounds alot like the atheistic beliefs of Mao Zedong, adolf Hitler, and Stalin. xd
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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:05 am
Doktor.Mark You know, that also sounds alot like the atheistic beliefs of Mao Zedong, adolf Hitler, and Stalin. xd Hitler was a Christian, dolt.
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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:40 am
I don't call myself an atheist, on the grounds that there is no general consensus as to what a god or God is, as evidenced by the fact that there are many religions, many sects within those religions, and an infinite spectrum of personal beliefs.
I am non-religious. The term which I have crafted is 'neo-rationalist', which seperates me from classical rationalism, and basically means 'believes on in that which it is rational to believe'.
Quite simply, religions offer you delusions, and require you to be stupid and gullible. This is something I have no need for and cannot do.
Keeping open-minded and thinking deeply about everything, coupled with a deliberate effort to learn about the world, is the only rational way to gain knowledge about the truth and understand how the world works. This much is obviously true. It just so happens that taking such an approach doesn't turn you religious.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:23 am
Quote: Also, God(s) created the world 6000 years ago and planted all the fossils and created the geological strata, and made stars millions of light years away visible in order to "test our faith"--that is, deceive rational people and make them nonbelievers, so that they could be sent to hell. not very good therory, according to the bible, God does NOT want people to have to go through eternal hell, and he wouldn't decive hundreds upon thousands of people
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:35 pm
The God of the Bible sounds like a royal p***k to me. Just because I don't like the guy doesn't mean he doesn't exist. But then, I don't like Sauron either, and just because the Lord of the Rings was written as fiction doesn't mean that by some stretch of probability the dude doesn't exist.
I don't believe that the Biblical God and/or Sauron exist, but I don't believe they don't, either. It also depends on your interpretation of the meaning of the words 'Sauron' and 'God'. This is what it means to keep an open mind.
However, given my experience, I'd say that probably neither of them exist.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 11:21 pm
Aye. One of the basic tenets of Christianity is this: Everyone who sins falls short of God's standard, and therefore deserves hell. God seems unjust for punishing people who only did what is practically impossible for them not to do, but instead o' postin' an argument all over again, I'll just link to the place where I was arguing this. Link.
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:24 pm
Christianity offers a comforting story for people who need to be comforted about the uncertainties of the afterlife. I am pretty convinced that nothing exists in the afterlife once our brain shuts off, so I have never needed religion myself.
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 7:21 pm
czombie Christianity offers a comforting story for people who need to be comforted about the uncertainties of the afterlife. Thanks for that, but I don't think so; As I just said, one of the basic tenets of Christianity is that all people are terrible sinners and deserve eternal suffering. Anyone who isn't saved gets that, and you can't know for sure that you're saved. It's the fear that gets 'em goin', sir.
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