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 Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:53 pm
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:54 pm
trust me, the actual sized image looks much better than this tiny little thing. and minus the watermark.
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:18 am
I actually thought this was a WIP. The colours are so scribbly and hard it looks just like the preliminary colouring someone would do to pick out the right colours. :/
As for the figure, the eyes are way too high. The eyes should rest at the half-point between the chin and the top of the skull. There's a few other anatomical mistakes with his nose/mouth area and the shape of his skull... I'm guessing you haven't learned the dynamics of profile drawing (what goes where), so I suggest picking up a good anatomy book or searching for a good tutorial online.
The hair (around the chin and ear area) lacks any sort of shading. It's like a big mound of brown... colour. There's no individual strands of hair or shading, so it doesn't even look like hair.
So, if you could treat this as a WIP I think you could improve it a lot more. Take a look at some tutorials or better references, and work on your colouring and shading. It could turn into a nice piece of work if you worked a bit harder on it.
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 5:36 am
Hafta agree with the aforementioned scribbliness. If your really feel the need to keep the scribbly, then I would reccomend going in with smaller and smaller size brushes to put in the extra detail and still have that loose kinda feel.
I want to say the arm looks wonky but my mind's not completely made up about that yet. Depends on where the cloth ends.... not entirely clear so I'm not entirely sure.
Head...wonky...@.@
(Still, 'tis better than how I would be coloring.)
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:56 am
There are some artists who can pull off the scribblyness without making it look like a WIP. If you want to keep it your style, I suggest you take a look at other people's speedpaintings. The lighting is awkward. From what I gather from the background (nice compositioning, though, with the darkness creeping round the edges; really draws the eye to the necklace-with-a-feather-thing that he's lookin' at), the light source is to the far left plane, not much for movement along the Z-plane. From the amount of contrast in the background, you'd have to make the foreground more contrasted, and add more dark near the back of his head. (another note about lighting: you may want to keep reflective light in mind when you color. Most anime arists tend to exaggerate it, but it's still there. X3) Just remember that the foreground and the background must mesh together, otherwise they look like they were done separately and copy-pasted together. Not a very professional look, really. ^^ Seems enough people have critted about the anatomy. X3 Always good to have more anatomy practice. biggrin Good luck on your artistic career. ^^
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 8:58 pm
I won't say I didn't get offended by people saying i don't know anatomy, because quite frankly, i did. I DO happen to know anatomy a fairly good amount, thank you very much. I need to post my work from my Figure Drawing classes as soon as I get my scanner going again. My theory happens to be "you need to know the rules in order to break them properly". I admit I still need some work on it (everyone does for that matter) but I won't stand for people saying I don't know it.
The scribble was on purpose. That's the way i paint IRL. Mostly oils but that's beside the point. But the suggestion of varying brush sizes was helpful; i'll take it in consideration next time.
I did want a crit, and i thought i had done fairly well considering it was a bit of a crunch in time to finish, so i'm trying not to sound like a brat here. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time you guys took to crit it, but quite frankly i didn't expect to get so bashed. :/
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Dr. Valentine Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 3:28 am
Paper Nefertiti Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time you guys took to crit it, but quite frankly i didn't expect to get so bashed. :/ In that case you won't want to hear what I was preparing to say.
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:20 am
Here at the art fags we take critiquing seriously. x3 We're not trying to bash you, we just tell you in full honesty what could be improved upon. With that out of the way, I'd like to address your defense on your knowledge of anatomy. If you have any fullbody sketches, go ahead and post 'em. I can't really say anything about how you draw a figure if I don't see any. All I see is a face and neck area in the picture you posted, and I see that there are some issues with it. If you didn't see what I pointed out earlier, then I'll try to explain a bit more. I did a quick draw over, I hope you don't mind.  Okay. So the major issues I found were: -The eye was too high and too far back from the bridge of the nose, which brings me to my next point. -There WAS no bridge of the nose! -The shape of the nose is a bit strange. You could keep that shape if you include a bridge, to make it a bit more defined and normal looking. -The shape of the skull was a bit too flat and small. -The chin wasn't very defined, especially to the right of that strand of hair. It looks like there's a lump of skin there. -The neck was a bit too thin. Now, I said that all keeping in mind of "style". Sure, bending the rules of anatomy can lead you to some awesome techniques, but I just don't see it in this picture. Once again, I'm not bashing, I'm just trying to help you improve your art. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:26 am
Paper Nefertiti The scribble was on purpose. That's the way i paint IRL. Mostly oils but that's beside the point. But the suggestion of varying brush sizes was helpful; i'll take it in consideration next time. though my experience with oil is limited, i'm sure that this style looks better in oil, since every movement of the hand changes the shape of the brushstroke. A computer will keep it uniform unless you ask it to do other wise. sooo...just remember you can't always treat different media the same way. aside from varying brush sizes by manually changing the size...if you use a tablet that has pressure sensitivity, try it. you'l be able to make lines that taper which will help. Particulary on the hair, the blunt shape of the highlights and shadow really clashes with the refined form and makes it look flat.
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:00 pm
Page Boy Paper Nefertiti The scribble was on purpose. That's the way i paint IRL. Mostly oils but that's beside the point. But the suggestion of varying brush sizes was helpful; i'll take it in consideration next time. though my experience with oil is limited, i'm sure that this style looks better in oil, since every movement of the hand changes the shape of the brushstroke. A computer will keep it uniform unless you ask it to do other wise. sooo...just remember you can't always treat different media the same way. aside from varying brush sizes by manually changing the size...if you use a tablet that has pressure sensitivity, try it. you'l be able to make lines that taper which will help. Particulary on the hair, the blunt shape of the highlights and shadow really clashes with the refined form and makes it look flat. it has pressure sensitivity, but more often than not it doesn't wanna work. i'm still trying to figure out how the hell that happens. i suppose i shouldn't have gotten so uptight. i got more excited over trying a new coloring style than how the picture as a whole came out. *thumps head*
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:04 pm
Tawney Here at the art fags we take critiquing seriously. x3 We're not trying to bash you, we just tell you in full honesty what could be improved upon. With that out of the way, I'd like to address your defense on your knowledge of anatomy. If you have any fullbody sketches, go ahead and post 'em. I can't really say anything about how you draw a figure if I don't see any. All I see is a face and neck area in the picture you posted, and I see that there are some issues with it. If you didn't see what I pointed out earlier, then I'll try to explain a bit more. I did a quick draw over, I hope you don't mind. Okay. So the major issues I found were: -The eye was too high and too far back from the bridge of the nose, which brings me to my next point. -There WAS no bridge of the nose! -The shape of the nose is a bit strange. You could keep that shape if you include a bridge, to make it a bit more defined and normal looking. -The shape of the skull was a bit too flat and small. -The chin wasn't very defined, especially to the right of that strand of hair. It looks like there's a lump of skin there. -The neck was a bit too thin. Now, I said that all keeping in mind of "style". Sure, bending the rules of anatomy can lead you to some awesome techniques, but I just don't see it in this picture. Once again, I'm not bashing, I'm just trying to help you improve your art. 3nodding ahahaha! you shoulda heard me. i took one look at that and went "wtf? is it supposed to have a ginormous skull??" i lose. officially. i really appreciate this and don't mind in the very least. it's very helpful actually! it points out visually what's wrong with it and, yeh know, kinda solidifies the advice, instead of it coming out all nitpicky and the like. P: thanks very much. *toddles off to redo sketch*
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:08 pm
i'm sorry if i got uptight with the lot of yeh. usually when i get critiques from my teachers, they tend to include a lot of good points to kinda balance out the bad ones. yeh know, i guess to keep from discouraging me. which worked. i guess since i didn't get very many "good points" from people on this, it got really discouraging at first and i responded before letting your advice sink in. compliments don't hurt, y'know. and by compliments i don't mean ego-stroking.
i apologize for being a total n00b. :
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Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:11 pm
Dr. Valentine Paper Nefertiti Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time you guys took to crit it, but quite frankly i didn't expect to get so bashed. :/ In that case you won't want to hear what I was preparing to say. i can take a critique; 90% bashing i can't.
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:42 pm
Paper Nefertiti Page Boy Paper Nefertiti The scribble was on purpose. That's the way i paint IRL. Mostly oils but that's beside the point. But the suggestion of varying brush sizes was helpful; i'll take it in consideration next time. though my experience with oil is limited, i'm sure that this style looks better in oil, since every movement of the hand changes the shape of the brushstroke. A computer will keep it uniform unless you ask it to do other wise. sooo...just remember you can't always treat different media the same way. aside from varying brush sizes by manually changing the size...if you use a tablet that has pressure sensitivity, try it. you'l be able to make lines that taper which will help. Particulary on the hair, the blunt shape of the highlights and shadow really clashes with the refined form and makes it look flat. it has pressure sensitivity, but more often than not it doesn't wanna work. i'm still trying to figure out how the hell that happens. i suppose i shouldn't have gotten so uptight. i got more excited over trying a new coloring style than how the picture as a whole came out. *thumps head* If your pressure sensitivity is on the fritz, try downloading the correct driver for your tablet, uninstalling your current one, and installing the new one. That's how I fixed mine after it stopped working for a few months.
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 10:03 pm
Quote: I won't say I didn't get offended by people saying i don't know anatomy, because quite frankly, i did. I DO happen to know anatomy a fairly good amount, thank you very much. Please don't insult our intelligence by saying that our crits are fundamentally incorrect. Why did you post that you wanted crit, if you were going to say, BUT U GUYS, I AM A GOOD ARTIST RLY I AM. I DO TOO KNOW ANAOTMONY I DO TOO Yor fingers look like a bundle of sticks. Step 1. Take your hand and shape it into the position you want that guy's hand to be in. Step 2. Draw it. I'm not trying to be mean, you've got some balls to post art of that quality, then tell us that you know anatomy when you really don't. Most of us still have troubles with anatomy, but at least we know when to admit our shortcomings and then start practicing.
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